Nope. Ethernet is faster, more secure and more reliable imo.
No ethernet port on iPhone I'm aware of so off mobile data it goes.
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Apple Releases iTunes 12.7 With Major Changes, Including No Built-In App Store
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Nope. Ethernet is faster, more secure and more reliable imo.
No ethernet port on iPhone I'm aware of so off mobile data it goes.
Well, this looks like where I get off the bus. I am not giving up app management for the sake of this new version and Apple's 'vision'. Sure, break out the iTunes stuff, but don't just take away significant functionality with no pratical recourse. We have way more apps on the Mac than on any one device, and it is a central store. We have seasonal apps, for child's devices - Christmas, Halloween, etc., that we transfer to and from their devices as needed. We can see all the apps we have, which ones we want to put back on, which ones to take off for a while. We don't need any flight tracking and travel apps but once or twice a year. So we're going to have to 1) remember what we had, 2) redownload them on wifi or cellular because Apple no longer deigns to let us do that from our computer? This is ridiculous. To quote, "It was a bad call, Ripley. A bad call." (Carter Burke). And we know how it worked out for him.
Well of course they are forcing us to download apps only via device now and stop using the Mac as an App archive. That is the whole point of the release and removing the App Store from iTunes. It's changing the workflow.
Again, it might be just fine in the end but Apple isn't communicating. I mean even yesterday they could have cut out 1 minute from each of the segments to talk about High Sierra and mention this update. My comments are based on how I see it. I full admit I have not tried it out and am not too motivated to try right now either.
That doesn't change the fact that the only reason for app download size limits is the same as for limits with tethering: Allowing the carriers to offer 'unlimited' data plans at 'reasonable' cost by limiting the biggest uses of data, tethering and app downloads. Some carriers have their own carrier-side of such special restrictions, eg, with video streaming.
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Well, most people don't have a workflow in regard to downloading apps, it just happens automatically. And if you don't have multiple accounts, hitting the download button (either per app or a download all) in iTunes or in the App Store app on iOS, is a workflow change that has very little effects. It's about the same work and effort in both situations.
But my key point is that this has nothing to do with forcing you to use iCloud. Hitting the download button in iOS isn't using iCloud any more than hitting it in iTunes.
You really didn't answer the question, what about wifi? Quite a bit different than mobile data.
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It is a shame you have slow internet. We need better internet in our country. And people wonder why 4K streaming and 4K Apple TV is slow to roll out. And it is not much better if you had 100/200/300 Mbps plans.
I have Spectrum internet. Even with 300mbps speeds (sorry plan), I have issues streaming 4K because I rarely hit the speeds they advertise. They always like to mask the issue saying "It is only up to 300". Okay, but when I only get 10mbps download, don't you think that is an issue?!
They get it fixed, then a month or two goes by and the same thing happens. Having the 300mbps plan, I only get on average 100mbps if I am lucky. Every month or two they seem to have "issues on their side" that makes me only get 10mbps.
I had similar issues on Consolidated Communications with a 300/5 connection. Mine would even cut out completely at random times every day.
It's a huge issue.
Fortunately GF came in, switched to their 100/100 plan even with a VPN running, I'm still averaging 80-90 up and down.
If you ever get the chance and it's not cost prohibitive, switch to fiber.
How about the security of mobile data? Data caps? You would rather use mobile data instead of properly securing your wireless network?
Good points - I DO NOT want to have to download an app 10-20x a year between all my and my wife's and kids iPhones and iPads, now that Comcast is charging for overages. As it is, my wife and kids and I can easily use over 700GB of our 1TB bandwidth from streaming.
Sometimes I have to visit my mother-in-law in another town and sync her iPad mini 3G to my MacBook to update movies and apps, and back it up, since she doesn't have wifi. How are we supposed to accomplish that now? This sucks!
And we have our iMac authorized for mutlple iTunes accounts, and everyone else syncs to that one with an 8TB drive to store our whole library - and now how do we install apps that we've bought with one of the other iTunes accounts? THIS IS A BIG DEAL FOR MANY PEOPLE. Before we could transfer apps (and media) from one iPhone with a different iTunes account to the iMac, and then sync that app over to our other phone and use the app on both.
And there's the issue of sometimes we have to save the old version of an app that supports older hardware, like the June 2017 version of Sony SongPal app works with the Sony STR-DN1050 receiver, but the new version Sony Music Player doesn't support this 2-3 year old receiver - those 1050 owners are left out in the cold if they let their phone update all apps. And the old version of the SongPal app would let me control music on another renderer other than my Sony (like my Perfectwave DAC with Ethernet bridge) and now the new app doesn't.
I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS MOVE AT ALL
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I sure hope so, because I have to manage a couple hundred apps and I use the bigger iTunes screen for that.
MacRumors readers aren't a homogeneous group of people and I've always highlighted that I like iTunes' power and swiss army knife approach.
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If you’re going to manage your family like a company, why don’t you look into proper MDM software?
It is not a fact but a conspiracy theory. It's clear the limit is set by Apple, not carriers or their wishes, or Android would have it too. Also the world is big and carriers are different. I have an unlimited data plan, I can stream movies in Full HD and they eat more bandwidth than any app updates. I can do everything, the only thing I can't do is to update/install an app over 100 Mb. That's just stupid.
I was trying to update my runs from iPod nano 6gen in iTunes 12.7.0 and....suprise - The nike+ upload function was removed! I'm unable to update my fitness data
Waste of money on nano 6gen, nike shoes, sensors and heart rate monitor for nike+
Waste of money on nano 6gen, nike shoes, sensors and heart rate monitor for nike+
I think this is a clear example of how megalomaniac Apple is. Once again we see how control-freak these companies have become, and as the guy from TorrentFreak said to me when I talked about ProTube, "Apple likes to have a lot of control over what their users can access and what not, I'm afraid this will only increase in the future".
This has nothing to do with the fact that we paid for a content (although in my opinion it makes pointless any future purchase, since we can't make a backup of anything if not sanctioned by Apple, and I wouldn't trust my data with them). Also it's not about having to use the internet to do a few tasks. Or even what Apple wants to be available in their App-Store (that's their problem).
This is about CONTROLLING OUR LIVES. Every aspect of it. While we are complaining about a few issues of these apps and devices, they are devising new ways to enslave us. I am not concocting conspiracy theories and haven't gone mad (or creative): this last move is only another in a series of actions that prove to me they want to remove our freedom, they want to restrict what we do with things we own!
Make no mistake, this is the ultimate goal. And it will indeed be much worse if no one complains and fight against it.
Think about it: before this update no one (at least no experienced user) could quickly plug a device such as the iPAD to a PC and backup any app. Or anything, at least without using iTunes.
These devices are meant to be used the way Apple wants.
When restoring the iCloud backup (from the system) you needed internet access to re-download the free/paid apps you had (let's assume you lost your previous device). Meaning that if for any reason the app was removed from App-Store you couldn't have it again.
Before this iTunes update you could restore any app version provided it still worked. Not even the internet was required, you could just drag and drop the .IPA file, using iTunes. Of course this .IPA could only be downloaded (at the time you did this) IF THE APP WAS AVAILABLE in the APPLE-STORE. The thing is, I downloaded ProTube (last version) months ago.
Google had the app (and it was the 1st time I ever paid for an app from the App-Store after years using the iPAD) removed. Now I can't use it in a new device unless I drag and drop with an old iTunes version.
What prevents Apple from tomorrow modifying these devices from being totally offline? Can someone point me to any game or device that forces the owner to use the internet, otherwise it can't work or it's severely restricted? If you can name at least a few, then you are seeing where I am going...
What about removing apps or other contents remotely, like Amazon did with some Kindle ebooks?
Again: it's totally pointless to pay for things we can't really own. When I say OWN I am talking about a backup that can be used tomorrow or 10 years from now.
An update that does something so despicable, so evil like this only confirms my views that no one should support Apple and break free from their dirty tactics as much as possible.
This has nothing to do with the fact that we paid for a content (although in my opinion it makes pointless any future purchase, since we can't make a backup of anything if not sanctioned by Apple, and I wouldn't trust my data with them). Also it's not about having to use the internet to do a few tasks. Or even what Apple wants to be available in their App-Store (that's their problem).
This is about CONTROLLING OUR LIVES. Every aspect of it. While we are complaining about a few issues of these apps and devices, they are devising new ways to enslave us. I am not concocting conspiracy theories and haven't gone mad (or creative): this last move is only another in a series of actions that prove to me they want to remove our freedom, they want to restrict what we do with things we own!
Make no mistake, this is the ultimate goal. And it will indeed be much worse if no one complains and fight against it.
Think about it: before this update no one (at least no experienced user) could quickly plug a device such as the iPAD to a PC and backup any app. Or anything, at least without using iTunes.
These devices are meant to be used the way Apple wants.
When restoring the iCloud backup (from the system) you needed internet access to re-download the free/paid apps you had (let's assume you lost your previous device). Meaning that if for any reason the app was removed from App-Store you couldn't have it again.
Before this iTunes update you could restore any app version provided it still worked. Not even the internet was required, you could just drag and drop the .IPA file, using iTunes. Of course this .IPA could only be downloaded (at the time you did this) IF THE APP WAS AVAILABLE in the APPLE-STORE. The thing is, I downloaded ProTube (last version) months ago.
Google had the app (and it was the 1st time I ever paid for an app from the App-Store after years using the iPAD) removed. Now I can't use it in a new device unless I drag and drop with an old iTunes version.
What prevents Apple from tomorrow modifying these devices from being totally offline? Can someone point me to any game or device that forces the owner to use the internet, otherwise it can't work or it's severely restricted? If you can name at least a few, then you are seeing where I am going...
What about removing apps or other contents remotely, like Amazon did with some Kindle ebooks?
Again: it's totally pointless to pay for things we can't really own. When I say OWN I am talking about a backup that can be used tomorrow or 10 years from now.
An update that does something so despicable, so evil like this only confirms my views that no one should support Apple and break free from their dirty tactics as much as possible.
It now only says "manually manage videos" and the word "music" is no longer included.
I do. The main thing I use iTunes for is to manage the hundreds of apps that I have. I will have to put off updating everything now and hope apple corrects this bad decision. A separate application would be nice but that won't be done in a month.
I have over 17000 songs in my iTunes library and over 100 ringtones still in my computer under the "tones" folder in iTunes media.
It's easy to put tones on the phone after the 12.7 update. You just can't take them off. By the look of the threads I'm not the only one experiencing this
They want to trim iTunes down? Great! Don't take mobile device management away from the user, though. Create a separate OS X App that users can use to manage their app libraries. Makes it better than iTunes ever was at doing so.
Backups, organization, management and why no even the App store to browse on the big screen?
This is disgusting and should be illegal. They have removed items from my purchase history that I bought years ago and they no longer sell. Gone from my purchase histroy! Erasing the existence of my purchases with no compensation. Now they take away the means to manage those apps which I'd have backed up. So now I have paid thousands of dollars for vapor.
People have gotten upset with Amazon for censoring, altering or outright deleting books they bought through Kindle. Apple is going the same route. Buy stuff that doesn't exist and you never own that can be erased from a device you bought but they say you don't own anymore either. You own nothing but they keep your money. A new OS "upgrade" makes your older device unusable and slow? Too bad you're not allowed to re-install older system software. Now we won't even let you interface one Apple device to another except in the way we choose and only in ways that encourage or force you to buy more stuff you won't own from our store!
Outrageous, and really sad that so many will continue to support them.
A company can do whatever it wants and nobody is required to buy their products. Messing with or taking away what I have already bought is theft and should be have legal remedy.
Backups, organization, management and why no even the App store to browse on the big screen?
This is disgusting and should be illegal. They have removed items from my purchase history that I bought years ago and they no longer sell. Gone from my purchase histroy! Erasing the existence of my purchases with no compensation. Now they take away the means to manage those apps which I'd have backed up. So now I have paid thousands of dollars for vapor.
People have gotten upset with Amazon for censoring, altering or outright deleting books they bought through Kindle. Apple is going the same route. Buy stuff that doesn't exist and you never own that can be erased from a device you bought but they say you don't own anymore either. You own nothing but they keep your money. A new OS "upgrade" makes your older device unusable and slow? Too bad you're not allowed to re-install older system software. Now we won't even let you interface one Apple device to another except in the way we choose and only in ways that encourage or force you to buy more stuff you won't own from our store!
Outrageous, and really sad that so many will continue to support them.
A company can do whatever it wants and nobody is required to buy their products. Messing with or taking away what I have already bought is theft and should be have legal remedy.
Maybe this isn't very relevant in the US, but in some countries your home internet data isn't unlimited. Now I have to download apps that I have on both my iPhone and iPad twice, which will chew up usage faster. (I have an account in Canada which has a data cap. If I had to fully download every app twice in a single billing period, it would exhaust it.) Frankly, having to go to both devices and check for updates rather than just doing it once in iTunes before syncing is more work for me. I would have preferred a new app on MacOS to manage my apps and get backups.
Then why are people offering workarounds using command line interfaces before High Sierra rolls out?
Why does Apple not just say in their release notes "... and if you have multiple iOS devices, no problem, just do this: " and then link to the app you speak of.
Evil and LIFE CONTROLLING - you know you are talking about some mobile apps on a luxury item right ?
Well put, Chupa Chupa. I started with Apple in 2010 and thus have no deep understanding of Steve Job's approach to implementing significant changes to what can be called "legacy" software. I wonder if he would have sanctioned the "covert", "passive aggressive", and I would add "sloppy" way of dropping this new iTunes on the update table. Apple is a business and can control its software however it wants but STYLE COUNTS.
I would consider myself to be in both sets then, as I want a balance of useful features and as little bloat as possible.It's just possible that those are two different sets of people.
For example, I agree with the decision to remove the iOS App Store from desktop iTunes, not necessary to have and not hard to just go on the device itself and download - meaning it is a redundant feature, and therefore bloat that iTunes doesn't need. I do not agree with the removal of app sync, because that is not a redundant feature, and for some people it is still useful. There are legitimate reasons to back up older versions of apps.
Does anyone know if iTunes 12.6 syncs with iOS 11?
I feel sorry for the folks who automatically down the newest versions of iTunes software to their Macs thinking Apple will take care of their apps in iTunes and then find out they are all gone. Apple should have given everyone a big warning in the roll out of new products. That's sorry as hell to me.
This story reminds me the story with QuickTime and iPhoto. First they kill something great, then start promising for months to replace it with something even better and never deliver or deliver after a few years. QuickTime Pro was a great tool, and QuickTime X never caught up.