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Apple Releases Boot Camp Beta

milo said:
Because Windows could somehow sneak on your mac? XP elves sneaking in during the night? You honestly don't think you're in control of whether it gets installed on your machine?
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I know that I would be in full control on whether or not windows was installed....I just don't like knowing that it CAN OFFICIALLY support windows. It makes me sick. Those darned elves have to go ruin everything! :p
 
This is the worst thing that could happen--for Microsoft! Short-term sales of Windows, long-term converts to Mac!

A very smart and nimble move for Apple.

I'd still prefer virtualization, but I'm not surprised Apple doesn't go that extent. Leave that to VPC and other options.
 
mozmac said:
Our clients still won't be able to make the switch, though, until virtualization is supported. They need to run Outlook all day long. They can't afford to stop everything they are doing, reboot, check their email, reboot, find all the files they were working on, then five minutes later, close everything, reboot into Windows, check their email, reboot to OS X.........I think you get the picture.

Let's get virtual!
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You never know, if your clients only issue is they can't run Outlook because of the current incomplete MAPI support on OS X via Entourage and Apple Mail then that may all change in the next version of Mail that is released with OS X 10.5 or Office:mac 2007 not to mention Apple's aligned partnership with Zimbra.
 
starnox said:
If you only switched to Macs for the hardware then yes. But for the rest of us who switched for OS X then it's not going to change a thing. The only reason I would install XP on my Mac is for gaming, the rest of the time I would run it in OS X since it's a much superior OS for working in. So this isn't going to change a thing.

New switches are more likely to switch now because they know they are safe, if they don't like OS X then they can keep XP. However when they use OS X for while they won't be switching to XP very often. And Apple wins.

I don't know what you are on about.
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It will change if there aren't any apps for OS X. Nobody is going to buy a Mac to try out OS X thinking they can always boot into Windows if need be. Macs are overpriced if you look at them as Windows boxes.
 
Who's going to be the first to post the Windows BSOD 'running' on an Apple?

Do you still get the BSOD in XP?
 
XP from Virtual PC?

I have Microsoft Office, the version that includes Virtual PC and Windows XP (I don't use it 'cos I cannot stand Windows XP). Does anyone know if the version of Windows XP is purely for use with Virtual PC - or could it be installed on a new Intel Mac? :confused:
 
C00rDiNaT0r said:
No I think it's totally fine. WinXP will probably keep crashing, to a point where people will get so frustrated and will start using OSX without looking back at XP.
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While I would never use XP, unless from an external drive and without being connected to the net in any way, I too think this is a good business move for Apple. I agree that some will use a Mac since they can use both, and then just use OSX, when possible, after comparing both on the same machine. It's a just get your foot in the door strategy. Brilliant.
 
schatten said:
This is very very very very bad news.

Very.

So much for OS X software developers. *sigh*
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Yeah, that was the first thing that came into my mind.

I think this is going to kill OS X and any 3rd party support for apps.

Why develop an app for OS X when the hardware can support Windows?
 
mpw said:
What the legal issues here with MSXP I'm guessing 99%+ of XP install discs came with people's PC's and the license limits them to a single user. Does it also limit to the machine it was purchased with?
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Correct. OEM Windows licenses are not transferable to a different computer.
How many of MS's lawyers are rubbing their hands together right now?
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MS prefer technological barriers to small scale "borrowing", that is the purpose of their activation scheme. They don't care so much about copied discs per se, because all the value is built into the license keys printed on little cards and labels. There are, of course, always stolen keys in circulation.

Business users would have a little more reason to worry because they usually the targets of software licensing raids; but they also have cheaper ways to obtain proper Windows licenses.
 
Apple must be pretty confident about their OS and Hardware now. Imagine if apps run faster in Windows than in Universal binaries? Eeek. I am installing Windows XP SP 2 tonight....games is all I want it for....
 
All Links For Slipstreaming Old XP Into One SP2 Install CD Are HERE

Multimedia said:
XP Pro 2002 - Can I Turn That Into A Service Pack 2 Version? Or do I need to Buy A SP 2 Version to play Windows on MacIntels?
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dops7107 said:
Yes you can - you need to "streamline" an XP installation disc by effectively combining it with SP2. I forget how to do it exactly, but you need the network SP2 installer (downloadable from Microsoft) - and I expect the instructions for stream lining are there too.
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Multimedia said:
Thank you Dops7107. You the man.

Here's the link to the XP SP2 Network Installer for those who have older copies of Windows XP like me. It's 266 MB.

Does anyone know how to run this update so I wind up with a XP SP2 Install CD or DVD? And is this the latest XP version? Or is there an even newer one?
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hadleydb said:
Here is a link to a good howto on slipstreaming: http://www.tomshardware.com/2004/09/08/installing_windowsxp_and/
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Thank you very much Hadleydb. And here's the LINK to the ISOBUSTER Software that is part of the Slipistreaming Install. :D :eek: :) :p

encro said:
Slipstreaming Windows XP Service Pack 2 and Create Bootable CD
http://www.helpwithwindows.com/WindowsXP/winxp-sp2-bootcd.html
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And thank you Encro.

MacSA said:
Service Pack 2 only........ What can you do if your PC came with XP SP1 on a CD? Nothing I guess?
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kukito said:
You can create a slipstreamed Windows CD that includes SP2.

Remember that OEM versions of Windows that came with PCs are not transferrable to another computer. You can try, and hope that the activation software doesn't catch you. Also, most pre-built Windows PCs have a generic Windows key installed, which means that you could use the actual key on your computer's Windows sticker. I was able to transfer my Windows licence from a Dell to a homebuilt machine just by getting it activated. This is not kosher, but it's not my fault that Dell sold me a crappy noisy machine. At any rate, try it. You might be able to get it activated like I did. You can also get a cheap OEM version of Windows from Newegg for around US$90.
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Thanks Kukito. Now I'm totally confused about the Windows XP license thing. I have in in a retail box. Will I have trouble installing it on a home built PC AND my Macs?
 
kjr39 said:
Yeah, that was the first thing that came into my mind.

I think this is going to kill OS X and any 3rd party support for apps.

Why develop an app for OS X when the hardware can support Windows?
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OMG FORD RELEASED A NEW CAR
OMG NISSAN WILL STOP MAKING CARS
WHY MAKE ANOTHER TYPE OF CAR WHEN A CAR ALREADY EXISTS...

The same reason they make different types of everything BECAUSE PPL WANT TO STILL BUY IT, DUH!
 
FWIW, the firmware update adds BIOS compatibility to the EFI implementation in Intel Macs. Boot Camp is simply the CD disk image and partitioning tool, nothing else.

All you need is to apply the firmware, and you can start up any x86 OS you want. Vista, Linux, etc. The SP2 requirement is for the drivers.
 
Ummmmmm, how is this supposed to bring more long time Windows users to the Mac side? Most PC users have an OEM copy of Windows on their PCs (or better yet, they have it installed in a hidden partition on their hard drive). So most people actually don't posses retail versions of XP on CDs anyway. Retail version in some cases are as expensive as some $299 Dells (where for almost the same price you get the OS and the actual PC).

I just don't see a lot of regular Joes running to Apple stores buying $1299 iMacs and a copy of Windows when you can get a decent ABS system from newegg.com for $750-800 (I know I know there are cracked copies of Windows everywhere but average customer doesn't even know where to look for it)

Other thing to consider is that Windows is dominating the software market, and now that Windows will also be available for Mac, why would software companies even bother creating Mac OS X software?

Sure OS X is vastly superior to Windows but it has been superior for the past 5-6 years and so what? Software companies for most part ignored Apple and will continue to ignore and boot camp certainly won't improve this trend.

Boot Camp is good for Apple users that already have Macs and a CD copy of Windows lying somewhere. But I don't think this will actually help bring long time PC users to the Mac platform nor this will help improve the ignorance of software companies of the Mac platform.

We have to remember that Apple is runned by humans and humans making decisions, but we all know that humans are prone to make mistakes.
 
Damn I lost the quote and new posts are too quick. Anyway for those thinking OSX will be infected by Windows:

They are on separate partitions so to infect OSX through Windows you would need to hack Windows then OSX. So its twice as much work! I think thats how it works then again I dont really know.
 
nagromme said:
This is the worst thing that could happen--for Microsoft! Short-term sales of Windows, long-term converts to Mac!

A very smart and nimble move for Apple.

I'd still prefer virtualization, but I'm not surprised Apple doesn't go that extent. Leave that to VPC and other options.
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I agree. In fact, I think Apple might revisit the issue at some point as virtualization would be much more seamless solution, and it would allow OS X to remain the dominant system. I don't think Apple supported virtualization would necessarily preempt this decision, but add to the possibilities.
 
LimeiBook86 said:
I have a bunch of games for Windows, (Half-Life 2, Lego Star Wars, Counter-Stike, Guild Wars) and other programs (Like 3D Studio Max) That I'd love to run on the mac. I already have my iMac setup to do this, just have to install Winodws, too bad I'm at school or I'd be playing Half-Life 2 or DoD: Source on my iMac as we speak :p

I'll let you guys know as soon as I get it installed how things run and such. Now to wait 4 hours until school is over...I can't wait! :eek:

I made my Windows drive a 20gb partition but, if need be, I'm sure I can attach a USB 2.0 HD and put some more applications on there. :D
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Yea! Between games and your artistic abilities :) you should be able to put XP through a ringer! You wouldn't happen to have a whole Windows compatible Adobe suite laying around would you? ;)

We need to get a seperate thread going on performance reports as soon as feasible (read: when we have more performance reports).


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technicolor said:
OMG FORD RELEASED A NEW CAR
OMG NISSAN WILL STOP MAKING CARS
WHY MAKE ANOTHER TYPE OF CAR WHEN A CAR ALREADY EXISTS...

The same reason they make different types of everything BECAUSE PPL WANT TO STILL BUY IT, DUH!
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Your analogy works, if and only if, the tires, CDs, oil and other accessories for a Nissan will not work for a Ford.

In other words, your analogy sucks.
 
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