Apple Releases Dual Core PowerMac G5s

[aafuss1]

Does the PMG5 Quad 2.5GHz or single dual core G5's still use liquid cooling?

 

[nagromme]

I ordered my G5 Quad as soon as apple store came on line after the annoucment (Ordered with 2x1 gb of ram, wireless/bluetooth, 500gb hd, apple care, and 30" cinema). Can't wait until it ships (on or before 11/17)...I plan to get Aperture, iSight, and add extra ram after market.

Welcome aboard! You got "the works" I see! 3rd-party RAM is definitely cheaper (try http://eshop.macsales.com ). BTW, the iSight has a magnet mount included, allowing it to attach to the top of a Cinema Display (or older G5 iMac) with no clamps or adhesive. Pretty clever--they had to build the magnet into the display I believe, at the center.

Does the PMG5 Quad 2.5GHz or single dual core G5's still use liquid cooling?

The consensus seems to be no more liquid cooling in any model. I don't know that this is official from Apple, though.

 

[zugzuglani]

Welcome aboard! You got "the works" I see! 3rd-party RAM is definitely cheaper (try http://eshop.macsales.com ). BTW, the iSight has a magnet mount included, allowing it to attach to the top of a Cinema Display (or older G5 iMac) with no clamps or adhesive. Pretty clever--they had to build the magnet into the display I believe, at the center.

Thanks for that link. I had been looking at macramdirect.com. Any opinions on either site? I'm thinking of bumping up to 4gb after I get the machine.

Yeah - I love the iSight magnetic design...very smart.

 

[jaduffy108]

my two cents..

Damn, I already placed my order and they didn't have the 7800 as an option so I didn't know about it. But damn it's much faster then the 6600. Anyone know when it will be back and and what price? I might have to call Apple and find out if it's worth me chaining my order.

Just me, but i would make that call...no need to ask Apple...go with the 7800.

peace

 

[Evangelion]

For all of you wondering about 1x dualcore vs 2x single-core: CLICK HERE!. It's review of the dual-core Opteron. The processors to look out for are the Opteron 175 (2.2Ghz dual-core, 1MB L2-cace) are Opteron 248 (2x single-core, 2.2Ghz, 1MB L2-cache).

In short: dual-core Opteron is slightly faster than two single-core Opterons with similar clock-speed and L2-cache.

 

[arogge]

The Mac finally has support for real graphics cards. 🙂 Apple noticed that the workstation cards are also better for playing games. So, where's the Realizm support? 😱

 

[jaduffy108]

more on AMD vs Intel for Apple

AMD is great in processor performance but as a company they are still far away from making consistent money-positive quarters. Intel has huge cash and can therfore afford to play with Apple even if the base is not so big.AMD would be bad off at this point to invest money into Apple versus focussing on the bigger PC market.

Just one last comment re:AMD vs Intel
I do see validity to your point...really, I do... but....here's a headline from today:

AMD Momentum Builds as Industry Continues to Embrace AMD Turion 64 Mobile Technology
Thursday October 20, 12:01 am ET
Falcon Northwest ...blah,blah,blaah

on the same page are these two links:
1- Intel Sees Slower Growth - at The Wall Street Journal Online (Wed Oct 19)

2-Techs Rally Despite Weak Intel Forecast - at The Wall Street Journal Online (Wed Oct 19)

I ask, has Apple made the wrong x86 choice? Based on product performance available right now versus vaporware Intel "roadmaps"?...yes, no doubt Apple goofed...Then again, was it Apple's choice? Who knows?...not me.

peace

 

[iBug2]

Where is 10.4.3?

I bet the new macs are shipping with it, and since they ship as of today, the system must have been ready. Why not release it?

 

[Lollypop]

Know I’m late to the game... but I just got up! hehe

Nice new updates... would like to know how the duel processor machines compare to the duel core puppies... I know under certain tasks on AMD machines the duel core machines smoke, but this is the G5 not the Opteron.... very different architectures...

Do the new PCI-e graphics cards also require different boot ROMs than PC versions? I think this is a nice bridge between the old G5 machines and the future Intel Macs… I think hardware compatibility between the current PCI-e PPC based and PCI-e Intel based systems could be interesting!

 

[Truffy]

I never complained that Apple doesn't update quickly enough, I just stated that this new quad, whilst great for Apple and for the future of the Power Mac comes only after having mine for 4 months which makes me feel sick!!! I mean you could have bought a dual 2.7 ghz yesterday and now this! Then you'd be sick too. Doesn't seem fair really...to reiterate, if Apple, or some other reputable firm offered a part exchange system I'd use it!
😉

B.S.!!!
The quad's been rumoured for months. Some bought 2.7s early because, presumably, they needed the horsepower there and then. Some of us held out because we could (afford to.) You haven't been jipped. Either you've been using that horsepower and doing good work, or you bought too soon. Neither of which is Apple's concern or fault. 🙄

AMD Momentum Builds ... Intel Sees Slower Growth

But isn't this the whole Firefox vs IE market share argument all over again. FF leaps in market share ... to 8%, while IE slides ... to a mere 78%? 😉

 

[Truffy]

Wot, no 7800?

Am I being thicker than is strictly necessary? The tech specs state that the GF7800 will be offered as a BTO option between the GF6600 and the FX4500. But it appears to be conspicuous by its absence on the online store. 😕

 

[Renegate]

I have wondered about this before but now again "Bluetooth everywhere". What device available for the MAC uses Bluetooth? Whats the purpose of having that everywhere? The only devices largely using bluetooth are mobile phones but until now synchronizing over bluetooth doesn't work with the itunes phone. I sthat reserved for Apples upcoming version of it or something else?

Just one last comment re:AMD vs Intel
I do see validity to your point...really, I do... but....here's a headline from today:

AMD Momentum Builds as Industry Continues to Embrace AMD Turion 64 Mobile Technology
Thursday October 20, 12:01 am ET
Falcon Northwest ...blah,blah,blaah

on the same page are these two links:
1- Intel Sees Slower Growth - at The Wall Street Journal Online (Wed Oct 19)

2-Techs Rally Despite Weak Intel Forecast - at The Wall Street Journal Online (Wed Oct 19)

I ask, has Apple made the wrong x86 choice? Based on product performance available right now versus vaporware Intel "roadmaps"?...yes, no doubt Apple goofed...Then again, was it Apple's choice? Who knows?...not me.

peace

I would have preferred AMD too but at the end depending on their agreement should be an easy switch, probably smoother with Intel to go there initially (more manpower,more PR money). The other thing not to forget are consumer products beyond PC's where Intel might have some more stuff.Seems like AMD is focussing on PC's/servers while Intel is venturing into other consumer products.

uhh...hmmm. I get your point, particularly considering the past. Also, if $$ is your primary criterion versus performance. ahem. On the otherhand, AMD just posted greater earnings than Intel. AMD's performance is creating converts from the Intel camp in significant numbers right now...server market too... so doesn't performance in the end matter most? I would be careful about betting against AMD...very careful. I guess your point is... AMD might not even want Apple's business? Maybe.

peace

I am not betting against AMD, I own xxx shares of AMD which i bought at the beginning of the year. I am just saying that for them it would make no sense to tie up resources for the still small MAC processor base.

 

[MrSugar]

I just wanted to slip my comment in here with people going back and forth about the mid-range G5's.

If the benchmarks are right, then the new dual core 2.3 G5 is faster than the previous dual 2.5 machine that was high end before the 2.7. That's pretty impressive. Not to mention you also get PCIe graphics.

While the mid-range machines may not be as highlight packed as the Quad, I definitely think they offer some great advantages. I for one would love to have one of them in place of my Dual 2ghz G5.

Of course, the main thing we need to realize is that once again, Apple has finally topped the market with the fastest Mac's we have ever seen. The nit pick details in comparison to Intel and AMD aren't important. We should be ecstatic (as I am) to see such powerful machines finally coming back to Apple's front. Once again Apple is on par or on top of every other power packed machine on the market.

 

[artifex]

Thanks for that link. I had been looking at macramdirect.com. Any opinions on either site? I'm thinking of bumping up to 4gb after I get the machine.

Yeah - I love the iSight magnetic design...very smart.

I like Crucial for my cheaper boxes - my Mini has a 1GB Crucial stick.
For super heavy duty, lifetime guarantee stuff, I use Mushkin. My XP fileserver uses paired DDR sets. But Mushkin is not cheap 🙂

 

[Evangelion]

I have wondered about this before but now again "Bluetooth everywhere". What device available for the MAC uses Bluetooth? Whats the purpose of having that everywhere? The only devices largely using bluetooth are mobile phones but until now synchronizing over bluetooth doesn't work with the itunes phone. I sthat reserved for Apples upcoming version of it or something else?

Well, there ARE other phones out there besides the crappy iTunes-phone (yes, it IS crappy). What could you do with BT? Well, you could sync your phone with the computer (duh!). And you could sync your PDA as well. you could use bluetooth-keyboards and mice (like many already do with Macs).

Bluetooth is basically a wireless connection between peripherals. You do the math.

 

[artifex]

I bet the new macs are shipping with it, and since they ship as of today, the system must have been ready. Why not release it?

No kidding. I'm waiting to see if they fully implement BT support for non-D-Link dongles.

I have wondered about this before but now again "Bluetooth everywhere". What device available for the MAC uses Bluetooth? Whats the purpose of having that everywhere? The only devices largely using bluetooth are mobile phones but until now synchronizing over bluetooth doesn't work with the itunes phone. I sthat reserved for Apples upcoming version of it or something else?

Headsets. And don't say MAC. that's Media Access Control 🙂

 

[groovebuster]

The first time since a while that a PowerMac update put a smile on my face! 🙂

The Quad G5 is a monster! Will buy one in about 4 weeks if the money from my last project is finally coming.

But the single processor machines are a joke...

On the other hand it would leave space for a semi-pro line-up now. Single pocessor single core machines in a smaller enclosure in the range 1000-1500$.

We will see...

groovebuster

Edit: Just checked out what the Opteron 275 processors cost... just 2 processors and a decent mainboard cost well over 2500$. The Quad G5 is really worth the money... I want one!!! 🙂

 

[Renegate]

Headsets. And don't say MAC. that's Media Access Control 🙂

Actually thats maybe where Steve Jobbs is heading : Media Access Control,good remark

 

[50548]

Go Go Go Apple!!

DAMN!!! Just one day out of Internet gives me these AWESOME NEWS!! It's so good to arrive from a 12-hour long-haul flight and see that Apple has, ONCE MORE, THE MOST POWERFUL MACHINES in the market!

It was all worth the wait! Go SJ, Go Apple! Now how can I buy a 2x2??? I NEED THA MONEY!

EAT YOUR CROW, PCland!! 😀

 

[RoxStrongo]

the lower end models certainly dont excite me at all. i was holding off purchasing but all i can say now is thank god they still sell the dual 2.7 and cheaper which nice. the quad is nice but 512 ram is taking the piss a tad and i cant wait a month for one.oh well my bank balance will be very excited that its going for a little trip.

 

[Renegate]

The first time since a while that a PowerMac update put a smile on my face! 🙂

The Quad G5 is a monster! Will buy one in about 4 weeks if the money from my last project is finally coming.

But the single processor machines are a joke...

On the other hand it would leave space for a semi-pro line-up now. Single pocessor single core machines in a smaller enclosure in the range 1000-1500$.

We will see...

groovebuster

Edit: Just checked out what the Opteron 275 processors cost... just 2 processors and a decent mainboard cost well over 2500$. The Quad G5 is really worth the money... I want one!!! 🙂

Seems like shipping times are very long, do they actually have any stock or is that reflecting high order volumes?

 

[Hattig]

Nice. Now please can Apple release single core, but same speed, equivalents. Call it a "Mac" (no 'Power', No 'i', No 'Mini'). Max 8GB DDR2 RAM in 4 slots (or 4GB in two slots even, to save space). 1 PCIe x16 slot for graphics. 3 PCI slots (the other PCIe slots in the PowerMac come from a second controller which can be dropped for this product).

Sell it for $1299 (single 2.0GHz G5), $1599 (single 2.3GHz G5) and $1899 (single 2.5GHz G5). If possible make the case a little smaller (drop a PCI slot if needed).

I'd buy one of these without thinking, whereas for the Mac Mini I think "not quite enough power, but nice price" and the iMac I think "Nice specs, but I don't need the built-in display and I'd like to be able to upgrade the graphics".

Alternatively, put the iMac's graphics card on a notebook style PCIe graphics connector so it can be upgraded.

The problem is that Apple has no prosumer computer line. There is consumer (iMac, Mac Mini, iBook) and there is professional (PowerMac, PowerBook). There is a big gaping void in the middle for people that want more power, but don't need a bloody workstation.

 

[lelereb]

Someone knowns if a dual core processor can share between the two cores the threads of a multithreaded app? Or all threads, all running under the same process, goes all on one of the cores?

 

[Truffy]

For all of you wondering about 1x dualcore vs 2x single-core: CLICK HERE!. It's review of the dual-core Opteron. The processors to look out for are the Opteron 175 (2.2Ghz dual-core, 1MB L2-cace) are Opteron 248 (2x single-core, 2.2Ghz, 1MB L2-cache).

In short: dual-core Opteron is slightly faster than two single-core Opterons with similar clock-speed and L2-cache.

Assuming that 'duality' is the same for PPC as AMD (a big assumption, I know) this tells me that there's pretty much no difference between a dual core processor and two processors of the same clock speed. So, a dual core 2.3 PM should be similar to the earlier dual processor 2.3. But that was 3D rendering. Presumably the newer PCI-e cards will make a difference there too.

OTOH, the quad will smoke!

 

[groovebuster]

Seems like shipping times are very long, do they actually have any stock or is that reflecting high order volumes?

They are just starting to ship in a few weeks. The machines are probably not ready yet (the Quads I mean). Hard to guess how high the demand will be and how many they can push innto the market right from the beginning. I hope it doesn't mean that I'll get the machine not before next year when I'll oder in about a month. I need to write it off the tax this year and not in 2006...

I still remember the chaos with the first G5s when shipping times were constantly 6-8 weeks or even longer. I hope it's not getting that bad again.

groovebuster