Apple Releases iMacs

[MorganX]

Re: Re: not crap

Originally posted by nuckinfutz


Are you really as stupid as you sound. FW800 "Prosumer?" Where'd you pull that shiza from. You sound like an Assimilate Apple Apologist(AAA).

I don't know why I'm responding to this, but as a non Apple Apologist, who finds strenghths and weaknesses in both platforms, what would you run on FW800 today if you had it? Are you upset that there are no FW800 cards available for PCs?

 

[yzedf]

Originally posted by LethalWolfe


He's looking for stripped down tower to buy (case, mobo, proc, and PS only) so he can take the video card, RAM, and HDDs outta his current rig and put it in the stripped down tower.


Lethal

aka - barebones

yet another reason PC guys don't switch. lack of choice.

 

[Dont Hurt Me]

Originally posted by Abercrombieboy


Well I am not trying to be that dense. I was like WOW when I saw the new 1Ghz iMac, thinking that must really haul ass, then after I read what a lot of people on here, I am left with the impression that the new iMac = an Atari.

But I am going to try one out at the local Apple retailer when they come in. I might go for one if I can come up with the cash. Stat wise they look awesome. I think the price is not too bad either. I paid about $1,400 for my iMac DV so these are not way out of line.

That atari comment makes me think that your 400dv is probably more computer then you will ever need! What the heck are you rambling about atari for!-WAKE UP! The 1 giger imac is for all practical purpose a powermac with super cool styling and a 17"display to go with it! OF coarse they are awsome!It will be so much faster then your dv you wont believe it.Start listening to the power-mac users and stop listening to the peecee'rs out there who have new imac envy!

 

[Dont Hurt Me]

Originally posted by e-coli


well....i don't know how else to say this...but...you're completely wrong, and a total apple cultists if this is the way you truly feel.

Apple _is_ floundering in its efforts to differentiate its product lines. That much is dead obvious, and needs little explanation. Why else would they put a chip in a _NEW_ computer (Apple's flagship computer) that is only 300 MHz faster than the ORIGINAL CHIP DESIGN when they have much faster chips? It's simply because if they did use a chip with an acceptable speed, it would be identical to their "pro" line. The pro line doesn't truly support DDR or higher BUS speeds, so the only thing they can do to differentiate the lines is to put a 1.5 year old chip into the "consumer" model.

Also, I hardly feel responsible for Apple's decision to put all their faith in the efforts of a single chip maker who barely makes any chips presently. They are miserbly far behind PC's, at a higher price point. People should demand performance that isn't being dusted by other makers...especially at this price point.

Apple still builds the best consumer computers bar none,also i would take a 1 giger mac over any 2.4 intel machine 7 days a week! Sure motorola has not advanced as fast as they should have,thats a given! But still there is nothing in the wintel world that can compare to the new 1 giger imac when you look at the complete machine,how its built,what it can do,how easy it is to operate,resell value,software,style etc.--Face it macs are just cooler and better!

 

[yzedf]

Originally posted by mass
I will agree with people that the low end should've been maintained at $1199 if not dropped to magic price point of $999. Apple essentially dropped the price of the 15" combo model by $200 with virtually no improvements except a 7200 rpm drive mechanism. Considering the lack of improvements made to this model, a $300 price drop would be more appropriate, if not more.

The high-end 17" model also receieved a $200 price drop but comes with an improved feature set. Cpu speed increase from 800mhz to 1ghz. System bus increase from 100mhz to 133mhz. Video ram increase from 32meg to 64 meg. Upgrade from 5400 rpm to 7200 rpm(also for the 15"). Upgrade from ata 66 to ata 100. Upgrade to AE ready. Optional bluetooth built-in. Upgrade on superdrive from 2x to 4x. A worthy set of improvements IMHO. It certainly improves the price value ratio on the machine.

Clearly, this is yet another case of Apple not getting it. Apparently the only switchers apple seems interested in getting are the well-heeled kind, with lots of disposeable income.

Exactly. The real switchers are those running Pentium2 200MHz machines that can't upgarde to WinXP or Office XP. They see the ads for $499 Dells, hear someone mention Apple, see the prices, and go buy a Dell. That is the market right now.

As for us that appreciate modern hardware... the new iMacs have finally made it past 1999 PC specs. Who cares? I can spend $1799 for a Gateway (blech) with a 533MHz system bus, UltraATA hdd, smoking fast DDR (unlike Apples), freestanding 17" LCD, DVD burner, 1 AGP and 3 PCI slots, etc etc

Why should someone buy the iMac? If you want to upgrade the hardware later on (motherboard/CPU/vid card) you can't really do it. Bigger hdd, more RAM you can do... anything else is unlikely.

Signed,
yzedf (wants iBook)

 

[yzedf]

Originally posted by MacBoyX
It is giving you everything it has to give at this point. What more can you expect? Goodness last year everyone was praying for a 1GHz chip now that you have it in almost every model line (hang on folks rumours say the G4 iBook is on it's way) we are complaining about prices.

Huh. 1GHz sucks when you look over at machines with DUAL 1.42GHz

1.25GHz woulda been nice. It's still a single proc dude...

 

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by possible switch
Okay, I'm a poor college student with a Dell Insprion 4000 that blue screens at least 5-10 times a day. It runs hot. It's slow. I never carry it anywhere. It doesn't like to let me multi-task.

I was in the market for a new iMac. I almost bought the old low end iMac before I stumbled across macrumors.com. I've since waited patiently for upgrades. FINALLY, they're here. I just don't know what to do though.

The 15 inch one is just the old model, but cheaper. The middle-of-the-line one calls my name, but I don't have $1800 for the computer, $200 for Office X, and the extra bucks for a memory upgrade because 256 seems low.

I have about $1600 I'm willing to spend, but on a low end model that is now working on its second year?

*sigh* I guess I have no choice but to stay in the PC world. I haven't had much time to think about it, but I feel like I'd just be wasting my money by buying an iMac.

**I've heard too many bad things about screens and stuff on the eMacs and simply don't have room for something that size in my dormitory setup.**

Just get yourself an iBook and be gone .

NicoMan

 

[awinn233]

horrified

I'm only a high school student, 15, trying to save up for a new iMac (my parents won't pay for it), and was waiting for lower prices and new technology I thought Apple would definantly include (like bluetooth, Airport Extreme, DDR, FW 800), but that didn't happen and now I think i'll stick with my PC for a little while longer. With $100 more for basically 100mhz on the low end, and without any new technology, I can no longer afford a new iMac, and am looking at the G3 iMacs, or old G4 iMacs! I was excited about what the updates would bring, now I don't really want one anymore.

Dissapointed,
"Switcher" who changed his mind because he couldn't afford it.

 

[Flowbee]

Re: Re: 10+ hrs + imovie 3 = Disaster

Originally posted by geocave



I am probably going to wind up using Final Cut Express, but I am curious about the iMovie 3 bashing. Is it really that bad?

iMovie 3 runs just fine on my G4 Cube. This is not to say that some people aren't having problems with it... just not everyone.

Best advice is to visit a mac retailer and try it for yourself.

 

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by Abercrombieboy


Well this looks like it might perform a little better. I would like to order the new 1Ghz 17" iMac. Does anyone know what type of a difference I will see moving from a 400Mhz iMac DV? I have lost so much faith in Apple when I read the message boards, many times I am not sure if they are moving ahead or going backwards... ;o(

Is it a good buy or not for someone moving up from a 3 year old iMac???

It should be like night and day... honestly, the difference should be quite big. And it should answer your needs the same way the iMac DV did...

Good luck

NicoMan

 

[nuckinfutz]

Re: Re: Re: not crap

Originally posted by MorganX


I don't know why I'm responding to this, but as a non Apple Apologist, who finds strenghths and weaknesses in both platforms, what would you run on FW800 today if you had it? Are you upset that there are no FW800 cards available for PCs?

Well I was overly harsh but I object to people saying FW800 is for Prosumers or fast Hard Drives. My Proof

http://www.barefeats.com/fire34.html

FW800 in addition to offering twice the theoretical speed of FW400 also offers.

Improved and more efficient Arbitration.
Data Encoding based on Gigabit/Ethernet(important for eventual FW IP networks)

Cabling options with longer maximum lengths.

This would not be an issue if eMacs and iMacs support PCI...they don't so once you've bought into them you're stuck. Apple loves planned obsolesence but that policy is not good for longterm survival. FW800 is a negligle cost increase over FW400

It's bad enought that there's no L3 cache or Airport Extreme as well. These machines will be out in the cold in 2 years...sitting on ebay waiting for some sucker.

 

[QuiteSure]

Re: horrified

Originally posted by awinn233
I'm only a high school student, 15, trying to save up for a new iMac (my parents won't pay for it), and was waiting for lower prices and new technology I thought Apple would definantly include (like bluetooth, Airport Extreme, DDR, FW 800), but that didn't happen and now I think i'll stick with my PC for a little while longer. With $100 more for basically 100mhz on the low end, and without any new technology, I can no longer afford a new iMac, and am looking at the G3 iMacs, or old G4 iMacs! I was excited about what the updates would bring, now I don't really want one anymore.

Dissapointed,
"Switcher" who changed his mind because he couldn't afford it.

Don't be discouraged. You should look into a refurbished computer. You can usually get an excellent bargain for a darn good machine. You don't need to be bleeding edge, just to have a powerful machine that works for you. Regardless of computer specs, your computing experience on one of the last generation apple computers (any of them) will be superior to your computer experience on your pc. Notice I did not say that the mac will be better, only the computing experience. If you are interested in a mac, get one and start living the good life!

 

[jacg]

Re: FC Express

Originally posted by geocave


It also scares me that Final Cut Express may run slow on the iMac. Can anyone comment on this?

I use FCP on my 800Mhz 17" iMac (with an external FW drive) and it runs fine. Interface is tons quicker than iMovie. Just don't expect a lot of realtime effects.

 

[MacBoyX]

Originally posted by yzedf


Huh. 1GHz sucks when you look over at machines with DUAL 1.42GHz

1.25GHz woulda been nice. It's still a single proc dude...

THEN GET A POWERMAC i mean come on guys. This is again what I am saying about wanting everything in all product lines. The iMac is a consumer market machine. If you want 1.25Ghz get a PM MDD. Why are we comparing iMacs to PowerMacs?

Next you're gonna start comparing Apples to Oranges...sorry for the pun.

 

[flyfish29]

iLife + more

I have a couple of things to add to the value discussion concering the high-end iMac.

It is more than a $200 price drop in that you not only are getting a faster machine (bus,mhz,etc.) but you are getting iLife for free ($49 value), more expensive memory (DDR) not to mention double the speed of DVD burning!

I for one would have bought the Superdrive 15" model as I am only going to do limited burning (putting old family slides, pictures, etc. on DVD) and would have had plenty of monitor space to do so with the 15". I am working with an old 15" CRT so a 15" LCD would have seemed like heaven. I will probably end up with the 17" but would have been happier with a $1499-1599 15" superdrive.


I do have a question though: Why did someone say you can't boot up with OS 9 on the new iMac. Isn't it running Jaguar 10.2 just like the older iMacs were?

Another thing to think about is: Your negative posts are pushing people away from Mac...just remember that!

 

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by TyleRomeo
Ohh and for everyone complaining about the price gap issue. Look at it this way.

$999 emac
$1299 iMac
$1499 Power Mac
$1799 17 inch iMac

Uhhh, okay, so you're going to run a PowerMac without a monitor, eh?

Add the cost of a 17" to that PM price and you get $1998. Doesn't work. You guys are better off with the 17 inch iMac.

 

[nickgold]

Re: Re: tools

Originally posted by MorganX


Give me a break. You think all mac users are rich? Do you really believe that anyone not happy with Apple's prices or their recent products are windoze trolls or microsoft marketing execs? Grow up my man.

You grow up, man. I can't afford a BMW. I bought an Echo. I don't make too much money, but I could save up for a Mac if I tried. Does Apple somehow owe it to you to price things inexpensively, even if it means losing money for them? They are a corporation that exists in a (semi)capitalist system. There are there to make money. They charge a specific price for a given thing, based on market pressures. Does the fact that you can't afford one, or do not think it is worth what they are charging, give you the right to beeyatch and moan?

Sure, you have the right, I guess. It's just sort of obnoxious, I suppose.

 

[Dont Hurt Me]

To all you who have been thinking of a new purchase the best advice is to go to your local apple store or dealer and check them out!It may take a week for them to get em in stock but go look at them and see how they perform with whatever you are planning on doing! Those comments about the emac remember that was a new machine, apple has worked out the bugs just remember its a mac!

 

[MacBoyX]

Re: iLife + more

Originally posted by flyfish29
I have a couple of things to add to the value discussion concering the high-end iMac.

It is more than a $200 price drop in that you not only are getting a faster machine (bus,mhz,etc.) but you are getting iLife for free ($49 value), more expensive memory (DDR) not to mention double the speed of DVD burning!

I for one would have bought the Superdrive 15" model as I am only going to do limited burning (putting old family slides, pictures, etc. on DVD) and would have had plenty of monitor space to do so with the 15". I am working with an old 15" CRT so a 15" LCD would have seemed like heaven. I will probably end up with the 17" but would have been happier with a $1499-1599 15" superdrive.


I do have a question though: Why did someone say you can't boot up with OS 9 on the new iMac. Isn't it running Jaguar 10.2 just like the older iMacs were?

Another thing to think about is: Your negative posts are pushing people away from Mac...just remember that!

I agree a 15" superdrive would have been nice.

Starting this January, you cannot boot into OS 9 directly. You boot into OS X and use classic. It is not possible to switch ur startup disk and reboot into 9.

 

[flyfish29]

Re: Re: iLife + more

Originally posted by MacBoyX


I agree a 15" superdrive would have been nice.

Starting this January, you cannot boot into OS 9 directly. You boot into OS X and use classic. It is not possible to switch ur startup disk and reboot into 9.

So how does this really affect me running some older software. Much of the software will be for my kids...things like Math Munchers, etc. that never took too much computing power anyway (will these run in classic?) I do have an old version of Quark (3.2 I believe) that I would like to run but only a few times a year to modify things I have already created in it and don't have a major use for a new version of Quark. Would it run on Classic?


So what revision of Jaguar is not bootable in OS9? 10.2.?

On a side note: There have always been things Apple has done that have not been right, and there will always be things that Apple does that we don't think are right and they end up working. Just remember to give Apple feedback. Your voicing major negative concerns in public forums like this do in fact push people away. If you have a complaint then voice it, but be careful not to push people away.

 

[flyfish29]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
To all you who have been thinking of a new purchase the best advice is to go to your local apple store or dealer and check them out!It may take a week for them to get em in stock but go look at them and see how they perform with whatever you are planning on doing! Those comments about the emac remember that was a new machine, apple has worked out the bugs just remember its a mac!

This is so true! Remember that everyone in this forum has different needs and wants. Many people just want the newest technology and are upset when it is not there (and often times never would have used it in the first place). Then there are the ones who only need basic computing to surf and write letters. Everyone else is in the middle someplace and the best way to find out what you need is talk to someone who is trained to find out your needs and translate that into a machine that will accomplish what you want it to.

 

[possible switch]

LOL I wasn't meant to be a decision maker. If I look at it one way, I'm getting the computer I would have been happy with just a week ago for $200 less, I guess. I can also run it up to 512 MB RAM. I don't need SuperDrive, and I wouldn't know what to do with 17". I abhor notebooks, so this could work out after all. I had to step away from my computer and ask some current college student iMac users because it's true, some of these posts make everything seem like crap by comparing Powermacs to iMacs. Oh how I want to switch! We'll see....

 

[nickgold]

Re: Waitting For the 970...(when) (which)

Originally posted by DrGruv1
I've saved up $2000 for my next computer and still waitting...

I desperately need the power for virtual software synths and samplers for music.

HOW MANY ARE GOING TO BUY 1ST GEN. of the 970?

From my experience, it is better to wait for the the 2nd gen. at get the bugs worked out.. especially on a $2000+ purchase.

I bought a 1st gen G4 450 Sawtooth, and it's been really good to me. And I use a lot of softsynths and plugs on it, too!

 

[yzedf]

Originally posted by MacBoyX


THEN GET A POWERMAC i mean come on guys. This is again what I am saying about wanting everything in all product lines. The iMac is a consumer market machine. If you want 1.25Ghz get a PM MDD. Why are we comparing iMacs to PowerMacs?

Next you're gonna start comparing Apples to Oranges...sorry for the pun.

Both the PowerMac and the iMac are consumer machines. As someone else on this forum has said, there is no "pro" machine in Apple's line. This is a market they have tried to invent to account for their pricing. It's BS.

The XServe is as close as it gets. And that thing flopped, big time. Again, due to Apple not analyzing the market... just wandering in and saying "this is how WE do it..."

 

[yzedf]

Originally posted by possible switch
some of these posts make everything seem like crap by comparing Powermacs to iMacs. Oh how I want to switch! We'll see....

That would be because the iMacs have always been junky wrt PowerMacs.

Sad, but true