Apple Releases iPadOS and iOS 13.5 With Exposure Notification API, Face ID Mask Updates, Group FaceTime Changes and More

[Chlloret]

I can wait for things to be ironed out. Tracking tech that gets rushed to market, even with the ability to turn it off, sounds like a privacy nightmare. But that's just me.

to iron out what? There is no tracking tech. Its tracing. Also, you can switch it off, yes, but first you have to switch it ON. Or in other words, if you update or not, nothing will change. But even IF you turn it on, still nothing happens. You now need an App, your goverment app, and you have to turn that on, plus the api. Also, what privacy concerns do you have? Regarding this api. Not regarding smart phones. But this api? Its off. Can not identify you. Is not connecting to servers. Scrambled data stays on your phone. No location data is logged.
oh, by the way, its OFF.

 

[Chlloret]

Many people don't love the idea of location sharing and data being shared as a set to default. Sharing data with google is a bit dubious. privacy matters.

of course people do not like that. Thats why Apple did not implement that? There is no location sharing, as a matter of fact, thats one of the main points! There is NO data being shared. And nothing is on by default. You have to turn it on, but location is not one of it. You also have to install an app. If there is an app. That you also have to activate. Still, no data is being shared. No data is being seen by Apple or Google. Its an api!

 

[axcess99]

Is there an approved exposure notification app for USA yet? An api doesn't do anything without an app using it.

 

[bchreng]

Installed it on my iPhone SE (1st gen), have been using it for a couple hours now and can say that I haven’t experienced any issues. I use my phone for streaming, social media, web browsing and taking photos.

 

[PhillyGuy72]

Max works fine on my wireless charger. Did you try a restart?

I did but ugh....this was just my own stupidity!

I have this small metal plate under my iPhone case (I use a magnetic phone holder in my car), this plate is always at the bottom so it doesn't interfere with the wireless charging. I honestly forget it's there.

Well the plate moved just slightly...just enough to block wireless charge.
All is fine, wireless is working.

 

[glowplug]

These same people, post every aspect of their life to Facebook. Go figure.

No. That is patently false. Go figure.

 

[orthorim]

The first time ever I'm feeling sad about an iOS update.

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I know Steve Jobs is rotating in his grave right now.

Those who trade freedom for safety deserve neither and get neither. Was that Benjamin Franklin?

Anyway Apple is over. ENDED.
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I can wait for things to be ironed out. Tracking tech that gets rushed to market, even with the ability to turn it off, sounds like a privacy nightmare. But that's just me.

you just can’t.
I’m no longer updating my phone. I’ll be on 13.4 from now on.

 

[JosephAW]

Since my job involves making contact with 20 unique persons a day I'll enable this on my iPhone 6.

 

[axcess99]

I know Steve Jobs is rotating in his grave right now.

Those who trade freedom for safety deserve neither and get neither. Was that Benjamin Franklin?

Anyway Apple is over. ENDED.
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you just can’t.
I’m no longer updating my phone. I’ll be on 13.4 from now on.

If Apple wanted to track you, why would they announce a big api and explain all the details of how it doesn’t use location and is anonymous? Seems needlessly complicated.

 

[DJC631]

None of my devices want to charge after updating to 13.5, anyone else??

 

[Dozer_Zaibatsu]

The USA is still getting 20,000 new infections per day... it hasn’t slowed at all there, so hardly too late to be useful for them.

Although, really, it becomes more useful as there are fewer cases, as that’s when it’s most critical to identify contacts for rare infections, to prevent new outbreaks.

We don't know any useful statistics about "new" infections. It was here and spread rapidly before we were able to test and while nobody was taking a lockdown idea seriously. We're only catching up with infection testing now. The news reporting new testing data is not useful information. But it makes for handy news that gets everybody to shout at one another on Twitter.

My source being: was working in a hospital, yes, and in scrubs and in ORs, until a month ago. When their traffic slowed down to absolutely nothing due to Covid protocols. But at least I'm still working, unlike many support staff who were furloughed.
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I know Steve Jobs is rotating in his grave right now.

Those who trade freedom for safety deserve neither and get neither. Was that Benjamin Franklin?

Anyway Apple is over. ENDED.

Well, Apple at least makes a big to-do about customer privacy. Do they mean it? Mmph. They refused to bend the knee to the FBI.

The problem is that your alternative is owned by Google. And their business is all about raking through your private information, by default, in order to monetize it.

 

[rols]

So I updated and went to turn on the underlying protocol and found that .. without an app you can't even enable it. That seems pretty dumb to me, if an app comes out in a month's time I'd like, when it's installed, for it to have a couple of weeks of data already cached to use when it does.

That wouldn't work anyway, as only 14 days of encountered keys are kept on the phone.

Err yes it would absolutely work. If you could start data collection now, when an app is released it will have 14 days of data to work with instead of starting from nowhere. By the way .. a couple of weeks is .. 14 days.

Starting data collection only when you have an app which can use it just delays the usefulness of the entire thing by 2 weeks.

 

[Batt4Christ]

So many paranoid people who have no clue how the technology works.
Sadly our deaths are going to continue to pile up until we have a vaccine

What vaccine? Dr. Fauci has a history of promising vaccines,collecting $billions, t g enndelivering nothing.

 

[jgleigh]

I can wait for things to be ironed out. Tracking tech that gets rushed to market, even with the ability to turn it off, sounds like a privacy nightmare. But that's just me.

You can't even turn on Logging without an authorized app. And there aren't any authorized apps yet.

 

[Nütztjanix]

Err yes it would absolutely work. If you could start data collection now, when an app is released it will have 14 days of data to work with instead of starting from nowhere. By the way .. a couple of weeks is .. 14 days.

Starting data collection only when you have an app which can use it just delays the usefulness of the entire thing by 2 weeks.

OP was talking about "a month's time". In my world, that's more than 14 days.
For the rest, I agree.

 

[TroyBoy30]

You can't even turn on Logging without an authorized app. And there aren't any authorized apps yet.

least thats what they are telling you. you really don't have any idea.

 

[Itada]

We don't know any useful statistics about "new" infections.

If you're suggesting they're not new infections and are mostly from "before we were able to test", that's disingenuous at best given the length of time it's now been. But regardless, it doesn't matter: my point was in reply to someone who thought there was no value in exposure notification technology because it was "Too late." - the fact that the technology becomes more useful as there are fewer cases means it's definitely not too late.

Anyway, luckily I don't live in the USA, but where I do live I've seen the value of being able to quickly identify contacts of infected people to allow fast isolation and prevent further spread, so it's great to see a technology introduced that will be genuinely useful in that regard. Kudos to Apple and Google for working together and getting it out there quickly.

 

[4356870]

I’m experiencing “No Service” issue in roaming. Rebooted several times, turned kn and off airplane mode, nothing works. Looking for network for 3-5 minutes and then ”no service”. Never had such issues before updating to 13.5.
Since Luxembourg is a very small country the probability of being “In roaming” and therefore with “no service” is extremely high.
Anyone experienced the same?

 

[MacBH928]

How does one know bugs that are Yet to be found?

How about updating to fix bugs? That’s not 0 reason, at least to me.

They test the software in beta for months, they know about the bugs they just decide to release it. Thousands of people use the beta software for weeks or months, you want to convince me that on day 1 of release they realize there is a bug they didn't notice? Doesn't make sense.

Its no use to update to fix bugs, because with every bug fixed there is a new bug introduced. I have been updating my iOS and apps for years on a weekly basis and 99.9% of the time it works exactly the same. Its rare instances when they release a bug fix issue and the software really works better with less troubles, I think one of them was the first or second update for the iOS 7 release for example.

 

[I7guy]

They test the software in beta for months, they know about the bugs they just decide to release it. Thousands of people use the beta software for weeks or months, you want to convince me that on day 1 of release they realize there is a bug they didn't notice? Doesn't make sense.

Its no use to update to fix bugs, because with every bug fixed there is a new bug introduced. I have been updating my iOS and apps for years on a weekly basis and 99.9% of the time it works exactly the same. Its rare instances when they release a bug fix issue and the software really works better with less troubles, I think one of them was the first or second update for the iOS 7 release for example.

Ok, but you did say there was 0 reason to update to 13.5. I disagree based on 1) the new api and 2) the fix for mail.

There are and will always be bugs to be fixed.

 

[Dozer_Zaibatsu]

If you're suggesting they're not new infections and are mostly from "before we were able to test", that's disingenuous at best given the length of time it's now been.

What's the baseline? How many people have it now? How much was it increasing during the colder months when the infection was higher?

Any answer attempted to give is disingenuous until we have real data and a timeline to extrapolate this. Like every other pandemic that occurs. Breath-by-breath news reports on testing is not that.

 

[Itada]

But regardless, it doesn't matter: my point was in reply to someone who thought there was no value in exposure notification technology because it was "Too late." - the fact that the technology becomes more useful as there are fewer cases means it's definitely not too late.

 

[ajfahey]

The first time ever I'm feeling sad about an iOS update.

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Very good point. Also, as places start to re-open, the value of contact tracing goes up.

Infection rate growth was exponential in early April. Total infections have since inflected and are now declining exponentially, given that peak measured confirmed infections occurred in mid to late April. This, in spite of the fact that test rates continue to increase linearly and that people have started to return to normal life.

Your interpretation of these statistics seem to belie a personal confirmation bias.

 

[allonym]

Is it me or the apps launch a lot faster now?
I noticed both on iP11 Pro Max and on iPad pro 11 2018.

Maybe it's placebo, maybe it's animation, I don't know but most apps seem to open really fast.
I usually don't have these illusions after updates.

I have the same experience. Whatever the reason, it’s nice!

 

[orthorim]

The USA is still getting 20,000 new infections per day... it hasn’t slowed at all there, so hardly too late to be useful for them.

Although, really, it becomes more useful as there are fewer cases, as that’s when it’s most critical to identify contacts for rare infections, to prevent new outbreaks.

Umm... a month ago I was saying how stupid this whole flatten the curve really is

Now a month on, everyone suddenly forgot about flatten the curve (maybe because hospitals are empty...) .... and they're on to something else

What's the latest ?

Never become sick again?

No going on the streets until nobody ever dies again?

The curve is flat, everyone needs to get the F out of their house, it's WAY too late for any contact tracking but don't worry they're hard at work on Plandemic #2. Anyway infection rates must be close to saturation now

Latest CDC (!!) numbers are 99.97% survival rate for under 50, 99.79 for all ages.

Meaning, for whatever reason, we were wrong, it's a bad flu, flu is actually pretty bad, but shutting down the country has most definitely killed more people than it saved. Goodnight.