Apple Releases Aperture 2.0

[ChrisA]

Question for those familiar with Aperture and any of the PhotoShops ..... If I decide to edit the photo using photoshop, what happens to the original image when I end the photoshop editing (remove background, multiple layers for masking etc) and in what format are the results imported back into Aperture?

If you go the automated route and launch PS from within Aperture. Aperture makes a temp file with your image in it in PSD, TIFF or some other format. Inside PS you do "save" and PS overwrite the temp file and quites the Aperture grabs control of the file and saves it as a "version" of the image. Did I ge that right. You can customize the details to some extent too. The thing is that you don't see the image file unless you go looking.

iPhoto works about the same way. There is a preference called "external image editor". You tell it what program to use and iPhoto makes it mostly transparent. Aperture is about the same.

 

[Jonx]

new update on software update

iLife Support v8.2 2.7 MB


This update supports system software components shared by all iLife ’08 applications to improve their stability and performance. This update also supports important bug fixes for Aperture 2.0.

 

[robbieduncan]

Well, I'll be buying the upgrade version at discount (employee purchase program where I work). I'm hoping to around £65...

It's up on our EPP store this morning. £107 for the full version (nice) but the upgrade is full price. Fortunately that's £65 which is what I was looking for anyway...

 

[EagerDragon]

Actually, Ariel had it correct. Within Aperture, you can set what file type (PSD, TIFF, etc.) is sent to Photoshop for editing. So, in Aperture, you select an image to send to Photoshop, and when you send that image, Aperture first creates a version (copy) of the image and then sends that copy to Photoshop. Once you save the image in Photoshop after editing it, the copy (that still resides in Aperture) is updated to reflect the changes. You do not edit the original (master) file. The master file remains safe within Aperture so if anything disastrous happens, you can always reclaim the original photograph.

Thanks all that responded. I was afraid that the original image would be replaced by the photoshop edited version. But apparently I end up with two images, the original in RAW form plus a set of instructions for any Aperture edits/changes, and the PhotoShop version (no undo capability on this one).

Too bad Aperture does not have the ability to undo/peel back changes made in photoshop. But heck what else could I ask, LOL.

Thanks a bunch guys.

 

[randomlinh]

I wanted to add that "checker" they have is just to see if you can run Aperture, doesn't really say anything about if you can upgrade or not (to those trying to figure out if the educational version is upgradeable... would be nice if this time around it was...)

 

[EwanP]

My brother just bought Aperture 2 in the UK, using the educational discount (through the university network) - for a sweet 55 pounds!!!! And they assured him it is the full version, upgradeable etc.

 

[Project]

My brother just bought Aperture 2 in the UK, using the educational discount (through the university network) - for a sweet 55 pounds!!!! And they assured him it is the full version, upgradeable etc.

Blimey. I'm heading over to uni right now.

 

[ariel]

My brother just bought Aperture 2 in the UK, using the educational discount (through the university network) - for a sweet 55 pounds!!!! And they assured him it is the full version, upgradeable etc.

I sure wouldn't count on 'upgradeable' - the 1.0 licenses aren't

 

[bobbleheadbob]

Aperture 2.0 on Amazon

Amazon has the new Aperture available for $190. Ships starting on Friday. I went ahead and ordered it. No sales tax and the $10 off made my decision a little easier. Thanks for the replies.

 

[Mike Teezie]

I downloaded the demo to check out the new bookmaking features. I need something like that badly in my album design workflow. Hopefully Aperture can help me out!

Also, I finally have a machine beefy enough to handle Aperture properly - my last Dual G5 Powermac struggled with it.

Off to play with it now.....

 

[lloydh]

My brother just bought Aperture 2 in the UK, using the educational discount (through the university network) - for a sweet 55 pounds!!!! And they assured him it is the full version, upgradeable etc.

If that's true then I'm getting it through uni too! The serial's on the box so hopefully Apple just send you a standard box and it is the same.

I have a friend who I think can get it through their affiliate employee discount if not.

 

[ariel]

If that's true then I'm getting it through uni too! The serial's on the box so hopefully Apple just send you a standard box and it is the same.

I have a friend who I think can get it through their affiliate employee discount if not.

Just FYI

I bought the academic version of Aperture when it came out (1.0 version) - yesterday i bought the non-academic upgrade serial number - i found out for sure that the upgrade won't work.

i'm off to call Apple...

anyone want an upgrade serial number cheap?

 

[ralfyx]

is there a way to create a Web Gallery without an .Mac account ?

 

[robbieduncan]

is there a way to create a Web Gallery without an .Mac account ?

The old Web galleries are still there: you can export them to a folder and upload via your favourite FTP client but you won't get all the cool .Mac gallery features like downloadable zip files, downloadable master images or password protection...

 

[GavinT]

I currently use Lightroom (1.3) (I wasn't that impressed by Aperture 1.0 when it came out).
However, Aperture 2 looks rather funky, and as it's Apple, seems a lot better integrated with iLife/iWork compared with Lightroom.

At the moment, I going through sorting out my library of images. Some are old JPGS (some of which will be rescanned from the original negatives), some are RAWS.
All my recent photos (RAWS) have already been 'sorted' out, so that's tagged with metadata, cropped and post processed as necessary.
My main photo library is on an external drive, which I tell my Lightroom setup to reference, rather than make copies of. Changes I make are written to 'sidecar' files, thus maintaining the original RAW files (or JPGS/TIFFS in the case of older stuff).

So, if I was to want to go to Aperture instead, how on earth could I do that!!??
I COULD export everything, as a DNG say or a TIFF, or something that's lossless. Then I'd import that into Aperature and work from there. However, I'd effectively be stamping over the original photos with my edits. Something I've discovered I don't want to do (I wrecked a bunch of my earlier JPGS I took when I first got my digital camera).
I COULD just use the existing files I have, and loose all my changes. However, that's a least two years worth of editing, which I wouldn't have time to sort out again (I've got enough of a backlog as it is!).

So, can Aperture import stuff from these sidecar files??

 

[EwanP]

I sure wouldn't count on 'upgradeable' - the 1.0 licenses aren't

Apparently there is no educational version for 2.0 - just an educational price (this said by apple sales dude over the phone). Will wait to see what my bro says when he receives the box though

 

[sterlingindigo]

There was a pretty good side by side comparison in a dual article. One guy was an Aperture user the other a Lightroom user and they tried the other camp's application and gave very honest reviews. Each app had it's own strengths and weaknesses and seem to come out about equal:

http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/2007/03/05/aperture-vs-lightoom.html

Thanks! Good article.

 

[neutrino23]

I currently use Lightroom (1.3)...

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So, can Aperture import stuff from these sidecar files??

I'm not an Aperture user but I did sit through an Aperture class at MWSF. Aperture can work with external libraries (such as files on DVDs) of RAW files while keeping jpgs on the main hard drive.

I think you'll need to contact an Apple support person to find out about importing the edits you have already performed. I'm not hopeful. Try contacting an Apple store if you live near one and see if they are having any kind of Aperture training in the near future. The trainer should be able to answer that kind of question. Our local store sometimes does this for various products.

 

[NotChemist]

I'm not an Aperture user but I did sit through an Aperture class at MWSF. Aperture can work with external libraries (such as files on DVDs) of RAW files while keeping jpgs on the main hard drive.

I think you'll need to contact an Apple support person to find out about importing the edits you have already performed. I'm not hopeful. Try contacting an Apple store if you live near one and see if they are having any kind of Aperture training in the near future. The trainer should be able to answer that kind of question. Our local store sometimes does this for various products.

Lightroom edits will not transfer. The instructions for edits are stored in a format that ACR and LR understand, but Aperture will not be able to use them because they are proprietary to Adobe. Metadata is another issue; in theory, Aperture should have no problem ingesting the IPTC information contained in XMP metadata in sidecars or DNG headers. Unfortunately, despite the fact that Aperture can export IPTC in XMP, it can't import this information from sidecars. Importing IPTC contained within DNG headers currently "sort of" works, though some fields aren't transferred. This didn't happen at all in Aperture 1.5, so I guess one could call it an "improvement," though I wouldn't do that if Apple were listening, because the current behavior still needs work to be satisfactory.

 

[randomlinh]

Lightroom edits will not transfer. The instructions for edits are stored in a format that ACR and LR understand, but Aperture will not be able to use them because they are proprietary to Adobe. Metadata is another issue; in theory, Aperture should have no problem ingesting the IPTC information contained in XMP metadata in sidecars or DNG headers. Unfortunately, despite the fact that Aperture can export IPTC in XMP, it can't import this information from sidecars. Importing IPTC contained within DNG headers currently "sort of" works, though some fields aren't transferred. This didn't happen at all in Aperture 1.5, so I guess one could call it an "improvement," though I wouldn't do that if Apple were listening, because the current behavior still needs work to be satisfactory.

Wow, if it can't import sidecars w/ IPTC info... I'm very disappointed. I have a small bit in Lightroom after trying it out for a couple of months. I'm torn on whether I should switch completely now. The improvements in speed/UI are promising, and I love OS X. But blast my iMac... and a Mac Pro is too expensive, and I don't want to rely on a hackintosh.. sigh.

but back to the point, anyone else have issues w/ IPTC sidecar importing (specifically from LR) and Aperture 2?

 

[ifonline]

Wow, if it can't import sidecars w/ IPTC info... I'm very disappointed. I have a small bit in Lightroom after trying it out for a couple of months. I'm torn on whether I should switch completely now. The improvements in speed/UI are promising, and I love OS X. But blast my iMac... and a Mac Pro is too expensive, and I don't want to rely on a hackintosh.. sigh.

but back to the point, anyone else have issues w/ IPTC sidecar importing (specifically from LR) and Aperture 2?

I can feel your pain with regards to IPTC from Lightroom to Aperture, but if I end up purchasing Aperture, I intend to start over with importing my images. Granted, my collection of RAW images is not huge (several thousand files), but I don't mind starting fresh to avoid pitfalls with trying to convert from Lightroom to Aperture.

 

[Phil A.]

Has anyone in the UK managed to purchase the Serial Number only option? I can't find it anywhere on the UK store and if you select it from the page that Aperture opens when you click buy, it just takes you to the US store (even after you select UK in the country drop down)
I've been waiting over 24 hours to try and buy a serial number in the UK and I can't believe Apple have made it a) so difficult to find and b) a complete mess when buying from the product!

 

[randomlinh]

I can feel your pain with regards to IPTC from Lightroom to Aperture, but if I end up purchasing Aperture, I intend to start over with importing my images. Granted, my collection of RAW images is not huge (several thousand files), but I don't mind starting fresh to avoid pitfalls with trying to convert from Lightroom to Aperture.

I spend a lot of time tagging images... I don't really care about the edits, since I can go back and just do them when needed. But I index everything so it's searchable later. I don't want to have to redo that. Of course, I only have maybe 500 or so pictures relative to my aperture library, but it's more of a principle matter, especially for those that might have more.

 

[maestrokev]

Lightroom edits will not transfer. The instructions for edits are stored in a format that ACR and LR understand, but Aperture will not be able to use them because they are proprietary to Adobe. Metadata is another issue; in theory, Aperture should have no problem ingesting the IPTC information contained in XMP metadata in sidecars or DNG headers. Unfortunately, despite the fact that Aperture can export IPTC in XMP, it can't import this information from sidecars. Importing IPTC contained within DNG headers currently "sort of" works, though some fields aren't transferred. This didn't happen at all in Aperture 1.5, so I guess one could call it an "improvement," though I wouldn't do that if Apple were listening, because the current behavior still needs work to be satisfactory.

I'm not surprised the editing instructions created in LR don't transfer over to give you a close replica in Aperture. LR had that problem for a long time until a RawShooter migration tool came over and even then it was a hit or miss. In the end I had to redo all 10,000+ RAW images I had and I wouldn't want to do that again even with the speed of LR. This is going to be a problem for any serious photographer who has more than a few thousand RAW images as who wants to redo all their editing again. Both LR and Aperture are new apps with no track history - fortunately if you commit to LR then you can always transfer edits to Adobe PS/Camera Raw.

Not being able to import IPTC and XMP metadata which has become a standard with photographers is a huge problem. Despite Apple's claims of pro photographers loving Aperture I can't see this happening if any pro needs to share files with others. Only wedding photographers who live in an isolated world would be content, news and stock photographers need compatibility with IPTC.

 

[mafu]

I've managed to get an upgrade activation key into the UK basket with the following link.
http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore?noji=yes&partNumber=D4460

But it says it will take 8 days to ship!!