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Apple Releases iOS 8.0.1 With Fixes for HealthKit, Keyboards, and More [WARNING: iOS 8.0.1 Causing Issues With Cell Service, Touch ID]

akakillroy said:
Fanboyisum is that a word? If you own something other than the iPhone you are in the wrong forum and you are just stirring the pot for no reason.
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fanboyism

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bedifferent said:
So has it been confirmed that updating via iTunes works?
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Yes, for most people restoring via iTunes fixes the problem. You may find that you have to switch iMessages and iCloud off and then back on if they don't work after the restore
 
captain kaos said:
Oh Apple, what are you doing? You've lost the plot.
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They've lost it long ago.

Apple maps, iOS 7 not getting patched for half a year, iMac has slowest hard drive to date and needs surgery to split open, iPad Air Safari tab reloads...

The user experience isn't what I'd expect for such awfully expensive products. They're extremely good at selling an image, creating hype and the burning desire to own their products. They're not really much different though, in the end.
 
Altis said:
They've lost it long ago.

Apple maps, iOS 7 not getting patched for half a year, iMac has slowest hard drive to date and needs surgery to split open, iPad Air Safari tab reloads...

The user experience isn't what I'd expect for such awfully expensive products. They're extremely good at selling an image, creating hype and the burning desire to own their products. They're not really much different though, in the end.
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People post stuff like this but Apple isn't alone. There are quite a few Windows OEM's who have gone the same direction.

I think the problem in general is that we're a caffeinated society who expects instant gratification, and we demand new stuff all the time. A society addicted to consumerism.

I was talking with a friend of mine, and suggested that 18-24 month release cycles would be a lot better but that people wouldn't put up with it. Never mind the tech media who will scorn a company for not updating software and hardware fast enough. After all they earn their money on click bait, and a constant stream of articles. They actually do better business on their end when stuff goes wrong, and if they can't post about stuff that goes wrong or a new product then they write articles about how stale a product or design is.

I think OS X and iOS would be better off on longer than yearly release cycles. And this is true of other platforms as well. But I think yearly release cycles are too short. Just by the time they iron out most of the bugs we get a new OS that has all new bugs (or old ones), and the cycle repeats.

I read one article on a prominent site that suggested 'where is Samsung' in response to the launches recently. They just released the GS5 this spring, and this tech writer was suggesting that Samsung needs to answer with a product 'right now'. Absurd. This hysteria almost of new products, new features, and new hardware is getting us crappier products. The expectations are simply too high, much of it fueled by tech writers, to actually deliver solid a reliable products. Doesn't matter if its Apple or Samsung or anyone else. If we go back to the GS5 launch they had major issues with the camera not working on some models. **** happens to everyone, and if Apple delayed the iPhone 6 to October along with iOS 8 they'd get a flurry of ****** sounding articles directed their way.

And to some of the comments about Apple having the cash to hire more people. Things aren't that easy. Theres not a tit for tat formula for throwing money at a problem. Hiring more people WILL introduce additional problems. In the past iPhone launches weren't always at the same exact time of the year. Sometimes stuff just needs to get pushed back. Throwing fresh bodies (who aren't already Apple employees) at the problem would probably slow things down more than they're worth. Giving the people who already are involved, experienced, and employed by Apple would be of more benefit in my [internet] opinion.

So we're seeing super high expectations by external, and internal demands that are self imposed regardless of how much finish and polish is done. Just gonna launch no matter what. We've seen quite a few companies fall into this trap. Windows 8.0, Samsung GS5, Apple, ect. Probably a lot more going on. Google has issued software fixes for specific issues on Nexus phones. Motorola has, too. And sometimes you can do the best job troubleshooting beta type builds and still never see a problem until things go public. Just the way the world works. You can argue that Apple is worse at this recently but its not like they have not had failures under Steve Jobs as well. Mobile Me is a big one. We still have Mobile Me email addresses under my Apple ID that serve as a reminder.

Edit- Here is the article I mentioned: http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/18/6385133/the-time-for-the-galaxy-s6-is-now
 
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Irrational hyperbolic response

sbailey4 said:
Off topic for this thread but would you expect your iPad mini to bend if you carried it in your pocket? How about your laptop/netbook? The iP6 plus is a big device to stuff into a pocket. Holding a company responsible for bending a device due to how you carried it is beyond nuts. Pretty sure there is nothing published that states "You can also carry this HUGE device in your pocket just like you did your razor flip phone!"
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People keep hyperbolically bringing up even larger non-phone devices like this as if it were relevant to the argument. It is not. The iPhone is specifically manufactured _and_ marketed as a phone, a device that is designed to be with you at all times and which people are very much used to carrying in what is often the only available place to carry such a device: the front pocket. No normal person who is not busy being an Apple apologist would think that an iPhone can't be used and carried around just like any other smartphone. It is very much not "beyond nuts" to hold any company responsible for manufacturing a device that is quite easily damaged in what most people consider normal daily usage. The iPad mini and other devices are so much bigger than even the iPhone 6 Plus that no one would even try to carry them in a front pocket. Even most cargo pockets would have difficulty with an iPad mini. Then you just get totally silly by mentioning laptops. Seriously?

Again, don't be an Apple apologist. The problem is real. People are severely damaging the iPhone 6 Plus in perfectly normal usage; usage that does not appear to damage similarly-sized phones from other manufacturers nearly as easily. A phone should not need to be treated like a precious raw egg to avoid breaking it. Apple needs to confront the problem, acknowledge it, and do their best to make a more durable iPhone next time around. Meanwhile I'll know to be extremely careful with my own iPhone 6 Plus when it finally shows up. I'll put it in a hard case and treat it like a delicate raw egg. But I shouldn't have to go to such lengths when using the device for its intended usage. That expectation is not rational.
 
http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/25/6842487/apple-directing-people-to-reinstall-ios-8-while-it-figures-out-a-fix

They are working on a fix to be released in "the next few days"

Seriously? I know at least one person that has no access to iTunes and updated and now has no service.
 
Belmont31R said:
People post stuff like this but Apple isn't alone. There are quite a few Windows OEM's who have gone the same direction.

I think the problem in general is that we're a caffeinated society who expects instant gratification, and we demand new stuff all the time. A society addicted to consumerism.
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I don't disagree with your post. Much of what you're saying makes reasonable sense to me.

Just to clarify, though, read the last line of what I said...

Altis said:
....They're not really much different though, in the end.
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What I mean by this is that it isn't unique to Apple. They are susceptible to issues, just as anyone else.

Having said that, a lot of people seem to hold Apple in such high regard, as if they're so much better than the others. They toss aside specs and common complaints, issues, bugs, lack of features, arm-twist updates (that inflame problems like this 8.0.1 business), feature changes, etc... they ignore all of it and go on about how the experience is like no other.

If people would stop saying "It just works," as if it's some kind of flawless product, people might not have such unrealistic expectations.

It's one of the reasons I have no brand loyalty.
 
For the love of God STOP this idiocy! Can't you people EVER just be happy with the most advanced and luxurious tech products in the entire history of the world?

It all started with the iPhone 4 when a bunch of retards couldn't hold their phones properly.

Next come the drooling imbeciles putting their $700 iPhones in pockets and then whining when they bend.

Now we have brain damaged jackalopes updating their iPhones when they need to make calls! Helloooooo!!! If you need to make calls, then DON'T UPDATE YOUR iPHONE! These lazy, stupid, instant-gratification whiners are probably the EXACT same ones who bent their new iPhones and blamed it on Apple.

I can't believe how bad it's become, how far America has fallen. This used to be nation of winners but now it's a grade A imbecile breeding ground.

/snark
 
Altis said:
I don't disagree with your post. Much of what you're saying makes reasonable sense to me.

Just to clarify, though, read the last line of what I said...



What I mean by this is that it isn't unique to Apple. They are susceptible to issues, just as anyone else.

Having said that, a lot of people seem to hold Apple in such high regard, as if they're so much better than the others. They toss aside specs and common complaints, issues, bugs, lack of features, arm-twist updates (that inflame problems like this 8.0.1 business), feature changes, etc... they ignore all of it and go on about how the experience is like no other.

If people would stop saying "It just works," as if it's some kind of flawless product, people might not have such unrealistic expectations.

It's one of the reasons I have no brand loyalty.
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Yeah I get that. But again people allow themselves to get hyped up, and I do it myself. Im a tech junkie, and like new stuff. I've gone from a 5 to 5S to a 6 now. Don't need to have a new phone every year but it makes me happy, and I'm an adult who can make my own purchasing decisions. However, if iOS 8, and the iPhone 6 were released next month we'd all have been better off. That wasn't my decision or anyone else's but Apple's.

As far as just being another tech company....they are, and they're not at the same time. Previous performance, and future expectations put stuff like what happened today into greater focus than what would occur with any other company. Samsung has had to pull updates, too, like with 4.3 with the GS3. And the previously mentioned GS5 camera problems. They didn't generate near the buzz.

These types of forums are GREAT and HORRIBLE all at the same time. Theres a ton of helpful people, and theres a ton of people who just dogpile certain threads with snarky little comments, and the noise to signal ratio goes out the window. Theres certainly a very strong tendency to people super negative online that they wouldn't express offline and in person.

Last for now is theres still a terrible avenue for media types to feed off other people's issues, and a great lack of critical thinking skills in people today to analyze what they're reading. I linked that article, and although I don't like Samsung mobile (I like their other products and have bought a $2000 Samsung TV and a Samsung Series 9 Ultrabook), theres a feeding frenzy for anything to get people to watch a video or click on a link. And I swear 99% of the comments Ive read on bendgate (whatever) don't even have a modicum of science referenced anywhere. I'd imagine if you asked 100 random people off the street what a fulcrum is less than 10 could answer it, and thats being generous. Not that Im a science guru but Im basically referencing the click bait style stupidity and people posting negativity in a herd like mentality without even a basic understanding of what they're yapping about.


My general point is that theres just way too big of an expectation these days. Doesn't matter who causes it but its there, and probably not going away anytime soon. Thus details get missed, and we end up with inferior products that don't work right. I think pumping out an entirely new desktop OS every year is absurd, and for that matter so is a mobile OS. You can see it with them juggling people around to fill gaps, and shuffle people around between iOS and OS X. Like I said just hiring more people isn't a fix by itself. And heaven forbid we get an iterative update that focuses on polish, and doesn't add a ton of new features. Get eaten alive.
 
I'm pretty amused by the crap in this thread. Sure technology is not perfect how ever if this was Android this thread would be full of types snark, pomp and arrogance but because it's apple who can do no wrong it's excusable.
 
Belmont31R said:
I think OS X and iOS would be better off on longer than yearly release cycles. And this is true of other platforms as well. But I think yearly release cycles are too short. Just by the time they iron out most of the bugs we get a new OS that has all new bugs (or old ones), and the cycle repeats.
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OS X doesn't need a yearly release cycle since is more mature.
iOS does need to be updated frequently due to hardware changes and to the fact that is a relative young operating system, there are tons of new API in every major release so once a year is ok to have a new OS.
Of course in a few years iOS will be mature as well and a 2 year cycle could be ok for major releases
 
C DM said:
And to say they are getting an update ready to fix the issue and bring all the other fixes from 8.0.1.
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And they didn't know that before twelve hours had past? Apple releases tech docs all the time, then updates them later with additional information as it becomes available. They could've done that here as well. And, IMO, they should have.
 
Belmont31R said:
People post stuff like this but Apple isn't alone. There are quite a few Windows OEM's who have gone the same direction.

I think the problem in general is that we're a caffeinated society who expects instant gratification, and we demand new stuff all the time. A society addicted to consumerism.

I was talking with a friend of mine, and suggested that 18-24 month release cycles would be a lot better but that people wouldn't put up with it. Never mind the tech media who will scorn a company for not updating software and hardware fast enough. After all they earn their money on click bait, and a constant stream of articles. They actually do better business on their end when stuff goes wrong, and if they can't post about stuff that goes wrong or a new product then they write articles about how stale a product or design is.

I think OS X and iOS would be better off on longer than yearly release cycles. And this is true of other platforms as well. But I think yearly release cycles are too short. Just by the time they iron out most of the bugs we get a new OS that has all new bugs (or old ones), and the cycle repeats.


Edit- Here is the article I mentioned: http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/18/6385133/the-time-for-the-galaxy-s6-is-now
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I really agree with the above points. How many people have the learning curve time for something really innovative that comes out yearly? When I upgraded to iOS 8 I thought it wasn't anything special. i had to go back to the videos and learn what it had to offer. I also needed to realize it will take developers time to develop new apps because much of what has changed is in the background. Instead of yearly innovations how about refinements?

If android could just tackle its problem with OS fragmentation that would be innovative but instead they keep coming up with gimmicks.

And to the something that just works points. That's easier to do when your product is simple. When its complex and you try to keep changing it yearly, thats a lot more difficult.
 
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