Barham said:
Where is that limitation stated? I see reference to both theoretically being enabled, even given the EFI issue.
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Where is that limitation stated? I see reference to both theoretically being enabled, even given the EFI issue.
milo said:
It lowers the "OS X-only" marketshare (the way it was, before today).
Mac users: 5 (OS X)
Windows users: 95 (Windows)
Two Mac users install Windows.
Mac users: 3 (OS X only)
Mac users: 2 (OS X and Windows)
Windows users: 95 (Windows)
The "I can only run OS X software" % just went down two percent and the "I can run Windows software" just went up two percent.
I do agree that marketshare is only sales, and that this move may increase Mac sales, but what I said above can be applied to all Intel-Mac users if they do install Windows.
eva01 said:
Well obviously Apple didn't know that they could have won over $10,000 if the released this before narf came up with his dual boot solution...
mozmac said:
What makes you think this won't support Vista? It says right there on the site:
EFI and BIOS
Macs use an ultra-modern industry standard technology called EFI to handle booting. Sadly, Windows XP, and even the upcoming Vista, are stuck in the 1980s with old-fashioned BIOS. But with Boot Camp, the Mac can operate smoothly in both centuries.
That tells me that Vista is good to go on Macs
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been trying to convince my boss that a WinXp on Intel Mini lab woud rock. Narf was a good solution but too 'tech' for him to really grasp. That and re-imaging the lab etc, etc. This may be the ammo I need to get him to buy me a PowerBook erm MacBook to *cough cough* test my senario.
been trying to convince my boss that a WinXp on Intel Mini lab woud rock. Narf was a good solution but too 'tech' for him to really grasp. That and re-imaging the lab etc, etc. This may be the ammo I need to get him to buy me a PowerBook erm MacBook to *cough cough* test my senario.
What adoption rate do you think Boot Camp will really have? Remember that you actually have to go buy an XP license, this is not a freebie.
5%? 10%? Overall Mac market share has grown by at least that over the last year or 2. And will continue to grow in the months and years ahead. The total userbase of Mac-only users will be higher a year from now, even after you subtract the people who really set up their Macs to be dual-boot.
You could have also made this theoretical argument for VirtualPC, why should developers bother with a Mac version when you can just ask people to use VPC (especially for programs that are not CPU intensive.) But again, actual number of VPC users compared to total Mac user base is small.
5%? 10%? Overall Mac market share has grown by at least that over the last year or 2. And will continue to grow in the months and years ahead. The total userbase of Mac-only users will be higher a year from now, even after you subtract the people who really set up their Macs to be dual-boot.
You could have also made this theoretical argument for VirtualPC, why should developers bother with a Mac version when you can just ask people to use VPC (especially for programs that are not CPU intensive.) But again, actual number of VPC users compared to total Mac user base is small.
Whistleway said:
Multimedia said:Thank you Dops7107. You the man.
Here's the link to the XP SP2 Network Installer for those who have older copies of Windows XP like me. It's 266 MB.
Does anyone know how to run this update so I wind up with a XP SP2 Install CD or DVD? And is this the latest XP version? Or is there an even newer one?
Here is a link to a good howto on slipstreaming: http://www.tomshardware.com/2004/09/08/installing_windowsxp_and/
I still think it's very possible that it'll support Vista. It most likely will. But at the same time, it would offer Apple some leverage when people go to make the switch. Maybe they could delay Vista support, so that many people will decide to pick up a Mac instead of a new Vista box. Then after lots of the Vista steam has blown away, they can add support for it.
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APPLE WILL NOW BE MY FOREVER BRAND, APPLE, YOU HAVE JUST EARNED A MILLION CUSTOMERS BY DOING THAT! Which means, BETTER OS X PRODUCTS, MORE MAC SUPPORT!
Now I am switching, for sure.
APPLE WILL NOW BE MY FOREVER BRAND, APPLE, YOU HAVE JUST EARNED A MILLION CUSTOMERS BY DOING THAT! Which means, BETTER OS X PRODUCTS, MORE MAC SUPPORT!
Now I am switching, for sure.
I cant help but think Apple has done this to net a load of people who plan to buy a mac "because they are cool" but who are going to run windows. Then when curiosity gets the better of them they try OSX and realise it pisses all over Windows and so a dedicated switcher is born!
However Windows still seems to be clawing its way onto a mac. I cant help but think in about 2 years time OSX will come on a hybrid Windows disk which asks 'Which OS I want to install today?'
On one hand its good, on the other its bad. Makes me wish i had only one hand!
No Sir, I don't like it!
However Windows still seems to be clawing its way onto a mac. I cant help but think in about 2 years time OSX will come on a hybrid Windows disk which asks 'Which OS I want to install today?'
On one hand its good, on the other its bad. Makes me wish i had only one hand!
No Sir, I don't like it!
I can assure you that if they released it today they've had it since well before the contest was over (they probably had it even before they released the MBP, if only for internal use). Would have been funny if Apple released this before the onmac contest deadline and collected the $14K.Lord Blackadder said:
I now know what I'm doing this weekend, since I have been unable so far to get a number of the games my kids enjoy to work well on the iMac, and this should take care of that. All I need to do is order an non-upgrade/non-Dell XP install disc. (narf's approach still seemed like way too much of a kludge to do unless I had to.)
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gomatt said:
I couldn't agree more. This will be HUGE for Apple. It's stock price is reflecting that, too.
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I just have to say WOW!!!
joemama said:
Maybe they started uploading it to .mac on April 1st and its just finished today!
This thread has moved into the #5 position on the top News forums. (Just sort by replies.) Pretty sweet. Let's keep it going.
Yvan256 said:
There's no such thing as "XYZ-only marketshare". Such a thing can't even be measured. Nobody will know how many mac users install XP. How would they?
The only marketshare metric we have is what OS is sold on a box. For OSX, that number has been going up, and with this it will likely go up even more.
I've uploaded some screenshots to my .mac (gotta love iWeb!):
http://web.mac.com/andrewnesbitt/iWeb/Site
http://web.mac.com/andrewnesbitt/iWeb/Site
Do you have to format your drive to partition it? Also, do you have full control of the system through Windows Control Panel?
Requires a USB mouse/keyboard - I guess it doesn't have bluetooth drivers. For shame.
Requires a USB mouse/keyboard - I guess it doesn't have bluetooth drivers. For shame.
People may not buy more Windows licenses...
1. There are a ton of bootlegged copies of XP out there
2. Many Mac users *already* have a copy of XP from home or office
Short term losses in OS marketshare will lead to longer term gains from the Dual-boot effect.
1. There are a ton of bootlegged copies of XP out there
2. Many Mac users *already* have a copy of XP from home or office
Short term losses in OS marketshare will lead to longer term gains from the Dual-boot effect.