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wnurse said:
Dell has been growing their customer base every year. Do you understand fully what that means?.. that means dell loses some customers and gains some every year. Their customer gains exceeds their customer losses. I don't see how this announcement by apple changes the dynamic one bit.. perhaps we should say gateway is shaking in their boots or Sony is losing sleep becuase i gurantee you, dell will not be the one losing customers.

Any additional competition hurts Dell. Any customer Dell loses to Apple hurts them. Dell may still grow their customer base, but if Apple can take away sales, they will grow it at a slower rate than they would have otherwise. And I'm sure Mike Dell isn't happy about that.

Fender said:

So who was the joker who insisted there was no BSOD in XP? Gotta big plate of warm crow for ya.
 
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greenstork said:
Are you kidding me, ME was widely hearalded as one of the worst Windows releases ever.

I know, These TROLLS are out in numbers today... imagine his dismay when he was told about the Blue Screen of death by the Architect himself during the anouncement of XP... News was there and all... very embarrasing, but I guess his memory was wiped when he re-formatted to get rid of the malware and viruses...
heh
:)
 
blitzkrieg79 said:
LOL you say that his analogy doesn't work because diesel fuel and regular gas both make cars go forward. Well, hate to brake this to you but Windows OS and Mac OS make the computers "go forward" too.
If you don't see a difference in what Mac OS vs. Windows have to offer, then you have many fine choices of Windows PC :)

But as long as some people DO see a difference, people will keep using Mac OS X--in increasing numbers.
 
MacSA said:
Service Pack 2 only........ :( What can you do if your PC came with XP SP1 on a CD? Nothing I guess?


Look up how to slipstream SP2 onto a SP1 install CD to get a CD that installs SP2 from the start. It's pretty nifty and Microsoft documents it.
 
greenstork said:
Are you kidding me, ME was widely hearalded as one of the worst Windows releases ever.

I never said it wasn't? please read my post again. I simply stated that ME improved upon 98 in the way errors were dealt with.
 
ImAlwaysRight said:
So... can I somehow install XP Pro with Boot Camp and use the XP serial number that came with VPC 7? I won't be using the VPC anymore.


Interesting question. I'd guess probably not. But please keep us posted if you have any luck.
 
milo said:
Because mac users will always buy the mac version if it is available. And if YOUR app doesn't run on OSX, if there is a competing app that does run on OSX, mac users will buy it instead of yours. People don't seem to understand that.

And software developers won't write for the Mac if Mac users are buying the software because the windows version was released first. How often is software released for the Mac first? If it's a must have upgrade, users will buy the Windows version for their Mac.

That said, I think the major creative apps from Adobe and Office apps will continue to exist natively, who wants to use Windows interface anyway. The only concern is with games, which are largely OS interface independent. there's no incentive to wait for the Mac version now.
 
iSee said:
I don't know if it was for nothing. I don't think the timing of this release is coincidental--a few weeks after xponmac.


Makes you wonder if the two guys who cracked it on xponmac were somehow affiliated with Apple, meaning did Apple have something to do with 2 guys in California figuring out how to boot xp on an Intel Mac?
 
¡¡¡ WoOoOoOoOoOoW !!!

The new Macs are going to be the BEST tools ever for watching Windows and seeing how it runs and then WRITING LITTLE PROGRAMS THAT DO NASTY THINGS TO IT :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
Shaker said:
Interesting question. I'd guess probably not. But please keep us posted if you have any luck.
I would agree. You will have a serial for XP, one for VPC. If your copy of XP is not legal and you want to use your VPC serial, Microsoft wouldn't be happy.
 
Apple's hedge

I was excited, but worried by this announcement. The concern being that developers may in fact shy away from producing Mac software or even testing web apps under a Mac. I spent the weekend putting up my G5 on Ebay and their new interface SUCKS under every mac browser I tried (Safari, Camin and Firefox). Anyway, it was still in my mind this morning and I was concerned.

But think about this - if the worst were to happen and developers start dropping Mac development, what can Apple do? Well, they can simply release OS X for PC boxes. Ouch! Their market share growth would be explosive. And personally, I'd stil pay up for Apple hardware. Not sure what the rest of the market would do though.
 
milo said:
Any additional competition hurts Dell. Any customer Dell loses to Apple hurts them. Dell may still grow their customer base, but if Apple can take away sales, they will grow it at a slower rate than they would have otherwise. And I'm sure Mike Dell isn't happy about that.



So who was the joker who insisted there was no BSOD in XP? Gotta big plate of warm crow for ya.

Dell has always had competition. Apple is not even dell most formidable competition. Please. This is like prediciting the death of microsoft. Every time a new version of OSX comes out or the mac can do something new, we all hear about how this means Dell and Microsoft will die. Yeah right, sure.. if you believe that, i have a bridge in brooklyn to sell you.. only a million dollars (bought it for 1 billion, selling at huge discount). Paypal accepted.

BTW, all computers can crash. My mac crashes at least once per month (i'm sure i'm at fault somehow and not apple, so no need to bash me about how apple is the best, blah blah blah).

PS. My mac has an annonying habit of losing bluetooth connection to the mouse (espicially after the computer is in sleep mode). I have to manually disconnect and then re-pair the device (i happen to have a usb mouse that i plug in and then disconnect and re-pair the bluetooth mouse). I have been looking for a solution (i have mac OSX 3.9). That and my mac crashing once a month drives me nuts. I'm not worried about the crashing but i would love to solve the bluetooth problem. Can someone point me to a solution (while bashing me about how apple is the greatest thing since sliced bread, blah blah blah).
 
It's probably a small concern, but I'd prefer it if the software operated from within OS X itself.

For instance, if someone uses XP alot, there is always the danger that they will lose interest in booting up in OS X and end up using XP all the time. (My other half uses Windows for his Financial Trading software, and his Mac for other stuff. I know for a fact if he had one Mac doing it all, he's get fed up with having to re-boot all the time to change systems. Windows would be the winner, as he needs the financal software on 24/7.)

Like wise, new users may just get XP and not really even try to use OS X.

If OS X still automatically booted, and you could only get to XP by using OS X, that would at least prompt new users to do a bit of Mac stuff.
 
FixIt said:
In corporate america, if you have an excess cash buildup either you distribute it as a dividend or retain the earnings for growth (in a profitable way...)
This kind of persuasion is not feasible I am afraid, unless you want to invest/buy them out. But it does not seem like Apple is making great money with its SW products... it is a HW shop, really. SW has the purpose of keeping the HW business going, and differentiate it

Dividends from a tech company is an admittance of defeat when there isnt much innovation left in the tank. Sw has been driving hardware sales, so surely it makes sense to blow a few bucks getting Photoshop etc assured on the Mac platform? Good software options reaps much income from hardware sales because most mac users just keep buying new ones, therefore buy outs etc make a good long term play if developers started jittering. IMO

But as Nagromme says, evenwith an insignificant marketshere we still have plenty of sw to choose from, so with evermore Macs going out into the marketplace whats to stop the developers' continued support?
 
i knew its was a bad move

Appel will be death or over run in the next 6 to 12 month
they just cross a deal with the devil sorry for them .....

The day Apple that they where going to use the intel prosessor i knew it was bad ......
Apple should have remember IBM and OS/2 rules in informatic never trust M$
Never deal with M$ .....
all the sudden i hope that Stevie Job still as a job at Disney he will need it .


with in 6 month of virus and trouble apple will be so much in trouble that will be a party like we never see one like that .

Now fast very fast OS/X on any platform

fast
 
WSJ's Mossberg on Boot Camp

But these are minor issues. All in all, Boot Camp works really well. Now it's simple to run Windows on a Mac. So, if you're thinking of switching, your decision has been made much easier. Whether you want to run Mac or Windows programs, an Apple computer may be the only computer you'll need.



Could not have said it better myself.
In todays online Wall Street Journal.
 
nagromme said:
If you don't see a difference in what Mac OS vs. Windows have to offer, then you have many fine choices of Windows PC :)

But as long as some people DO see a difference, people will keep using Mac OS X--in increasing numbers.

I see a difference between mac OS and Windows but I also see a big difference between diesel and gas engine cars.

There was Virtual PC before this Boot Camp thing and that did absolutely nothing for Mac community and I doubt this will do anything positive for OS X (only Apple web developers benefited from it as they could preview websites in Windows based environment). Reality is that Apple needs better 3rd party software support (they have lots of cash, maybe they could aquire small but influential companies such as maybe Corel or Blizzard and make OS X only software, software exclusivity, I think thats where Apple wants to go, just like in the console market, people buy certain consoles just because it has that one game that isn't available for anything else, difference is that consoles are way cheaper to beging with) and hardware based upon better price points. Most people buy PCs for internet, email, office apps, light photo viewing/editing, and music. And you can certainly do that with a $299 + monitor PC.

And as much as people in here are riding on Win XP, eversince I installed Firefox and not been usiing IE, the PC doesn't crash and I have nothing but positive things to say about it. I think Win XP unreliability on this forums is overstated. Just to make it clear, I am also a Mac user, but at the end of the day I am a computer user (and I have been a compuer user eversince the Atari 65XE days), and I could care less if its MS or Apple based as long as it is competitevly priced, reliable, and does what it is supposed to be doing fast.
 
My daughter is going to college in the fall and wants a Mac laptop, but there is most likely going to be some Windows only s/w she will want/need, plus games. Now, for the additional cost of a retail copy of XP Pro SP2, she can have both in one elegant package.

I hope those 2.5" 200GB Fujitsu hard drives hit the market soon, and that Apple offers one in the MacBooks.
 
Apple just killed the MAC OS X games market

Going forward as the power of the Intel Machines rises rapidly and the cost of supporting PowerPC systems for advanced games that won't run well goes up as well, I think Apple just killed the native Mac OS X game market.

Gates will love this because he still gets the money from the sale of the full Windows (retail) version. Imagine if only half of the millions of Intel macs sold add a Windows copy. He can sell all sorts of things like MS Money etc....That are on Windows only. Microsoft is cheering this big time.

They don't have to convince people Macs are a bad platform for business, they can just say the are very expensive PC's because they can boot Windows.

Wow big news.
 
Wow, it's the lead story on the New York Times online right now:
nytimes-bootcamp.png
 
toxicfreak said:
Appel will be death or over run in the next 6 to 12 month
they just cross a deal with the devil sorry for them .....

The day Apple that they where going to use the intel prosessor i knew it was bad ......
Apple should have remember IBM and OS/2 rules in informatic never trust M$
Never deal with M$ .....
all the sudden i hope that Stevie Job still as a job at Disney he will need it .


with in 6 month of virus and trouble apple will be so much in trouble that will be a party like we never see one like that .

Now fast very fast OS/X on any platform

fast

Wow, I don't think you get the point of this.

Anyway, if you boot into Windows, just don't
connect to the internet while doing so. No viruses
because of no internet!
 
tobyg said:
Ah yes but running your car on this gas makes it run like crap. Sure, it'll get you where you want to go but the ride is not nearly as enjoyable. Very bumpy, bloated, ugly ride.

However, this deisel fuel is a much better, smoother, enjoyable ride. I'd go out of my way to find deisel fuel and even pay a bit more for the more comfortable ride, as we all have already done by purchasing Apple hardware and software.

I totally agree -- my current computer is a PowerMac G5 and my next car will be a diesel or hybrid -- but are the majority of consumers like you are me? That's the big question mark inherent in my analogy. You see, diesel may be more efficient, better for the environment, and give you a better experience, but will the vast majority of consumers care, or will they just get what is the most convenient and most easily accessible?

Remember, there is fact and then there is marketing. The two rarely have anything in common. Beta was a superior format, but VHS won because it had better marketing, had more manufacturers behind it, and ultimately achieved market saturation. If Sony announced that all Betamax players would now allow you to also play VHS, nobody would make tapes in Beta even though Beta was a superior format -- the decision on the part of the developer is a business one, not one of "which platform is superior" or "which one do I prefer". It's about "which ones will the vast majority of my customers prefer, and where will I make the most money".

The one thing that a lot of people, myself included, are overlooking in the doom-and-gloom scenario is that Apple is not "officially supporting" Windows and is not including Windows with the Mac or selling a Windows license. The burden of the installation, support, and purchase of the Windows OS falls upon the user -- and that, right there, may be enough to mitigate the fears some of us are having about developers moving away from OS X.

In order for developers to move away from OS X, the following needs to happen:

  1. Majority of existing Mac users move to Intel.
  2. The majority of existing Mac users who have switched to Intel have also installed Windows on their new Intel Macs.
  3. The vast majority of new Mac users will also be installing and running Windows.

The only likely scenario is the first one, the rest are minority concerns. Apple has provided a cumbersome solution to those who really want to run Windows, but the fact is that right now they don't NEED to run Windows. I think what Apple will do with 10.5/Leopard is fold the dual booting feature into some variation of Fast User Switching or a virtualized environment, and then make the argument of how superior Macs are that they can run, at full native speed, a competitor's OS in a window while performing fabulously at all this other multitasking stuff.

Hey, I have an idea for Apple. Why don't you turn Windows into a Classic-like layer so that you can run Windows applications right in OS X, in a relatively seamless way, to happily coexist with all of your other OS X applications, dock items, etc.? Drag and drop would work, all of that. Now THAT would be a phenomenal development where Mac adoption would skyrocket and the superiority of running as a Cocoa application would be immediately clear, users would clamor for it, and with a user base that was growing by leaps and bounds you would, as a developer, take notice of your users' requests.
 
Ditto

jpmack said:
But these are minor issues. All in all, Boot Camp works really well. Now it's simple to run Windows on a Mac. So, if you're thinking of switching, your decision has been made much easier. Whether you want to run Mac or Windows programs, an Apple computer may be the only computer you'll need.


It's true... There is never another reason to by a PC
 
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