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OK, please excuse my ignorance as this is probably too basic a question and may have been answered already elsewhere, but what are the main differences between Aperture 2.0 and iPhoto '08 that would make it worth the extra $200 to buy? Thanks.

If you're asking that question, you probably don't need it. Aperture is the Pro app, it's like Final Cut VS iMovie.
 
If you're asking that question, you probably don't need it. Aperture is the Pro app, it's like Final Cut VS iMovie.

Actually, I'm pretty sure already that I don't NEED it. I'm more wondering what the different, specific features are from iPhoto that would make me WANT it...or maybe more accurately make me want to get it for my wife....she's the photographer. :)
 
I take it you own a $10 million house, a $2 million car, and you're too busy to visit forums like this.

oh wait... hmmm, dang, I never thought about this, but real people actually take into account their needs and the cost of the things that provide those needs. Yeah, funny that, huh? and from that perspective, If i can get a 24" computer with 4 GB of RAM, a 256 MB video card, and a 2.4 GHz dual processor chip in it, I don't see why I need to spend another 2 grand on a cinema display and 6 more cores.

the cost/benefit ratio drops dramatically. Hence, it is called overkill for the home user--not for the hardcore home movie/photo/graphics enthusiast.

and even if that weren't the case, who made you the god that decides that a machine pre-empting you is too fast? That sounds like a useful convenience to me. Not anymore overkill than having a machine that can do everything I never do in 0 seconds.


Well I guess if you have the money to blow nothing is overkill now is it?
 
Well I guess if you have the money to blow nothing is overkill now is it?

I would argue you actually have to use something for the cost/benefit ratio of that something to go down. If I have infinite money and buy 6 houses and forget about one, then I'm just being wasteful--overkill. There are better things to do with your money (when you have enough to "blow") than spend it on things you don't need. Like giving to [insert charitable organization here].
 
Actually, I'm pretty sure already that I don't NEED it. I'm more wondering what the different, specific features are from iPhoto that would make me WANT it...or maybe more accurately make me want to get it for my wife....she's the photographer. :)

The latest iPhoto looks quite impressive, and it has a lot of the correction/adjustment features you would probably commonly use in Aperture--like brightness/contrast, crop, straighten, etc.

Aperture has a lot more advance correction features, and is also geared towards working with RAW images. It seems to just put more advanced things more at your fingertips, whereas iPhoto puts the easy stuff at your fingertips. They are both really cool Applications.

So, how into photography is your wife? I would think unless she's got a digital SLR that Aperture is probably unnecessary.
 
Got this from an email this morning

Apple is pleased to announce the release of Aperture 2. This major upgrade
delivers over 100 dramatic new features, including advanced image processing,
a streamlined interface, faster performance, unprecedented Mac integration,
and more.
 
And I do own photoshop, and I do have a 160 MB photoshop file.

I did some work experience with a pro photographer who had a Mac Pro (don't know which model) with 8GB of RAM and he was frequently waiting for his system to catch up when adjusting images.

To add some sense of perspective, he often ended up with multi-gigabyte PSDs. How? Well when you're combining a few exposures from your 48MP hasselblad you'll begin to understand.

An area where I can really see the Mac Pro's horsepower being used is when batch processing your finished photos to hand them off to clients as JPEGs / TIFFs.
 
Actually, I'm pretty sure already that I don't NEED it. I'm more wondering what the different, specific features are from iPhoto that would make me WANT it...or maybe more accurately make me want to get it for my wife....she's the photographer. :)

Non-destructive editing. To my knowlegde only LightRoom and Aperture are able to do it. Everything else Aperture does, other tools do.
 
Guess you never used Photoshop. Or never use it for large files. Or don't mind spending 3-4x as long to do things. Fact is even at home my Mac Pro takes longer to do some things than I'd like. My friends iMac (new 20") is frustratingly slow at times to do things that are nearly instant on the Mac Pro.

Perhaps the most naive signature I've ever seen. Sounds more like envy than anything else.

You're telling me. Having that 20" iMac, I am as disappointed in it as I was impressed when I got my B&W G3. I've tried to like it but I just don't. Anyway, I must have hit return before I finished by previous post, you photoshop guys and other users of professional apps need that extra power.
 
The MacPro is the only Mac you can put more than 1T of internal storage. It's the only mac you can put more than 4 gigs of ram. It's the only Mac you can hook up two external monitors. Just because you don't need it, doesn't mean I don't need it. BTW, I use one at work and one at home. I am probably not a professional in the sense you mean it.
 
The latest iPhoto looks quite impressive, and it has a lot of the correction/adjustment features you would probably commonly use in Aperture--like brightness/contrast, crop, straighten, etc.

Aperture has a lot more advance correction features, and is also geared towards working with RAW images. It seems to just put more advanced things more at your fingertips, whereas iPhoto puts the easy stuff at your fingertips. They are both really cool Applications.

So, how into photography is your wife? I would think unless she's got a digital SLR that Aperture is probably unnecessary.

Right now she has a Canon Rebel. I'll probably be getting her a Canon 40D sometime soon and either keep the Rebel for myself or eBay it.
 
Please re-read my post now that I had a chance to go back and fix it. Look, some of us can't afford three grand for a MP but are well above and beyond what an iMac, the only step down can do. That's what my signature is about. You guys need and have apps that can extra power and have the budget to afford the extra price. Those of us on the power end of the old PowerMac spectrum don't.
 
Not true. All of the cameras for which "OS-level" support was added in 10.5.2 still don't work in Aperture 1.5.x (despite Preview and iPhoto being able to decode the images). So unless they decide to push out a final 1.5.7 point release, owners of the D3/D300 and the other newly added cameras will have to either upgrade to 2.0 or move to Lightroom or another converter.

That sucks, but it is worth pointing out that Apple is not alone in that behavior. Newer versions of Camera Raw do not work with Photoshop CS2, for example. The problem is that camera technology is moving at a much faster pace than image processing technology. By the time a processing software company such as Apple, Adobe, or CaptureOne releases an update, they're already behind the curve again because Canon, Nikon, Sony, etc have all released new products.
 
Right now she has a Canon Rebel. I'll probably be getting her a Canon 40D sometime soon and either keep the Rebel for myself or eBay it.

Wow, you're wife is lucky.

I have the Rebel right now and I just tried Aperture. For some reason, my Canon raw files show up with a pretty nasty yellow tinge. You might want to have your wife try it out first.
 
What's sad is having to pay to gain support for cameras that have been out for months. :mad:

I probably would have updated, but this tactical delay by marketing to gain some extras sales has has a different effect. I am not going to look into lightroom! How is that Steve?:cool:

I'm assuming you paid for Aperture 1.5 then? Just give Steve the one finger salute and say hello to Juarez.
 
Aperture 2.0 looks like it will be a great update, although it wasn't easy to find the trial version (the link from Aperture 2 on the UK site started downloading the 1.5 trial!), and it isn't even possible to buy it yet outside the US and Canada.
It all seems a bit disjointed and not what I've come to expect from Apple. Not only does a link labeled as version 2.0 download 1.5, buying it is all over the place too: When you finally manage to download the trial and start it up you get a dialog box with one of the options being "buy now". If you click on that, it takes you to the US Aperture 2 purchase page. However, when you change country to other than USA or Canada, the purchase page changes to 1.5.6! Come on, Apple - I want to give you some more money; please let me buy this upgrade in the UK :)
 
Right now she has a Canon Rebel. I'll probably be getting her a Canon 40D sometime soon and either keep the Rebel for myself or eBay it.

If that's the case, I would say that Aperture is worth looking at. I would just have watch the Aperture and iPhoto tutorials and see if there's anything in Aperture she felt she might use. I find Aperture to be a bit of a luxury for myself (I have a Rebel XT, and I don't take this all that seriously), but it is a much more pleasant experience overall, I would say.
 
Umm...I ran Aperture 1.5 on my Macbook, which doesn't have a graphics card.
Just checked, and Aperture 2 doesn't require one either.

Perhaps you're thinking of Motion, which does indeed require a dedicated graphics card.

No, you don't NEED one, but Aperture never ran great on a MacBook. They lowered the minimum specs and eventually made it run on a MacBook, but it was never really designed to do so.

But hey, the loupe was slow even for some users with a Quad Core, so....
 
Much faster in MacBook

I am trying Aperture 2 in my MacBook (2GHz, 2 GB RAM, Core Duo) and it is MUCH MORE faster than Aperture 1.5. Though I am yet to import my hole library. I have only imported about a hundred photos.

Also, the retouch tool is great. At least for me, a hobby photographer, this means no more Photoshop in 99% of my photos.

Now I'll just wait a couple of weeks and see the possible minor bugs to get fixed.:)

Aperture 2.0 looks like it will be a great update, although it wasn't easy to find the trial version (the link from Aperture 2 on the UK site started downloading the 1.5 trial!), and it isn't even possible to buy it yet outside the US and Canada.

It seems to work in Mexico's store. $239 USD (Not that bad:))
 
Upgrade Options and Issues

Earlier this a.m. ordered upgrade to version 2.0. Tried the upgrade via the website route and stopped as there was no download option. Downloaded the trial version and after starting the trial, an option appears allowing you to buy the software. You select that option and it takes you to Apple site.

After clicking on upgrade you are presented with upgrade checkbox with software Key only. When you select that you buy the upgrade key (no download necessary) and receive a purchase Order Confirmation. You should receive, with the confirmation email (according to Apple's own site) an upgrade key to enter into the trial. There was no key. After contacting support they said I should wait up to 24 hours for key to be generated and emailed to me. The Order Status page at Apple tells me that the order has been 'shipped' via electronic delivery.

Anybody else experience this?
 
I wish I could get a Mac Pro but I've got a rev. A MBP @ 2.16 and aperture 1.5.x is sloooow

while Leopard is faster in some respects, I don't expect Aperture 2.0 to ease my woes with laggy Aperture and long export times. I kindof need a new computer but I just can't justify it after only a year and a half

The changes also seem nice but I'm not sure that it's worth the hundred bucks. I guess I'll trial it but a tower with 4+gb of ram and internal storage or FW 800 is probably where I should start putting my money
 
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