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You are in the vocal minority.
I and many like the new change.
He's actually in the majority. Most hate the change.
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You can turn off the ask to join and solve your 1st issue with the popups. And you are not "forced" to do anything as you can still turn off wifi and BT any time you want from the settings app.
Here's why this is not a solution... when I am barely within range of a known network, it still wastes battery life trying to connect to a network that will not give me better speed than 4g LTE. I run into this problem multiple times every day. It was fine before and it has seemed it was only changed for the few and far between watch and pen users.
 
Help!

I am running iOS 11.2 on iPhone SE 64GB and am getting a message saying "a new iOS update is now available, please update from the iOS 11 beta"
It's happening every time I unlock my phone and is very annoying.
Checking for software update shows 11.2 up to date.
How do I fix this? Never encounted this before.
 
He's actually in the majority. Most hate the change.
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Here's why this is not a solution... when I am barely within range of a known network, it still wastes battery life trying to connect to a network that will not give me better speed than 4g LTE. I run into this problem multiple times every day. It was fine before and it has seemed it was only changed for the few and far between watch and pen users.
Not sure I am following why turning off wifi via settings is not a solution. Anyway I am glad they now have both options available. One for folks who like the simple disconnect and one for those who still want to turn it completely off for various reasons.
 
My iphone 6s could not activated after hard reset plz help me ??

I ran into that issue when my phone was not registered with the apple dev portal. Seems Apple enforces the requirement only for the early dev-only betas. I had forgotten to update my registration after replacing a phone.

Yes, but ... it's been randomised since iOS8 when the phone is just searching around for wifi networks.

https://9to5mac.com/2014/09/26/more...ndomization-feature-works-and-when-it-doesnt/

So, all the panic posts about needing to turn wifi off to stop tracking are a distraction.

Even Apple's implementation of MAC randomization is close to worthless (used to be better than it is now), so it's a real issue:

https://arxiv.org/abs/1703.02874v1
 
You can turn off the ask to join and solve your 1st issue with the popups. And you are not "forced" to do anything as you can still turn off wifi and BT any time you want from the settings app. And if you have 3D touch enabled device even quicker than the CC using 3D touch.

You can see the data if you read through the many iOS 11 x threads here on this topic. Including several good posts as to why this behavior is better than the old way.
In other words, if we have a vehicle ignition switch that switched to off is not actually turning on the car, that is a good design because people getting into the car is going to drive it?
What kind of logic is that?
So if I turn off the webcam on the iMac and the thing may still actually be on, that would be a very slippery slope.
 
In other words, if we have a vehicle ignition switch that switched to off is not actually turning on the car, that is a good design because people getting into the car is going to drive it?
What kind of logic is that?
So if I turn off the webcam on the iMac and the thing may still actually be on, that would be a very slippery slope.
This isn't the equivalent of a vehicle ignition switch.
 
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Actually, there is no way for you to know this. Most don't even understand the change. Of those that do, many appreciate it, and just aren't vocal about it.

Finally, someone talking sense about this issue rather than the ‘everyone hates it’ ‘everyone loves it’ crap that some are spouting!!
 
In other words, if we have a vehicle ignition switch that switched to off is not actually turning on the car, that is a good design because people getting into the car is going to drive it?
What kind of logic is that?
So if I turn off the webcam on the iMac and the thing may still actually be on, that would be a very slippery slope.
Huh? That makes no since and is a horrible analogy. :) Ok here's the skinny, the CC option is NOT an on/off switch (like your car ignition switch), its a disconnect/reconnect switch to disconnect the current connection. The on/off switch (like your vehicle ignition) would be the actual switches in settings for Wi-Fi and BT. (the little green on/off slide buttons).
 
Help!

I am running iOS 11.2 on iPhone SE 64GB and am getting a message saying "a new iOS update is now available, please update from the iOS 11 beta"
It's happening every time I unlock my phone and is very annoying.
Checking for software update shows 11.2 up to date.
How do I fix this? Never encounted this before.
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Even I was having same problem of software update pop up, work around is to simply remove the beta profile, restart and reinstall profile again. Then you are good to go
 
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Even I was having same problem of software update pop up, work around is to simply remove the beta profile, restart and reinstall profile again. Then you are good to go

Thank you, have done that and now so far so good!
 
Huh? That makes no since and is a horrible analogy. :) Ok here's the skinny, the CC option is NOT an on/off switch (like your car ignition switch), its a disconnect/reconnect switch to disconnect the current connection. The on/off switch (like your vehicle ignition) would be the actual switches in settings for Wi-Fi and BT. (the little green on/off slide buttons).
So what exactly is the rationale to change the function, when it is simply expected to be an on/off switch?
 
So what exactly is the rationale to change the function, when it is simply expected to be an on/off switch?
Perhaps many people used it more along the lines of a (temporary) disconnect and would then need to remember to manually enable it again potentially often forgetting to do it (and then running through more of their mobile data without realizing it and/or not having things work as seamlessly and automatically as they otherwise would when they would try to use some Bluetooth device or some functionality like Handoff or Continuity or AirPlay or AirDrop, etc.)?
 
That's not true... You will simply need to install 11.2 on your iPhone X when you get it. On Friday the 11.2 beta will be available.
In theory it's still an extra step, as you can't just go straight to a restore — you have to set up the iPhone as a "new" iPhone so that you can first install the beta profile and update to the iOS 11.2 beta, and then you'll have to reset the iPhone back to factory settings and start over so you can restore your iCloud backup.

Mind you, the iPhone X I got came with iOS 11.0.1 so it's kind of moot anyway — I still had to set it up as new just to get the released iOS 11.1 update on there.

However, it's even worse than that, as the iOS 11.2 beta isn't even available for the iPhone X yet. Hopefully it will appear sometime today, but as of right now, if you've got an older iPhone that you've already updated to the iOS 11.2 beta, you won't be able to restore your current backup — you'll either have to fall back to an older one from before iOS 11.2 or set up the iPhone X as a new iPhone.
 
In theory it's still an extra step, as you can't just go straight to a restore — you have to set up the iPhone as a "new" iPhone so that you can first install the beta profile and update to the iOS 11.2 beta, and then you'll have to reset the iPhone back to factory settings and start over so you can restore your iCloud backup.

Mind you, the iPhone X I got came with iOS 11.0.1 so it's kind of moot anyway — I still had to set it up as new just to get the released iOS 11.1 update on there.

However, it's even worse than that, as the iOS 11.2 beta isn't even available for the iPhone X yet. Hopefully it will appear sometime today, but as of right now, if you've got an older iPhone that you've already updated to the iOS 11.2 beta, you won't be able to restore your current backup — you'll either have to fall back to an older one from before iOS 11.2 or set up the iPhone X as a new iPhone.

The workaround is to downgrade the old phone to 11.1.
I did so without loosing data by holding "Alt" when clicking Update on iTunes.

I was totally wrong and I apologize for spreading wrong information. Downgrading, backing up with iTunes and restoring to my iPhone X worked, so I hope it will work for all of you stuck because of me.
 
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https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208086

This has been discussed at length in other threads (maybe the beta threads) but that support doc gives some rational as to why they added that feature. Several folks have also outlined real world cases where this is actually better.
So the time of Apple's products are so intuitive are gone. We need to have support documents to tell the user an On/Off switch is not what they think it is.
What has the world come to now...
If the WiFi fan shaped icon is not there, then they are not connected to WiFi, same with the Bluetooth when the icon is dimmed or not. What is so confusing...?
 
So the time of Apple's products are so intuitive are gone. We need to have support documents to tell the user an On/Off switch is not what they think it is.
What has the world come to now...
If the WiFi fan shaped icon is not there, then they are not connected to WiFi, same with the Bluetooth when the icon is dimmed or not. What is so confusing...?
And things had to be explained about all kinds of things back in the days of the original iPhone too. There were manuals and plenty of how-to articles around then too. Seems like a rather moot aspect of it.
 
The workaround is to downgrade the old phone to 11.1. I did so without loosing data by holding "Alt" when clicking Update on iTunes.
I haven't tried it yet, but I've heard a few reports from folks suggesting that they lost activity and health data by doing this, and one person even lost their iCloud keychain — and therefore their saved passwords and HomeKit configuration.
 
I haven't tried it yet, but I've heard a few reports from folks suggesting that they lost activity and health data by doing this, and one person even lost their iCloud keychain — and therefore their saved passwords and HomeKit configuration.
So to follow up on this, it appears that the Health and Activity data does get stuck in limbo on the device that you downgrade to iOS 11.1, but as long as it's synced to iCloud (the "Health" switch is on in your iCloud settings), it will sync back down onto the iPhone X once you've restored the iOS 11.1 backup onto it.

Who knows, it might even eventually show up on the original downgraded iOS 11.1 device, but I saw no indication that this was happening. The difference of course being that with the downgraded device, there's already data there that it has to reconcile, but this data isn't part of the iCloud backup, so it's not going to end up on the new device as part of the base restore.
 
And things had to be explained about all kinds of things back in the days of the original iPhone too. There were manuals and plenty of how-to articles around then too. Seems like a rather moot aspect of it.
It would be better if the phone would display something to let the user know.
I turn those off all the time because sometimes I am stuck with crappy WiFi at work and wants to get the email sent right away and don't mind using data.
 
I turn those off all the time because sometimes I am stuck with crappy WiFi at work and wants to get the email sent right away and don't mind using data.
I do the same, but this is where I actually like the new design, since I don’t have to remember to turn it back on when I get home.
 
I do the same, but this is where I actually like the new design, since I don’t have to remember to turn it back on when I get home.
But, I never forget to turn it back on once I am done...
So this design actually creeps me out when I am expecting the WiFi/Bluetooth are OFF but they are actually still ON. Who knows who is out there sniffing...
 
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