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Such complaining. This is a great machine for those that would want a 17" notebook. Find something else to do with your time.
 
The non replaceble battery is crap. Apple is going more form over funtion every day. Apple is going to do this to all of there laptops soon. I think it is crap and doing so will only cost them sells not gain them any.
 
What is so PRO on this machine ???

I am a graphic artist working on a Mac Pro and Mac Book Pro. It would be very helpful if apple allows me to customize my computer. I would need something for the road where I still can utilize a 3d graphic card and quad core power.

I mean, how come that Dell offers a Precision Workstation M6400 that can

•*Multiple HDDs, including RAID
•*Graphic Cards for 3d artists (or even motion graphic)
• 16GB Ram

Come on. Don't put PRO on your gear if you offer a semi pro equipment.

I love the design and everything but as a PRO i need the latest graphic and render power possible if I am on the road. At the shop I have a mac pro. But what's on the road of off- location?

It's take it or leave it from apple. No other option? I have no problem paying 6k+ for gear. It's a tax write off anyway for businesses.
 
I'd like to see the inside of the machine, can't help thinking that there's lots of room that could have been put to better use - especially on a laptop as overpriced as this.
 
The new battery is a LiPo. Not a Li-ion. There is a big difference. LiPo's have better performance and longer lasting battery life than Li-ions. All of Apples notebooks use LiPo's, and most other manufacturers that dont use NiCd are still using the old cheap Li-ion.

(LiPo's are also more volatile...:eek: but I think its good)
 
The new battery is a LiPo. Not a Li-ion. There is a big difference. LiPo's have better performance and longer lasting battery life than Li-ions. All of Apples notebooks use LiPo's, and most other manufacturers that dont use NiCd are still using the old cheap Li-ion.

(LiPo's are also more volatile...:eek: but I think its good)

Well there you go. You can remove this LiPo battery by suction! :D
 
at $3000 they should have been offering an optional second hdd or a blue ray drive, they have no more excuses they had for the lower machine, this is a pro machine for god's sake in 2009 and they think they can get away with a 320 gb hd? When this is supposed to be a desktop replacement for gods sake? In these hard time someone's gonna shell out 3000 of his hard earned cash to get a slot loading dvd f.cker that's been around for years and can burn a meagre 4.3 gbs, and no option, forget blueray, we know why you don't want it, you dont want any money escaping these days that you ve become a gargantuan monster :apple: . Because you were on of the first tec companies IN SUPPORT of the blue ray format, but that was before the itunes avalanche, now anyone want to buy anything it's going to have to pass through itunes, film too, itunes, hence no blue ray, it doesn't take a genius to figure this out, that they d rather have you getting their version from itunes and on you your :apple:tv instead of your blueray player.....but enough's enough....at least offer a got damn option for a second hdd, or, better an ssd for the system and an hdd, that's what a pro system is about these days, that's what being in the forefront of innovation means, not using years old tired configurations and asking for premium $. UNACCEPTABLE.:mad:

It's obvious to anyone with an open mind that apple has started to slip and slip a lot, I don't know if it's steves health or the iphone and trying two growth sectors, but they are making so many bad choices that they haven't paid for yet but they will soon. Sad to see this. :eek:

I think it is laughable to see so many "pros" on here whining about not having enough hard drive space or the need for two hard drives. Anyone worth their own salt knows that pros use external hard drives. It isn't an issue. It would be nice, but if you are using it as a desktop replacement, as you said, then you would have no problem keeping a small external hard drive at hand.

Will people ever stop complaining?
 
Less frustrating than chucking the standard fit 320gig drive in the bin after paying a premium too.

Great advice btw

I never chuck my old drives. I trickle them down to my wife and kids. I guess in the end I am left with a small drive, but then I pop it into an external enclosure!
After paying $3k for this laptop, I wouldn't worry about the price premium on the internal drive.... :)
 
It'll be nice to read through this forum post once all the non-apple owning newbies have finished spewing their anti-apple propaganda carping on about the great Dell they're about to buy - well go then, F*ck off and buy it, and leave us mac users alone...OK!

Talk about trying to p*ss on someone's parade.

:rolleyes: Definition of a fan boy enough? Maybe the "p***ing in your corn flakes this morning" are geunine Mac users who thinks Apple's lost its way.

I wouldn't put a majority of the negative posts here on alleged newbies and non-owners.
 
Also, since the battery is non-removable, can the hard drive be easily replaced?


It does not look like it. It looks like the dis-assembly surgery like on an older macbook pro. Once you know what you are doing, it takes like 10 minutes. I have the 320GB 7200 rpm in my 2.4 GHz 15 old style.

I gotta tell ya, this new 17 is the balls! new design, 8GB of RAM!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am gonna wait a month until the machine comes down in price and then I am getting one. I hope it comes down in price.:D
 
Does anyone know how much the 17" Intel first generation MBP weigh? My friend had one and it felt pretty heavy? Their site says the new one is ~6.6 pounds and was curious as to what the old one weighed.
 
That M6400 can only offer those specs because it's significantly bigger and heavier. It's always a trade-off.

I mean, how come that Dell offers a Precision Workstation M6400 that can

•*Multiple HDDs, including RAID
•*Graphic Cards for 3d artists (or even motion graphic)
• 16GB Ram
 
How can they say it can last 5 years with 1,000 charges worth?

That means they have to had tested that battery with this macbook pro 5 years ago. :T

Exactly. It's just a bunch of scientists in a lab going: "oh, well, we estimate x number of charges for y number of years...."

Apple has been known to recall batteries before. Shipping your entire latop would just be stupid.
 
Aren't you missing the point???

This is just the build up to the main event - Job's back on stage looking healthier introducing the real 2009 'head turners' including iPhone, OSX Snole etc.

Plus, if you think back to yesterday Job's even gave you a schedule for this... Sometime around the end of this quarter when he's had time to bulk back up!

This could be the greatest 'third act' comeback in Job's Apple history :)

interesting thought

hey every one don't dump your negativity on the Mac book pro i know that we don't like the fact that he spent 90 percent of his time telling us that iphoto would soon be in satellites searching for criminals but the mac book is very good

longer battery (all of you saying that macbook pro batteries fail and everything forget it because they are using a different technology should i be whining that i can't replace the fuel tank in my car as easily as my tires No so just wait for the battery to prove itself

support for more ram (the price will go down)

256 GB SSD (the price on this will also go down)

2.93 Ghz Processor this is the fastest processor currently made for a laptop by Intel so be patient you will get quad core

you whiners get your matte (your whining worked congrats.)

finally why don't we do more than be negative about any thing we will get our 3 Thz 2000 core processors in our ipods eventually
 
I think it is laughable to see so many "pros" on here whining about not having enough hard drive space or the need for two hard drives. Anyone worth their own salt knows that pros use external hard drives. It isn't an issue. It would be nice, but if you are using it as a desktop replacement, as you said, then you would have no problem keeping a small external hard drive at hand.

Will people ever stop complaining?

Maybe these "pros" are using apple hardware to run osx and platform specific software for whatever reason, and don't have an alternative.
Maybe they want workstation gpus and multiple cores to run their software faster, and would prefer to have multiple drives to store more and access faster - they just don't have a choice because of their software decision/needs.

On a machine that's (pretend?) marketed for working professionals, priced as such and considering the alternatives, they've got every right to question apples direction.

Maybe sacrificing a few square inches volume over the laptop would be worth it for hotswap bays that allow drives and batteries to be added as required - or maybe people just paid the price in lacking features for a design spec that didn't allow for 'ugly seams' - not sure about that, as the black strip along the back (the one that's not show on the apple site gallery?) looks bloody awful compared to the rest of the look.


I never chuck my old drives. I trickle them down to my wife and kids. I guess in the end I am left with a small drive, but then I pop it into an external enclosure!
After paying $3k for this laptop, I wouldn't worry about the price premium on the internal drive.... :)

Obviously I was exaggerating slightly, but it's still a valid price/feature point :)
 
Exactly. It's just a bunch of scientists in a lab going: "oh, well, we estimate x number of charges for y number of years...."

Apple has been known to recall batteries before. Shipping your entire latop would just be stupid.

actually this battery was probably in testing in the 1990's and now they are confident enough with it to put it on the market

although if you get new first release hardware i would get protection plan (personally would wait)
 
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