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B-but Craig Federighi said sideloading baaaaaaad! 🥴
And in some ways, it is. This is an empirical statement -- not a speculation; you need only read a few of the articles on Android malware to see the obvious downsides of sideloading.

The real question is not whether or not it's bad... it's whether or not enabling sideloading would be worse than what we have now. It will certainly introduce the possibility of sideloaded malware and spyware that would never have made it into Apple's walled garden -- but in theory, it would probably also reduce the chances that malware purveyors even bother to try to enter by way of the garden gates... so users can be warned that they're putting themselves at risk by leaving the garden themselves. Maybe.

Interestingly, it occurs to me that sideloading would also impact the entire iOS "jailbreak" community, because they won't have to find ways to break through the walls, so they'll largely just redirect their attention to releasing products via sideloading. Which probably means fewer eyes seeking out iOS vulnerabilities. Is that good or bad?

So, there is some ambiguity over what a future will look like, with iOS sideloading. And with various worldwide government entities attempting to intervene and force Apple to permit sideloading... I suppose it's only a matter of time before we'll find out.
 
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Why not run emulation on steam deck instead? Genuine question, I've seen you mention emulation on several other threads, and I personally find steam deck to be wonderful.
I would love emulation on the new ATV4K3, but I doubt that will happen anytime soon.
 
The same reason any other shopping app doesn’t have to pay 30% or any percentage.

You can’t buy anything in the Kindle app and in Amazon’s app you can’t purchase any digital items.

As it says, if you don't have a card on file, it'll make you do an in app purchase instead, which would result in a 30% fee. But since Amazon doesn't support Apple Pay, practically everyone already has a card on file anyway.
 
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By the same token of Apple playing hardball here. Spotify is refusing to sell the audio book to customers making a worse experience because they don’t want to miss out on the 30% cut.
I never quite understood why Spotify doesn’t just add the 30% to their in-app prices on top of their “actual” subscription fees like every other app does?

Next to everyone I know is subscribed to some kind of service or app and we all know there’s nearly always one price when paying directly in the app and another, lower price if you jump over on the company’s own website and pay there.

The users unaware of this will pay the extra 30% that goes directly to Apple and the rest go to Spotify dot com and pay there sans Apple’s additional fees.

Spotify loses all its traction if appears more expensive over Apple Music when buying a subscription as an in-app purchase?

By now, nearly everyone who has dipped their toes into paid music steaming knows that Spotify is $9.99/month -surely most would look at a $12.99 and know it’s unusual and quickly check Spotify.com or ask google prices?
 
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Yeah I'm kind of seeing now how it feels unfair on some level for Apple to control the device/OS, and also dictate these onerous terms for users of its marketplace who want to offer services that are competitive with other services that Apple offers.
 
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I never quite understood why Spotify doesn’t just add the 30% on top of their subscription fees like every other app does?

Next to everyone I know is subscribed to some kind of service or app and we all know there’s nearly always one price when paying directly in the app and another, lower price if you jump over on the company’s own website and pay there.

The users unaware of this will pay the extra 30% that goes directly to Apple and the rest go to Spotify dot com and pay there sans Apple’s additional fees.

Spotify loses all its traction if appears more expensive over Apple Music when buying a subscription as an in-app purchase?

Yes. They have to charge a higher price in their iOS app that Apple charges to sign up for Apple Music in the Music app.
 


Apple and Spotify are once again feuding as Spotify attempts to break into the audiobook market, reports The New York Times. Apple has reportedly rejected Spotify's latest app update three times in the last month.

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Over the years, Apple and Spotify have had a long running dispute over Apple's App Store policies, with multiple public conflicts over app and subscription fees and app rejections due to Spotify's attempts to skirt the up to 30 percent cut that Apple takes from purchases.

Apple says that Spotify is again trying to get around its App Store rules, and the Cupertino company claims that Spotify's audiobooks update is not in line with guidelines that cover how apps can communicate with users about purchasing options outside of the App Store.

Apple last year agreed to an App Store rule change that allows developers to use communications like email to share information methods about payment options that are available outside of an iOS app, but Spotify is running into issues attempting to implement this feature. With the rule change, Spotify wanted to direct customers to buy books online to listen to in the app, rather than giving Apple a cut of its audiobook sales.

Apple apparently told Spotify that it can send customers emails about online purchases, but Spotify is not able to offer a button inside of the app to request emails. The feature was designed with Spotify's legal team involved, and Apple initially approved the update in September, but later reversed course, rejecting subsequent updates.

Spotify designed a nine-step process for purchasing an audiobook, which involved a customer tapping on an audiobook and seeing a screen with a lock over the play button. Pressing on the play button provided customers with a page where they could request information on how to buy a book through an email, and the email offered up a link to purchase the book.

According to The New York Times, an Apple spokesperson said that Apple does not have objections to audiobooks in the Spotify app, but Spotify cannot circumvent the rules around web addresses and language encouraging customers to make purchases outside of the app.

After the multiple rejections from Apple, Spotify released a version of the app that removes information about how to purchase an audiobook from the Spotify website, which Apple did approve. Spotify now informs users that there is no option to buy an audiobook in the app. "We know it's not ideal," says Spotify in the app text.

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Spotify in 2019 filed a regulatory complaint with the European Union over Apple's App Store practices, and it maintains an anti-Apple "Time to Play Fair" website. Spotify has continued to meet with European regulators, but the case has not concluded as of yet. Spotify has also sided with Epic Games in the Epic Games v. Apple legal battle, and it participates in the "Coalition for App Fairness" alongside Epic Games, Tile, and others who are unhappy with Apple's "anti-competitive" policies.

Article Link: Apple Rejected Spotify's App Update Adding Audiobook Support
Spotify u use apples business premises to distribute ur content. So Apple has the right to a share of ur income. It’s like if u sell ur products on someone’s shop so u also have to give the shop owner a cut
 
I never quite understood why Spotify doesn’t just add the 30% on top of their subscription fees like every other app does?

Because Apple Music would become much more attractive, nobody would pay 30% more to listen to the same music. 30% does not apply to Apple and that’s anticompetitive.

Regarding other Apps that adds 30% on top, yes they do and it kinda works out, but just because Apple is not trying to compete in that App/Game category, otherwise Apple would have an anticompetitive advantage in that App category, too.
 
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Not sure why any artist would be on Spotify with their crappy streaming payout rates, but that is just me.

This is simple, more platforms = better payouts. It is not like they have to stick to just one streaming platform.
 
Spotify u use apples business premises to distribute ur content. So Apple has the right to a share of ur income. It’s like if u sell ur products on someone’s shop so u also have to give the shop owner a cut


Fair enough.

As long as Apple accepts that they distribute their products services in the EU and the European Commission have the right to ban their business practices as do any other government where Apple trade.
 
I'm no fan of Spotify the company (although I love their service). This rejection shouldn't be possible. It's time to loosen Apple's iron grip on its own platform and make free installation of apps a reality.
I agree. I'm annoyed because Apple won't allow game streaming apps onto the App Store, unless each game is installed individually. WTF?
The iPad, iPhone, and M1 Macs+nVidia GeForce Now (or XBox Live) would be an amazing, seamless experience device to device, but NO. Apple doesn't want them in their store. Whatever. The stupid "put web app on home screen" isn't a good experience, IMO.
 

Streaming Royalties aren't paid on a per stream basis these kind of numbers are so misleading they are basically worthless, that article is also from 2019, contracts have been renegotiated since then.

Apple's claims don't really stack up.




 
Spotify u use apples business premises to distribute ur content. So Apple has the right to a share of ur income. It’s like if u sell ur products on someone’s shop so u also have to give the shop owner a cut

Not quite. Spotify is cross-platform and is very well known without any effort from Apple. Spotify’s iOS app is just a convenient “window” and simplifies its use for people with Apple devices. Apple does not store Spotify files on their servers and does not develop the app either. Hypothetically, Spotify users could also use its web-based player in Safari, it is just not as convenient as a dedicated app.
 
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