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macrumors regular
Mar 20, 2012
Does iOS 10 require iTunes 12.5.1? I'm still running 12.3 on Yosemite and don't want to upgrade.


macrumors G5
Jun 27, 2007
Overall I think iOS 10 is a good upgrade. My favorite things:
  • Quickly filter mail with just a tap and customize filters.
  • 3D Touch everywhere. Adjusting the torch to be dimmer is useful when I’m going to bed and my wife is already asleep.
  • Some iMessage apps seem kinda useful, such as quickly sharing the weather. I’m looking forward to seeing what kind of innovative apps are released going forward.
  • Turn off read receipts per-person. I’ve been wanting this for years!
  • The new bedtime feature has been helping me to get more regular sleep. I’m really bad about this. It’s much more gentle at slowly waking you up than an instant-on blazing alarm. They’re gentle but gradually get harsher which helps me wake up easier.
  • Responding to notifications is much better. It keeps the thread updated while people respond to you.
  • Photo search is amazing. It finds so many obscure things. It still needs some work to expand it’s knowledge, but for a first release it’s crazy good.
  • HomeKit in control center is really useful to quickly adjust my thermostat. I wish I could get that on the Apple Watch.
  • Being able to check voicemail during a meeting via transcribed text feels really futuristic for some reason.
  • Apple Music seems a little more organized
  • Being able to 3D Touch on Reminders and quickly check things off is pretty useful.
  • Being able to share notes with my wife is really nice. There are some simple common things that we share and sometimes work on or iterate, such as recipes, or different measurements of our new house for buying furniture, etc.
  • The front-facing camera button is at the bottom of the Camera app which makes it easier to press.
  • Viewing two tabs at once on the iPad
  • I can use 3D Touch to prioritize which apps install first. Useful for when I have 20 app updates and want to really check out a specific update or use an app that is currently blocked from being opened due to an install.
  • Being able to quickly markup photos. Makes it a lot faster to take screenshots of apps in testing when I’m checking them against my design. I can quickly annotate and return it to the developer.
  • I like the memories capability, but it has a few issues
Things I don’t like:
  • The predictive text keyboard can’t be easily hidden and shown. You have to dig into the preferences to turn it on or off. Super annoying.
  • The blue text in the predictive keyboard when in dark keyboard mode can be difficult to read.
  • Dark backgrounds are still prevalent for widgets that haven’t updated, which makes it look really inconsistent.
  • Can’t 3D Touch on Control Center top icons, which seems inconsistent. Should be able to select from a few WiFi hotspots or a list of BT devices in range.
  • Safari tabs on the iPhone often glitch so that you can’t read the titles on each tab over the background image
  • It seems like my iPhone has more trouble automatically pairing with the BT in my car than it did before the update.
  • Apple Music still shows too much crap that’s not relevant to me. I still don’t know why when I open it the first thing I see is Lady Gaga’s new album. There is no chance in hell I’ll ever listen to that, so IDK why they keep pushing it. It also keeps recommending songs more heavily based on things I bought on iTunes back in high school 10 years ago instead of what I’m currently adding and listening to.
  • Still no way to quickly change the frame rate in the slow-mo section of the Camera app, or easily switch between 1080p or 4K video. There’s a 4K label but you can’t even press it to toggle. Why not? Am I the only one who switches? Sometimes I just want to video some random crap in 1080p, and other times I want to record my kid learning to ride a tricycle in 4K so I have archival footage for years to come. I only have so much iCloud space!
  • Raise to wake took several days to get used to. I think I generally like it better now, but hated it at first. It takes a little time to reprogram the muscle memory. Then I discovered that under Accessibility you can switch on "Rest Finger to Open" which I like a lot better.
  • The memories feature is neat, but it often cuts people’s heads off. I’m not sure why it isn’t doing a smarter job at recognizing that. It will also throw in a lot of duplicates in a row sometimes.
  • The way you do facial recognition setup is really convoluted. It should guide you through it. Right now you have to tap on a photo’s "Details" button, and if it saw a face it might show up there. You have to tap on the face and then try to train it. Sometimes it will show you a bunch of photos, sometimes only a few. It never gets anywhere close to all the photos with a person’s face on the first try. You have to keep training it, and at some point it grays out.
  • I wish there was a way to
That's a lot of negatives but overall most of them are smaller things. The positives clearly outweigh the negatives. It has been very stable for me over the past week. I feel like my battery has taken a little bit of a hit, which is odd, because I've been a little busier than normal and not on my phone as much (aside from playing with it a ton the first couple days).


macrumors member
Oct 21, 2014
I've had 7-8 hours of battery life on an SE with the GM… I used to be around 12 hours on iOS 9 o_O #BatteryGate


macrumors 68020
Jul 9, 2008
Is there a definitive guide to which apps work with Siri? Developers have to code for it, right?

One frustrating thing about Siri since the beginning is taking time to initiate a command only to be told she's happy to search the web for you. I could have already opened FourSquare and checked in by the time I find out it's not possible to ask siri to check me in at the starbucks I'm at.


Nov 8, 2011
Well, for a week now, and it's been the worst beta so far. A shame it had to be the last one…

Go with a fresh load in that case. This is a massive overhaul to the OS, doing several of those (the beta) and then going straight to GM is always going to be flaky. I had assumed you were running a fresh install, but if not .. do a fresh install via iTunes. :)


macrumors regular
Jun 18, 2011
If I have the GM installed on it from a few days ago I shouldnt get this update then correct? I deleted the beta profile


macrumors 6502
Oct 25, 2014
I'm going to wait a few days before upgrading and let everyone else find all the bugs and problems with it as per all the previous iOS upgrades. They'll probably rush out 10.0.1 by the weekend.

The current release is already 10.0.1


Mar 24, 2015
Might be having an issue with iOS 10 and iPad Pro 9.7. Both my iPads just went into recovery mode.
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macrumors 6502
Nov 27, 2007
Downloaded very quickly (5 mins). Update's halfway installed after 15 mins. I should stop staring at my phone and get back to work.
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macrumors regular
Jul 4, 2015
I too was surprised at how quick the iTunes update and iOS 10 downloaded on my computer. Definitely was not expecting that.


Jan 10, 2012
"There is a problem with the iPhone "iPhone" that requires it to be updated or restored."

"The problem may be fixed by updating your iPhone, which preserves your settings and content. However, if updating doesn't work, it may be necessary to click Restore, which erases all settings and content. If you backed up this iPhone to this computer or iCloud, you'll be prompted to restore the backup onto the iphone."

Wow first time this happened to me.


macrumors member
Oct 3, 2010
No "Raise to Wake" for iPhone6!!!!! your f****ing kidding me what a crock, gee same old Apple money grabbing tactics, yea like the motion processor ina 6 isn't up to it. FFS...

How do you know this is the case? Just speculation? If you have some technical details, please share them with the rest of the forum :)
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macrumors 6502a
Aug 12, 2009
Perfect. Can't wait for the "Update available" nagware to begin pestering me every day to install this update that I'll no way in hell be installing for at least 30 days after its release.

Special thanks to :apple: for now allowing us the option to NOT download these updates and have them annoy us until we do their bidding.
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