spencecb said:
Technology would normally not allow a 1 year old dual 2gz to be in the pro offerings
imho a 2 monthly spec improvement would be better to not upset the consumers and i think thats there intension for the future mini's.
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Apple Releases Dual Core PowerMac G5s
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Technology would normally not allow a 1 year old dual 2gz to be in the pro offerings
imho a 2 monthly spec improvement would be better to not upset the consumers and i think thats there intension for the future mini's.
"With 42 bits of physical address space, the PowerPC G5 supports a colossal 4 terabytes (4TB) of system memory. Although its not currently feasible to purchase 4TB of RAM, the advanced architecture of the PowerPC G5 allows for plenty of growth in the future." -Apple
Sorry boys, the powerpc g5 doesn't have much a future....we are kinda switching to intel soon...it will be supported for a little bit longer, but sooner or later we'll dump it. And by then, nobody is going to have 4 tb's of ram in their computers....
Sorry boys, the powerpc g5 doesn't have much a future....we are kinda switching to intel soon...it will be supported for a little bit longer, but sooner or later we'll dump it. And by then, nobody is going to have 4 tb's of ram in their computers....
People aren't going to junk their PPC based apple after the hardware transition has completed. There will still be way too many PPC based Apples around for Apple and others to ignore.
This machine will be quite happy for at least, if not more 5 years.
This machine will be quite happy for at least, if not more 5 years.
FF_productions said:
for the record
i just configured a dual dual core Intel machine over at DELL. Almost identical specs as the quad G5 (coudlnt get a dual layer burner though) and it came to about $4741. So i think $3300 is a fair price in relation to the computing world.
i just configured a dual dual core Intel machine over at DELL. Almost identical specs as the quad G5 (coudlnt get a dual layer burner though) and it came to about $4741. So i think $3300 is a fair price in relation to the computing world.
FF_productions said:
Umm... many Intel based mother boards support 40+ bit physical address space and of course 64 bit virtual address spaces. Also many of those boards support memory capacities much larger then 16 GB.
It is likely that by the time Power Macs get to Intel, Apple will have nailed down its 64 bit Intel ABI (they have the 32 bit ABI worked out now), in other words their Power Mac line will continue to be 64 bit based.
(ah reread what you wrote... guess you are not questioning Intel based system capabilities just they wording since Intel is the future)
Aww... My single 1.8GHz G5 is getting old.. And what happened to ATI graphics cards? I need ATI.
Ok, It just seems a little crazy that it can have that much ram in it...
And I know Apple won't dump 99 percent of their customers using PPC when intel comes around. I've known it since Steve Jobs said apple was switching to intel, and that was months ago.
It's just that quote stuck out so much...4 terabytes!!!! 4000 gigs of ram??
And I know Apple won't dump 99 percent of their customers using PPC when intel comes around. I've known it since Steve Jobs said apple was switching to intel, and that was months ago.
It's just that quote stuck out so much...4 terabytes!!!! 4000 gigs of ram??
wow finally, alleluia!
Just placed an order for the quad 2.5 plus 30" and 23" monitors. I think the wait was worth it. Lower prices on the displays plus educational discount.
I am glad i waited. Now wait for rev.b Intel to upgrade again. probably 2 years away.
Apperture, by the way great software. Way to go Apple.
Powerbooks, no big deal IMHO. I would wait for Intel. I think we'll see it at WWDC 06.
Just placed an order for the quad 2.5 plus 30" and 23" monitors. I think the wait was worth it. Lower prices on the displays plus educational discount.
I am glad i waited. Now wait for rev.b Intel to upgrade again. probably 2 years away.
Apperture, by the way great software. Way to go Apple.
Powerbooks, no big deal IMHO. I would wait for Intel. I think we'll see it at WWDC 06.
Weak
Ya, the PowerMac update is pretty cool, but no way can I drop $3300 on a new computer. So, as nice as the machine is, it does me no good.
The PB update was pretty weak, IMO. Esp w/o an update to the 12". They could've at least updated the screens and made dual-layer burners an option. If I wasn't so optimistic as to believe we'll see Mactel laptops at MWSF, I'd probably give my fiancee my PB and just go and get a Vaio and hope that OS X x86 hacked version would work on it.
In fact, did anyone see the new Vaios made of carbon fiber (Vaio TX series)? Smaller, lighter than previous models (2.7lbs for 16" and 17" widescreens), much better batteries (up to 9hrs -- 14-15hrs with extended battery), much much better screens, etc. In the meantime, the PB stays pretty much stagnant. I understand why they may wait until the Mactel switch to come out with a radically new design, but who knows when that's going to happen. In the meantime, the competition is just passing them by.
Honestly, if it wasn't for OS X, would you buy a Powerbook? I'm seriously curious.
Ya, the PowerMac update is pretty cool, but no way can I drop $3300 on a new computer. So, as nice as the machine is, it does me no good.
The PB update was pretty weak, IMO. Esp w/o an update to the 12". They could've at least updated the screens and made dual-layer burners an option. If I wasn't so optimistic as to believe we'll see Mactel laptops at MWSF, I'd probably give my fiancee my PB and just go and get a Vaio and hope that OS X x86 hacked version would work on it.
In fact, did anyone see the new Vaios made of carbon fiber (Vaio TX series)? Smaller, lighter than previous models (2.7lbs for 16" and 17" widescreens), much better batteries (up to 9hrs -- 14-15hrs with extended battery), much much better screens, etc. In the meantime, the PB stays pretty much stagnant. I understand why they may wait until the Mactel switch to come out with a radically new design, but who knows when that's going to happen. In the meantime, the competition is just passing them by.
Honestly, if it wasn't for OS X, would you buy a Powerbook? I'm seriously curious.
ccrandall77 said:
Great point...It's the only reason I have a mac. OSX is just that good. (FCP especially)
dberg said:
Whoa there! Stop trying to confuse everyone with facts. Let them all rant about how expensive Macs are and the lack of features... it's so much more fun.
Apple finally did it the cemented the Power Mac as one of the worlds high end UNIX workstations. Now where are the high end UNIX workstation apps that require a Quadro FX?
It's nice to see the PPC go out with one hell of a BANG!
It's nice to see the PPC go out with one hell of a BANG!
Upgrades to a dual-core proc and Intel chips and etc...
To uppgrade to a dual-core would at least require a BIOS update. Maybe an adapter would work to adapt the dual-core chip to a single core mobo. Even if it has the same amount of pins, etc. it will not simply drop in there and work. Could be voltage or current issues. Pins that were reserved for future use ar enow IN USE. Etc. Possible and very likely if there were to be an interest in it. But, the PPC architecture is not as well documented (yes, I know of existing documentation) but NO WHERE near that of x86 documentation. Which is why you see people keeping older systems and buying an adapter to use a prc of 2001 on a mobo from 1994. (don't ask me why, I don't do that)
But, some people has aksed if a dual-core is the same as a dual proc. Mostly. There are plenty of dual-core versus dual-proc tests out there for intel and AMD chips. Benchmarks indicate very little difference. However, this is also dependant upon the chipset as well. Not just the proc's.
Also, I am sure Intel proc's will be able to handle Aperature. They certainly can handle Photoshop CS2 and numerous other app's. And, I am sure Apple will basically copy the current line up with "equiv" processors but a lot more RAM and better video cards for the money. It would be pointless to go from dual-core processors to single core variants. I imagine everything will look and feel the same to anyone out there. I'm pretty sure if you were to have a PowerPC G5 right next to a Intel based one. And they had the exact same hardware config you'd be hard pressed to tell. Except, the Intel based one might be a bit less $$$.
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To uppgrade to a dual-core would at least require a BIOS update. Maybe an adapter would work to adapt the dual-core chip to a single core mobo. Even if it has the same amount of pins, etc. it will not simply drop in there and work. Could be voltage or current issues. Pins that were reserved for future use ar enow IN USE. Etc. Possible and very likely if there were to be an interest in it. But, the PPC architecture is not as well documented (yes, I know of existing documentation) but NO WHERE near that of x86 documentation. Which is why you see people keeping older systems and buying an adapter to use a prc of 2001 on a mobo from 1994. (don't ask me why, I don't do that)
But, some people has aksed if a dual-core is the same as a dual proc. Mostly. There are plenty of dual-core versus dual-proc tests out there for intel and AMD chips. Benchmarks indicate very little difference. However, this is also dependant upon the chipset as well. Not just the proc's.
Also, I am sure Intel proc's will be able to handle Aperature. They certainly can handle Photoshop CS2 and numerous other app's. And, I am sure Apple will basically copy the current line up with "equiv" processors but a lot more RAM and better video cards for the money. It would be pointless to go from dual-core processors to single core variants. I imagine everything will look and feel the same to anyone out there. I'm pretty sure if you were to have a PowerPC G5 right next to a Intel based one. And they had the exact same hardware config you'd be hard pressed to tell. Except, the Intel based one might be a bit less $$$.
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ccrandall77 said:
No, is there really any other reason to buy a Mac? Well maybe if it had 100% hardware support for Linux I'd consider it, because if there wasn't an OS X I'd still be using Linux as my primary OS.
Hi can somone link me a page on crucial to the RAM i want please,.. iv never bought ram separatly this would help immensly thanks!
http://www.crucial.com/uk/
cheers
if i can get the ram at a reasonable price on here,.. il go for the 2.5 quad power mac....
http://www.crucial.com/uk/
cheers
if i can get the ram at a reasonable price on here,.. il go for the 2.5 quad power mac....
whitetrashanth said:
The machine was only released a few hours ago I don't think anyone will have any Apple Certified RAM for it yet.
I think the new PMs are interesting, but it sure looks like IBM is shafting them on dual core costs at the upper end - a $300 bump from the previous dual 2.7 G5.
That brings up the BTO upgrade that will NEVER happen: ship all PMs dual processor ready in terms of internal design and allow buyers of the 2 lower models to add a second processor for $300. Want a 2.0 quad - add $300. That would be tempting especially if you can get an edu discount.
That brings up the BTO upgrade that will NEVER happen: ship all PMs dual processor ready in terms of internal design and allow buyers of the 2 lower models to add a second processor for $300. Want a 2.0 quad - add $300. That would be tempting especially if you can get an edu discount.
kenaustus said:
That made me laugh! $300 extra for a machine that is possibly twice as fast when used properly?
whitetrashanth said:
Stuff on this page likely (240-pin DIMMs I believe)...
http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/listmodule.asp?family=DDRII&tabid=DDR2+PC2%2D4200
...but you should wait until they list support for the new systems.
This is what Apple lists for RAM...
Memory
128-bit memory controller and data paths
512MB of 533MHz DDR2 SDRAM (PC2-4200)
Eight DIMM slots supporting up to 16GB of main memory
Support for the following DIMMs (in pairs):
256MB DIMMs (64-bit-wide, 512-Mbit)
512MB DIMMs (64-bit-wide, 512-Mbit)
1GB DIMMs (64-bit-wide, 512-Mbit or 1-Gbit)
2GB DIMMs (64-bit-wide, 1-Gbit)
ECC memory available in configurations with 1GB or more (build-to-order option)
wow! quad G5s! i mean, we all knew the dual core G5s were coming, but wow! there's some power under the aluminum casing.
I WANT ONE!!!
I WANT ONE!!!