Apple Releases iMacs

[jamilecrire]

Originally posted by MorganX


A $2300 PC will drop frames unless you have a $500 video card in it. Game on Xbox.

Horsesh1t I have a AthlonXP 2000+ (1.67Ghz) and a Geforce 4 Ti 4200 64MB and I get 92 fps (lowest rate) in Quake 3 at 1280x960 with all textures on high and running at 32bit. Oh and btw I got it around 9 months ago for Neverwinter Nights (try that on a Mac) since it's all 3D rendered. The whole system cost $800 to build.

Don't compare Apples to PC's because on games there is no comparison. Oh and the XBox only runs at 640x480 so the clarity is really poor (which is why the frame rate is good). And don't be a complete fool and discuss price.

 

[macdiehard]

Originally posted by Gus
What? They didn't put a 2.1Ghz IBM 970 in there? Where's the 256MB DDR Graphics card? And hey, what about that 19" holographic display. Man, I'm really pissed abbout this. Heads will roll in Cupertino!



Regards,
Gus

Yeah and it should be all for $999!

 

[Xerov]

did they fix the L3 cache problem on the g4's in the iMacs?? I heard this is the reason they under-preform..even at the speed they are at (ie: 1ghz iMac not as fast as single CPU 1Ghz PM)

 

[Dont Hurt Me]

I had a buddy just buy a new HP with a 2.4 ghz intel in it. He paid just over 1 grand and i was thinking that it must be cool. Anyways i went over there and looked at this thing and it was garbage-it had the cheapest looking and feeling keyboard i had ever seen with no ports on it! I guess macs just spoil us.The mouse that came with this thing was a rollerball mouse! I didnt even know they still made those considering my wifes 500 imac was optical!the whole system looked like it was made of cheapass plastic(sorry arn) and this thing came with wow 64 mb of video memory but it turned out it was just using 64 of the system memory and had no video card!-So off he goes and buys a newer video card agp for his brand new machine! well it turns out this thing didnt even have a agp slot! only pci! so he took it back for a pci one. Now WOW! a 2.4 p4 INTEL that was wrapped around with pure garbage!I wont even go into the problems he had with all his software which by the way he is chucking most of it!And the games looked like sh_ _! Ill take the new Imacs any day of the week even if i have to pay more! You get what you pay for! The new Imacs are just to cool!--- Just a little story for all the pc weenies out there to who i would say there is more to a computer then just all those specs like OOUUUWHEE 2.4 intel! I think this friend of mine is still trying to figure it out since he has been so quite. If it wasnt for my powermac 800 I would be placing my order today for that 1 giger imac!

 

[frescies]

hmmm...

I must say I am content with this update. The 17" has enough to be a considerable upgrade and the price drop is nice. However, these upgrades aren't fantastic enough for me to kick myself in the a## for getting my 800mhz 17" last November and not waiting. For one thing these new machines aren't OS 9 compatible (IMHO I still think OS 9 is essential for the crap I use on my computer) and the 200mhz update isn't enough to make me upset about not waiting to ditch OS 9.

Man I'm such a cliche upgrade hater. I dont have the willpower to wait for anything that's not first generation and I still get upset when Big, affordable, Upgrades come along (mostly at myself).

I think the best addition to this upgrade is definately the 64megs of vram. 32 sometimes doesn't cut it in some of my games.

Mark my words everyone!!!! I will find a way to upgrade the graphics in the FP imac! I weild a soldering iron like a sword, but with the finess of a hummingbird!!!

 

[copperpipe]

For those looking to switch...

remember that this board is for Mac-Nerds, who get so wrapped up in the world of Mac, that we lose perspective on the big picture. So if you're thinking about a new Mac, remember that 90% of the people complaining here LOOOOOVE their machines and would never go back to a PC. We just want Apple to do so much, not to mention these rumor sites get us all strung out.


Anyway, I want to say that when Apple came out with the new imac, they lost the ability to make low priced consumer machines. The new imac, look at it - it a marvel of engineering with a flat screen that swivels! READ - NOT A BUDGET MACHINE. And that's what I think Apple is missing out on. Now we do have the emac, which is cool, and is more appropriate the next imac. But, IMHO, it's not as affordable and friendly as the original imac. I say, and this will never happen, bring the old imac back with a kick @ss G3 and sell it for $699!

Cp

 

[macdiehard]

Cool enough for me

I am pretty happy with the new config, and will probably go for a $1799 with a Ram upgrade (which you can usually get for free anyway from mail order houses.

Honestlly I am getting by fine with most of day to day tasks on G3 225 Mhz so I am hardly going to complain about the performance.

What I like about this upgrade is: 1ghz and audio line in.

I like this machine:
- Great erogonomics - I often view web sites with another colleague.
- Great screen
- Great drives, DVD R is very handy for backups and storage

I think it's a great machine for small businesses.

High speed doesn't always mean more productivity, think how much time we spend on this chat board. That's all lost productivity. I admit it that if you are vid pro or gamer or whatever than it might matter.

 

[Xerov]

I know its kind of an odd request but does anyone know where I could but a single 1ghz or maybe even dual 1.25 without any ram, Hard drive, or video card...I already have these parts that are mac compatable and do not wist to 'Repurcase them'

 

[yosoyjay]

Re: Re: Not good.

Originally posted by NicoMan

Sorry but the high end DOES has 1GB.

It can have 1GB. It ships with 256MB.

BOLLOCKS!!!
What are you talking about? It makes a difference. Especially if you have low RAM, because your system uses the hard drive to page memory.
I think you are confusing the difference between a 7200rpm on ATA-100 and a 7200rpm on an ATA-133 (which is inexistant) and our problem.

I'm not here to bash you but what you just said doesn't feel right at all...

NicoMan

Your absolutely correct, it does make a difference but not necessarily a perceivable difference in the responsiveness of the system. On this point I was commenting from personal experience where I had replaced a 5400rpm hard drive with a 7200rpm. I was never able to perceive a difference but the system benchmarks improved by over 10%... I have a few friends that have had similar experiences as well.

I don't even think a 7200rpm hard drive with a 8MB cache can saturate ATA-100 during bursts so ATA-133 is not a problem.

 

[iShater]

Originally posted by Abercrombieboy
I would like to get one of the 17" 1Ghz iMacs to replace my old iMac DV 400, but after reading all the complaints I don't think I will get one. It sounds like it won't have much better performance then my older iMac. ;o(

Don't listen to the whining. Go check out the machines yourself

 

[wbragg17]

Re: (Very) Potential Switcher

Originally posted by Squire


You have it almost bang on. Although I don't care so much about hardware specs so much as reliability. I will be an "adder" as one news article put it. (Apparently, a good portion of the "switchers" are people buying a Mac to add to their computer arsenal as opposed to complete switchers.)

I use my PC for surfing the Net, listening to tunes, and organizing my digital photos. Windows is just wayyy to unreliable to have my music library and photos of my 14-month old kid. (Gotta learn to back things up more, I guess.) I also have a DV camcorder. In short, I want Apple's Digital Hub. (BTW, bought a 15" iMac for the folks last summer and thought it was great.)

However, with an iMac I don't think I can play online games with PC friends. (Virtual PC? I dunno.) I would continue to do that with my PC and use it as a "quarantine station" for any Net downloads.

Now I just have to decide WHICH digital hub I want.

Squire

I guess that makes me an "adder" as well. I was hesitant about the 'speed', but the overall user-bility with ilife and overall design is what I am after. It's hard not to want the fastest/most powerful, but in reality, it's not necessary for me. It's never been necessary for me - I am back in grad school, but have also been and Information Systems Manager, amongst other things.

Just ordered the new 17" CB IMac, and I for one am very happy - seems to be shipping in 5-7days.

As far as gaming goes, I don't know that I would even buy a computer with gaming as my primary purpose, and less so a Mac, I guess. But I can't speak to that really.

Overall, very happy, switcher/adder or whatever label I need.

William

 

[MorganX]

Re: tools

Originally posted by nickgold
Most of you peeps are tools. This new iMac is a nice bump, and it's cheaper. wtf are you whining about?! I think 80% of this board are windoze trolls or microsoft marketing execs, sometimes. Gimme a break.

Give me a break. You think all mac users are rich? Do you really believe that anyone not happy with Apple's prices or their recent products are windoze trolls or microsoft marketing execs? Grow up my man.

 

[iShater]

Originally posted by geocave
Ordered the 17" with 512MB (One Chip) Bluetooth and Airport Extreme. Can't wait.

I'm a switcher. I'm a data network engineer. I was an MCSE (let it lapse). I am a CNE5, a CCNP (Cisco) and a CCDP (Cisco). Work heavily with Microsoft stuff and hate it. Love Unix and Linux.

Looking forward to finally editing 10+ hours of videotape.

Looking forward to organizing 2-3 GBs worth of photos.

Looking forward to organizing 8 GBs worth of music.

Looking forward to my wife not having to call me 2-3 times a day asking for help with the computer.

Rock on! I am sure you will love it.

 

[Dont Hurt Me]

Originally posted by Xerov
I know its kind of an odd request but does anyone know where I could but a single 1ghz or maybe even dual 1.25 without any ram, Hard drive, or video card...I already have these parts that are mac compatable and do not wist to 'Repurcase them'

you need to rephrase what the heck you are trying to say cause i read it twice and still have not figured it out?

 

[MorganX]

Originally posted by jamilecrire


Horsesh1t I have a AthlonXP 2000+ (1.67Ghz) and a Geforce 4 Ti 4200 64MB and I get 92 fps (lowest rate) in Quake 3 at 1280x960 with all textures on high and running at 32bit. Oh and btw I got it around 9 months ago for Neverwinter Nights (try that on a Mac) since it's all 3D rendered. The whole system cost $800 to build.

Putting on my boots. And I though the Mac fanatics were the only one's living lies.

I didn't say you couldn't get 92fps. I said you will drop frame rates and you will. I have a 128MB Ti4200, 1GB DDR, and a 2GHz PIV. I can get over 100fps in Quake. And there are times when it drops frames. You are not getting a constant 92fps except on a benchmark.

And PC games are suffering from resolutionitis. Good artists will take more color over resolution any day. I'll put the Xbox on HDTV against any PC game today. And I'll put DOA 3, on a regular flat screen sony Vega against anything on the PC for performance and visual quality. Judge with your eyeballs, not specs.

 

[JW Pepper]

Re: Lame-O

Originally posted by robguz
GF2, no FW 800, no Airport Extreme on the 15", 100 MHz bus on the low end. No L3 even on the high end. Last week I played around with the 17" 800 at an Apple Store. It was embarrasingly slow. 15% faster is ridiculous after an entire year. Even the GF4 MX, which is really a slightly better GF2, is just lame.

the 15" needs to be $999, the 17" needs to be $1499. Both need L3 caches, and the high end needs 512MB and a 120MB HD. Both need FW 800. Apple is so far behind on the MHz wars, that they need to throw in all the bells and whistles. Seriously, why not a GF4 Ti on the 17" model? In the quantities Apple buys, it can't be that expensive, especially for a year old, soon to be obsolete chip.

Apple gets it wrong again.

You seem to have ignored the bus speed is now 133mhz and DDR ram. I agree with you regarding the high end HD 120GB minimium partically as these machines are designed as video editing stations for homne users. By the time you have ripped your CD collection and added a couple of hours of DV footage you are out of space.

 

[possible switch]

I have considered the eMac, but given my living arrangements both at home and school, it's simply not practical a practical size. It wouldn't fit on my desk. I have friends with the old G3 iMacs, and let's just say they don't have a desk. My laptop is the perfect size, and the iMac footprint wouldn't be any more intrusive. I'm still considering that low end iMac. I wouldn't know what to do with a 17" screen anyway.

It's gotta be better than my Insprion, right? Hopefully it would last longer than 2 years too.

 

[reyesmac]

Apple, once step forward, two steps back.

Apple is lowering prices at the cost of not advancing the platform. Can they do anything right these days?
I think Steve declared this to be the "year of the notebook" because he knew not many people would buy these underpowered overpriced macs their rolling out these days.
A little bus tweeking and L3 cache adding would make a 1ghz iMac easier to buy.

Think about this, the $699 17in display apple sells is bigger and better than the 17in screen on the imac. If you subtract the cost of this screen from the imac then you get $1,100. Apple makes a profit on the $699, and since the iMacs screen is smaller than that, that means that $699 pays for the superdrive and the screen on the imac. Now, is $1,100 worth what you get? NO WAY!!! Not when there are other Apple computers that give you more for your money.

 

[praetorian_x]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
EMAC!

No. EMACs. The one true editor.

All your base,
prat

 

[DakotaGuy]

Originally posted by Backtothemac


Yea, his old DV will do about 200 million instructions per second, and the new iMac somewhere in the neighborhood of 4 billion.

Man, are people really this dense?

Well I am not trying to be that dense. I was like WOW when I saw the new 1Ghz iMac, thinking that must really haul ass, then after I read what a lot of people on here, I am left with the impression that the new iMac = an Atari.

But I am going to try one out at the local Apple retailer when they come in. I might go for one if I can come up with the cash. Stat wise they look awesome. I think the price is not too bad either. I paid about $1,400 for my iMac DV so these are not way out of line.

 

[nickmcghie]

Originally posted by praetorian_x


Totally agree. Only fanboys could be impressed with these updates. (The ultimate iMac for $2,348.00? Are they f**king insane? You could get a dual 2 ghz Xeon with a FIRE graphics card plus a 17 inch flatpanel from dell for that!)

*Yawn* Wake me up when the 970 is released...

Cheers,
prat

oh my gosh i couldnt agree more

i mean come on 256 ram for the the 1799 model?? thats absolutely ridiculous they should have included at least a MINIMUM of 512 for even the low end model!!! most PC desktops that cost more than about $800 nowadays already have 512

and an extra $550 for an an additional 768 of ram and bluetooth and airport extreme?? thats also ridiculous airport extreme card is $99 and bluetooth cant be more than $49 so theyre basically charging FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR AN ADDITIONAL 768 OF RAM

theyre still using geforce 2mx?? that card is like 3 yrs old the low end model should use at least the geforece 4mx and the high end models should use geforce 4ti or radeon 9000 pro

and hard drive size?? 60GB for low end is acceptable but 80GB in a 2349 machine is ridiculous. for the extra FOUR HUNDRED dollars they charged for the 768 of ram they shouldve upgraded the hard drive to AT LEAST 120 gigs

i cant tell you how incredibly disappointed i am and i think this is probably apples worst product update in many years

 

[chubakka]

isn't obvious?

The 15" iMac didn't get a big refresh because it'll be phased out... the iMac will eventually come only in 17 inches... a combo drive version, a superdrive version... and a tricked out top of the line version.

Why are people complaining about no superdrive 15" iMac? Spend the extra $500 and get the bigger screen, faster and bigger hard drive, more ram and better video and a superdrive! oh yeah... and a a 200 Mhz faster chip and a faster bus. oh and a Geforce 4mx versus a 2mx.

buncha whiners.

If you are considering the tricked out 17" imac you should look at the $1500 tower... with a 17" Studio display... That's $2200.

 

[nuckinfutz]

These machines are turds

Totally pathetic is what I'm seeing here.

Apple can't even standardize on FW800 their own homegrown technology.

Bluetooth...so what. There's no Killer Bluetooth app.

Miniscule processor updates. No L3 cache.

These are clearly "stopgap" machines...or at least I'm hoping so. Because this is NOT "Strong Product" .

 

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
you need to rephrase what the heck you are trying to say cause i read it twice and still have not figured it out?

He's looking for stripped down tower to buy (case, mobo, proc, and PS only) so he can take the video card, RAM, and HDDs outta his current rig and put it in the stripped down tower.


Lethal

 

[Dont Hurt Me]

Re: Apple, once step forward, two steps back.

Originally posted by reyesmac
Apple is lowering prices at the cost of not advancing the platform. Can they do anything right these days?
I think Steve declared this to be the "year of the notebook" because he knew not many people would buy these underpowered overpriced macs their rolling out these days.
A little bus tweeking and L3 cache adding would make a 1ghz iMac easier to buy.

Think about this, the $699 17in display apple sells is bigger and better than the 17in screen on the imac. If you subtract the cost of this screen from the imac then you get $1,100. Apple makes a profit on the $699, and since the iMacs screen is smaller than that, that means that $699 pays for the superdrive and the screen on the imac. Now, is $1,100 worth what you get? NO WAY!!! Not when there are other Apple computers that give you more for your money.

then buy a powermac and the 17 inch screen!and the l3 will make a lil difference it aint going to make a lot.-Everyone that has been to this post knows they all love the new imac they either wont admit it or they cant afford it but we all know it is one super style awsome machine with the best software!