Apple released a very expensive brick!

[Antairez]

Huh, I don't remember voting on the person who gets to decide which working scenarios are "valid" and which aren't, but it's certainly an honor and a privilege to finally meet the one person in the world who has unquestioned authority to determine whether a given use case could ever be valid or useful to anyone, no matter what fields they work in.

Just because you are trying to make up examples on why professionals need sitting ducks VMs (again, if they are using any processing power, you will run out of CPU before you run out of RAM, google bottleneck) doesn't make your fake market needs real. Apple doesn't assume anything like you guys did, they tested it and they concluded not having 32GB of RAM is acceptable. Don't believe Apple? Bring on your working scenario and let's discuss why it isn't as efficient as it should be, don't be butt hurt just because you failed to name one.

 

[Bryan Bowler]

That's not how RAM works, just because your system keeps 32GB of some exact copy of data on your drive doesn't mean it is faster than a 16GB machine. You only see a difference when a cache miss happens and you spend precious time waiting on the IO. Some programs have ****** algorithms so they don't know what to cache and what not to cache so they cache everything. Remember, just because a program uses more RAM doesn't mean it will run faster.

Thanks and I appreciate that you're up-to-speed/smart on the finer details of how RAM works. As for me though, I'm quite aware of my own needs and I could absolutely use 32 GB of RAM in a MBP. For two years, I've had 32 GB of RAM in my iMac and I utilize it when I'm back at home station working on my assignments.

I'm waiting and I look forward to the day that Apple can utilize LPDDR4 in their laptops.

 

[Howard2k]

Just because you are trying to make up examples on why professionals need sitting ducks VMs (again, if they are using any processing power, you will run out of CPU before you run out of RAM, google bottleneck) doesn't make your fake market needs real. Apple doesn't assume anything like you guys did, they tested it and they concluded not having 32GB of RAM is acceptable. Don't believe Apple? Bring on your working scenario and let's discuss why it isn't as efficient as it should be, don't be butt hurt just because you failed to name one.

I might be misunderstanding, but are you saying that it's impossible for a MBPro to use more than 16GB of RAM? So anyone who ever bought a 32GB RAM model wasted their money on the extra 16GB because it's impossible to use?

 

[Antairez]

I might be misunderstanding, but are you saying that it's impossible for a MBPro to use more than 16GB of RAM? So anyone who ever bought a 32GB RAM model wasted their money on the extra 16GB because it's impossible to use?

Yes you are very well misunderstanding any of this. MacBook Pro can use 32GB of RAM, it will not give significant performance boost to majority of the users out there, and when you are actually using 32GB of RAM, your bottleneck lies elsewhere. Just do me a favor and google bottleneck in computer science and try to understand why on earth if I give your terabytes of RAM it will not make your machine faster. That's just not how a computer work. For the workflow this laptop was designed for, 16GB is more than enough for many users, and Apple specifically stated why they couldn't afford a memory controller that supports 32GB because battery life benefits all customers, while 32GB don't.

 

[Howard2k]

Yes you are very well misunderstanding any of this. MacBook Pro can use 32GB of RAM, it will not give significant performance boost to majority of the users out there, and when you are actually using 32GB of RAM, your bottleneck lies elsewhere. Just do me a favor and google bottleneck in computer science and try to understand why on earth if I give your terabytes of RAM it will not make your machine faster. That's just not how a computer work. For the workflow this laptop was designed for, 16GB is more than enough for many users, and Apple specifically stated why they couldn't afford a memory controller that supports 32GB because battery life benefits all customers, while 32GB don't.

Let me help you, because you're talking yourself into a circle.

Can the MBPro use >16GB of RAM? Yes it can.
Do most users need >16GB of RAM? No they do not.

These are the bits of your post that make sense:

MacBook Pro can use 32GB of RAM

not give significant performance boost to majority of the users

more than enough for many users

And in the context of my question, which you tried to answer but did not:

are you saying that it's impossible for a MBPro to use more than 16GB of RAM? So anyone who ever bought a 32GB RAM model wasted their money on the extra 16GB because it's impossible to use?

Your answer then should be:

No, it's not impossible to use, so not it's not a waste for money for those that need the memory, and no you're not misunderstanding my question.

 

[Antairez]

Let me help you, because you're talking yourself into a circle.

Can the MBPro use >16GB of RAM? Yes it can.
Do most users need >16GB of RAM? No they do not.

These are the bits of your post that make sense:




And in the context of my question, which you tried to answer but did not:



Your answer then should be:

No, it's not impossible to use, so not it's not a waste for money for those that need the memory, and no you're not misunderstanding my question.

I answered your "I might be misunderstanding" part, that's it. And I explained to you why that's the case.

 

[sparkie7]

I need 32GB of RAM! -- that's all the matters!

 

[Howard2k]

I answered your "I might be misunderstanding" part, that's it. And I explained to you why that's the case.

Right. Except that I'm not. I'm understand the parts that you got right and understand the parts that you got wrong. You're inferring that due to CPU bottleneck the 32GB cannot be used. That's very obviously incorrect.

 

[Antairez]

I need 32GB of RAM! -- that's all the matters!

Many Windows machines satisfy that constraint.

Right. Except that I'm not. I'm understand the parts that you got right and understand the parts that you got wrong. You're inferring that due to CPU bottleneck the 32GB cannot be used. That's very obviously incorrect.

Bottlenecking doesn't mean 32GB cannot be used, it simply means you are not utilizing the full potential of 32GB. You need to google bottleneck.

 

[Howard2k]

Many Windows machines satisfy that constraint.


Bottlenecking doesn't mean 32GB cannot be used, it simply means you are not utilizing the full potential of 32GB. You need to google bottleneck.

It's cool. I think English isn't your first language. Let's just agree to disagree and agree that I'm right.

 

[Bryan Bowler]

Many Windows machines satisfy that constraint.


Bottlenecking doesn't mean 32GB cannot be used, it simply means you are not utilizing the full potential of 32GB. You need to google bottleneck.

You need to get off the high horse and quit telling people what they do and don't need. Some people can utilize 32 GB of RAM. You may not, but others do.

 

[Antairez]

You need to get off the high horse and quit telling people what they do and don't need.

And how is forcing Apple utilizing 32GB memory controller so everyone else suffer from battery life not on a high horse? You people need to get hired by Apple and start working for the next wow machine.

 

[Bryan Bowler]

And how is forcing Apple utilizing 32GB memory controller so everyone else suffer from battery life not on a high horse? You people need to get hired by Apple and start working for the next wow machine.

Why do have such a short attention span? I've clearly stated, many times over, that Apple would have to wait until LPDDR4 is supported until they can even think about offering a 32 GB option. And I'm happily waiting too. To expect Apple to do anything differently is completely unrealistic.

You've been completely fired up about nothing and you're going in circles here.

 

[AdonisSMU]

Many Windows machines satisfy that constraint.


Bottlenecking doesn't mean 32GB cannot be used, it simply means you are not utilizing the full potential of 32GB. You need to google bottleneck.

You are so awesome!!! This is a great post.

 

[Antairez]

Why do have such a short attention span? I've clearly stated, many times over, that Apple would have to wait until LPDDR4 is supported until they can even think about offering a 32 GB option. And I'm happily waiting too. To expect Apple to do anything differently is completely unrealistic.

You've been completely fired up about nothing and you're going in circles here.

Just explaining why not having a 32GB RAM is not a big deal, don't understand why that looks like a high horse to you.

 

[sparkie7]

Many Windows machines satisfy that constraint.

Yuck. Who wants to touch a PC, let alone stick their dongle into one?

 

[Bryan Bowler]

Just explaining why not having a 32GB RAM is not a big deal, don't understand why that looks like a high horse to you.

And here we go in circles again. I'm glad that 16 GBs fits your needs. If Apple could have offered 32 GB, it would have been great for my needs. End of story. Talk to the wall if you want to continue deciding what others need.

 

[Antairez]

And here we go in circles again. I'm glad that 16 GBs fits your needs. If Apple could have offered 32 GB, it would have been great for my needs. End of story. Talk to the wall if you want to continue deciding what others need.

Yes, so what's point of opening up threads? Just complaining? Clearly you don't want to understand the technical details behind Apple's compromise, I guess knowing the details hurts? Now I understand why people just give up talking to you guys. Yeah, lets just all complain. Its not like this is the first time people are complaining about Apple, now I feel dumb trying to explain it, I guess you were right in the first place. Some people just want to complain.

 

[Bryan Bowler]

Yes, so what's point of opening up threads? Just complaining? Clearly you don't want to understand the technical details behind Apple's compromise, I guess knowing the details hurts? Now I understand why people just give up talking to you guys. Yeah, lets just all complain. Its not like this is the first time people are complaining about Apple, now I feel dumb trying to explain it, I guess you were right in the first place. Some people just want to complain.

i guess you are incapable of conversation because you clearly can't remember anything from one moment to the next. I've clearly and articulatey stated why Apple did not (and cannot) offer 32 GB at this time. But you can't seem to remember that because you're just looking to pick a fight with anyone that tries to talk to you.

Later.

 

[Antairez]

i guess you are incapable of conversation because you clearly can't remember anything from one moment to the next. I've clearly and articulatey stated why Apple did not (and cannot) offer 32 GB at this time. But you can't seem to remember that because you're just looking to pick a fight with anyone that tries to talk to you.

Later.

You told me to get off my high horse? Who has problem keeping up conversations?

Later.