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Great .TV Adverts, yeah yeah yeah. But where the hell are the computers in store?! Stop playing ridiculous marketing games and supply us already!
 
The Retina Macbook looks pretty freakin' awesome. But since its cheapest version is $2200 and out of the price range for 90 percent of Macbook customers, I hope the "90 percenters" don't get their own regular Mac experience hosed over by Apple and application makers by trying to appease two masters.

For example, I see a report that the Google Chrome browser looks like doodoo with pixel doubling on a Macbook Retina. What I don't want to see is Google try to "fix" its app for Macbook Retina and then turn it into a doodoo experience for regular Mac users.

Normally, that hasn't usually been a problem in the past since we've had resolutions of monitors supported by apps on Macs from 640/480 to large 2500/1600 external monitors with little problems. But since Retina is a whole new DPI game in town, I just don't want Apple and other app developers to ignore the 90 percent to satisfy the other 10.
 
Does anyone have any idea as to why Apple only released one of these models instead up just updating the whole MacBook Pro lineup to this new form factor and retina display? Does it have anything to do with price discrimination in order to get the most money out of it or did they actually have a reason for only releasing it in one 15" model?

Business 101.

At this point Retina displays are not available in large scale production yet, same as SSDs.

As ALL manufacturers switch to these displays factories will abandon the older technologies and increase capacities for these displays.

Only then will things get cheaper.
 
I "love" these adds when it want to show ho thin it is by not lighting the bottom part of MacBook :)
 
It's awesome laptop but a bit too expensive for my taste.

And hats off to Apple for including an HDMI port! :D
 
I think $1199 would be hard to reach with a Retina display.

The retina screen costs Apple about 160 dollars. Ordinary screens costs about 60 dollars.

Apple can charge high price since there is no competition if you want a high resolution display.

And to the people who complain about the price: Remember the original Air? It was also expensive. It takes time to make tooling and parts cheap. Give it some time and we will see retina thru the entire Apple computer lines.

For me: Computers have been fast enough since Core duo. Today CPU performance is not a reason to upgrade your computer. You need a new experience to sell a new computer. The retina display is that feature.

Resolution independence is a huge leap in computers. Probably the biggest leap since 3DFX graphics cards in 1997.
 
Some people are of the school of thought that you shouldn't buy revA. My question would be

1. What other RevA MBP's have had issues?
2. When is RevB usually released?
3. Assume it's worth waiting for release of Mountain Lion, so it ships with it?
 
Does anyone have any idea as to why Apple only released one of these models instead up just updating the whole MacBook Pro lineup to this new form factor and retina display? Does it have anything to do with price discrimination in order to get the most money out of it or did they actually have a reason for only releasing it in one 15" model?

Good question, unlike the fangirls I think they are been smart about it. Taking their time to see what is in demand and what no one cares any more to have. Depending on sales of the older model no Retina Apple will kill off those in the coming months if no one really wants them.

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LOL. That's funny. Here in Europe the apple stores are empty. It's summer vacations, nobody cares about a new laptop, people are more interested in ....life.

Or they have run out of money from what I have been reading?:rolleyes:

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The Retina Macbook looks pretty freakin' awesome. But since its cheapest version is $2200 and out of the price range for 90 percent of Macbook customers, I hope the "90 percenters" don't get their own regular Mac experience hosed over by Apple and application makers by trying to appease two masters.

For example, I see a report that the Google Chrome browser looks like doodoo with pixel doubling on a Macbook Retina. What I don't want to see is Google try to "fix" its app for Macbook Retina and then turn it into a doodoo experience for regular Mac users.

Normally, that hasn't usually been a problem in the past since we've had resolutions of monitors supported by apps on Macs from 640/480 to large 2500/1600 external monitors with little problems. But since Retina is a whole new DPI game in town, I just don't want Apple and other app developers to ignore the 90 percent to satisfy the other 10.

Google looks like doodoo because they are not compliant with Apple OS X. So they will need to update or get compliance. That Googles issue, I use safari so I will not have that issue. Neither will anyone not using Chrome.:D
 
Does anyone have any idea as to why Apple only released one of these models instead up just updating the whole MacBook Pro lineup to this new form factor and retina display? Does it have anything to do with price discrimination in order to get the most money out of it or did they actually have a reason for only releasing it in one 15" model?

They would have had to increase the price of the whole line in order to do that. The SSD and new Display are too expensive to keep the current pricing model of the regular MacBook Pro lineup.

That said, the retina MacBook Pro likely has a huge markup on it right now, Apple wants to see exactly how much it's customers are willing to shell out for the new shiny MacBook Pro. Give it 6-months to a year, and Apple will hit a wall where they aren't selling many units as they'd like because of the price. At that point, you'll see the price come down. They've done this with the iPhone, iMac, etc.

Remember, they've marketed this as the next generation MacBook Pro which infers that this new design is intended to replace the current models. Since they can't match the price of the current models yet, it's going to be a slow transition.
 
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Not many people who are watching that commercial are going to want to blow $2199 on a 15" laptop
 
Unless of course the ad is filmed and edited in less then 24 hours, which is doubtful.

If by doubtful, you mean easy and likely. I work in video production so I know how these things go... Apple probably told them "hey, we're going to have updated Macbook Pros, and will be doing a commercial quickly. Be ready to shoot one." Then Apple does the on-screen demo ahead of time. All they have to do is show up with the video of the demo and the laptop, it would take maybe 30 minutes to shoot, 6 or so hours to do the compositing/editing/voiceover/color correction/etc, a few hours to render all the necessary formats, a few hours to transfer to the TV networks for broadcast... I could see this commercial being turned around in 12 hours or so, by a team of 5 people or fewer. Easily.
 
In fact, the retina display is actually priced less that the regular MBP. Upgrade the low end 15" to a 256 SSD and 8GB RAM and it is actually $200 more than the low end retina MBP. Either Apple is selling the retinas at a very good price or they overcharge for upgrades.
If you upgrade the RAM and add the SSD from a reputable third-party, the conventional MBP is still $100 cheaper than the retina MBP.
 
Does anyone have any idea as to why Apple only released one of these models instead up just updating the whole MacBook Pro lineup to this new form factor and retina display? Does it have anything to do with price discrimination in order to get the most money out of it or did they actually have a reason for only releasing it in one 15" model?

I have no idea, but I know that I would've bought a 13" version of this in a heartbeat. Not that the Air isn't suitable, but I'd love to see a more powerful 13" version of the Air with a Retina display.

I think $1199 would be hard to reach with a Retina display.

Not with a 13" at all.

I'm not sure it's related to the number of pixels or if statistically Apple determined it wasn't to their advantage to create a 17" model.

I think Apple is just going to hold off on the 17" like they did when they moved to Intel and again when they moved to the unibody design. The 17" always gave us a port or two more, better cooling, and was just all around a faster machine even compared to it's 15" counterpart.

Apple could do so much with that space and still make it thin. A Retina 17 MBP would be FREAKING AMAZING with 17" of high resolution glory. Users would get the screen size, AND the resolution to boot. Not to mention it would be the lightest 17" on the market still.

I'd pay $2999 starting price for that in a heartbeat.
 
yet they can fit a fairly complex high res screen in an ipad, and a much larger battery, than hte previous year, and keep it at the same price.


If you configure the base macbook pro (non-retina) to match the standard specs of the retina version (8GB memory, 256GB SSD), it's actually $200 more than the retina version.

So Apple isn't making much money at all on the display. Apple charges ridiculous amounts for memory and SSD upgrades, so it's basically a wash.
 
why Apple only released one of these models instead up just updating the whole MacBook Pro lineup to this new form factor and retina display?

I'm thinking Apple wants to split each line into new & old models. Customers unwilling to pay a premium for latest tech will have the option of 1 year older hardware. Obvious example: iPad 2 is still around, at $100 off. This better covers the "I just want a ___" vs "shut up and take my money" disparity of customers.

That said, an otherwise equivalent MBP non-retina costs $200 more than a MBP Retina. So I'm confused.
 
I agree. I was hoping the New Macbook Pro with the tune of $1799 original price. While I love the retina screen, if the price could be reduced by using the older 1680x1050 hi-res display panel; I would choose that instead. It's just difficult to justify the $2200 price tag.

Don't forget the extra $350 for AppleCare.
 
Yes.

It's because this is a product that's meant to set the stage for a transition. Transitioning away from not having optical drives, no ethernet port, thinner profile. And the screen is new so it's expensive.

Apple wants the prices to drop for the screen production, so they can replace their existing lineup, not augment it. Maintaining a product-line that has two symmetric sets of Mac book pros (2 13" models and 2 15" models) is more expensive and in-efficient for Apple's focus and desire for having quickly moving inventory. The more variations you have of a product the more complex and greater the in-efficiencies.

This laptop allows a platform and runway for the software to catchup to retina screens and for ethernet and optical to have time to become even more irrelevant. In about 1-2 years apple will discontinue the thicker MacBooks and replace the line completely with the new thinner model at a better price point.

While I agree the product line is in transition, it creates a problem for the knowledgable Mac consumer. What will the final Macbook Pro options be? Will we see a 17" Retina MacBook Pro? A 13"? Something else entirely?

I'm not buying until I know what all my options are. I'm willing to wait, especially if I have to shell out that kind of dough to get one of these.
 
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