I'm on a Mac. It was telling me that there is already a current version, when I hit ok...the installation window closed.
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Apple Releases iTunes 12.7 With Major Changes, Including No Built-In App Store
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I'm on a Mac. It was telling me that there is already a current version, when I hit ok...the installation window closed.
They already removed the functionality online even if you updated you would not have been able to unhide. I spoke to senior support. They can't believe they did this either. They are talking to developers about putting something in to unhide apps again, but as of now, there is nothing.
I do read them, silly goose. iTunes is faster and smoother than all previous versions, so I apologize for defending the software that has clearly been upgraded to meet most users preferences.
For those who are interested in the change in size.
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10.7.0 (Windows 64-bit) = 76mb
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12.2.0 (Windows 64-bit) = 120mb
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12.6.2 (Windows 64-bit) = 248mb
12.7.0 (Windows 64-bit) = 248mb
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10.7.0 (Windows 64-bit) = 76mb
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12.2.0 (Windows 64-bit) = 120mb
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12.6.2 (Windows 64-bit) = 248mb
12.7.0 (Windows 64-bit) = 248mb
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And organizing the apps is much easier on an Mac, probably not really possible on the device itself in a reasonable time, if you have many apps on a device.
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No warning about 32-bit app support going away? Exactly what are you smoking? You have a very odd idea of "planned obsolescence". Still zero sympathy.
Though it is browsing only, and you cannot see any pages for individual apps (going to an individual app ships you back to the website). But it puts into question all those comments about iTunes feeling faster and less clunky given that the functionality to browse the App Store is still inside iTunes. I guess, it was knowledge that iTunes was doing so many different things that was weighing down on people's minds, not the actual presence of the code in iTunes.
It also brings up the questions what happens to all those websites named iTunes Preview (which were the preview of the App Store inside iTunes). Calling them 'iTunes' Preview doesn't make much sense anymore.
If you are trying to download 12.6.2 using the link posted, and macOS is preventing you from doing so, then use a VM if you have one installed, or use a PC then copy across using a thumb drive. You will also need to uninstall / remove 12.7.0, which involves some skill and/or patience. Unless of course you have a Time Machine Backup...
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You can also find a complete list of iTunes releases here:
https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-6562#versions
Also with direct links.
Enjoy
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The buttons to backup and to restore are still in iTunes.
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File Sharing (to apps) is still inside iTunes (look for File Sharing in the sidebar).
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For what exactly do need an iCloud subscription now that you could do previously with iTunes?
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Apps that are still compatible but no longer available for purchase can still be re-downloaded from the App Store.
That's exactly it. Unless the Music app on the iPhone magically gains the ability to create ringtones, creating custom ringtones - for free - is gone.
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Because there are people who love audiobooks, and who would be pissed off in a major way if they are gone.
You need to delete iTunes 12.7 first (and for this you first have to change its permissions). But you also have to restore the pre-12.7 version of your iTunes library 'file' (.itl).
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Funny that iTunes is faster while it still has the ability to browse the App Store.
You didn’t read my post correctly. I didnt say “wow. No 32Bit what the hell dude?? Didn’t see that coming!”
Instead I said:
When you connect your device to innocently backup that device to your computer like you have for the last 7 years, 3 times a week - to keep your hard copy current with each device... the process now WIPES THE NON 64BIT APPS OFF YOUR DEVICE without warning you:
“hey guy? If I do this backup I’ll decide for you and wipe out all apps not compatible. You ok with that? I mean you might want to not do that and stick with iOS 10.3.3 and iTunes 12.6 -just sayin’”. If it said that and had a CANCEL button I could have saved myself 3 days of rebuilding 2,975 apps - all in folders catogorized by topic and school year!
But it doesn’t offer a:
“click here to NOT wipe out 75% of your current setup”
Try reading my post slower... MUCH MUCH slower and youll see what I was warning people about.
They had a warning box for 10.3.2 and 10.3.3 BUT the app was left in place AND it opened. Not the case with iOS 11 and iTunes 12.7. It simply removes that which is now not compatible.
See the difference? <Grin>
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I'm not updating to the new iTunes and now I'm not updating to a new iPhone because you will be forced to use the new iTunes. I'm 66 years old and I felt confident in backing up my iOS devices to iTunes (including my Apps) on my MacBook Pro just incase something happened to my iPhone and iPad. I can not believe Apple did this. I guess they think we are all computer experts and live in Cupertino. Most of us live hours from an Apple Store for crying out loud!
I just sent feedback through Apple and also called them to voice my detailed concerns. May go the nuclear option and email Tim Cook('s assistant to the assistant of the assistant who forwards nuisance emails). I highly recommend people send feedback and call if this is an issue for you.
As others have stated, it's important to remember that "my needs" aren't the same as "everyone's needs." My own issues are myriad since I maintain a few of my own devices and three other family members' devices (seven or so total spread over three computers and two continents). Each is a specific and differently handled use-case, unfortunately. Some local, some overseas via phone/Skype. Overseas they have crazy slow connections and this'll make backing up a pain beyond reason. For a variety of reasons, their backups are more than normally critical. The family member here relies on me for all maintenance. She was about to upgrade to an 8 but that may not happen based on this. We'll see. As for me, I'm loathe to pay Apple a monthly fee so I can back up my multiple devices to their servers instead of encrypting backups locally. I can only imagine the frustration of those with data caps. Bad enough that these backups themselves are giant lumps (that can be corrupted, can't be selectively restored, etc.).
It was frustrating pondering all the dongle-workarounds with iPhone 7 but it was never that important. This is. Forcing workarounds for basic functions and maintenance is, frankly, irresponsible. Makes me yearn for the simple loss of CoverFlow.
As others have stated, it's important to remember that "my needs" aren't the same as "everyone's needs." My own issues are myriad since I maintain a few of my own devices and three other family members' devices (seven or so total spread over three computers and two continents). Each is a specific and differently handled use-case, unfortunately. Some local, some overseas via phone/Skype. Overseas they have crazy slow connections and this'll make backing up a pain beyond reason. For a variety of reasons, their backups are more than normally critical. The family member here relies on me for all maintenance. She was about to upgrade to an 8 but that may not happen based on this. We'll see. As for me, I'm loathe to pay Apple a monthly fee so I can back up my multiple devices to their servers instead of encrypting backups locally. I can only imagine the frustration of those with data caps. Bad enough that these backups themselves are giant lumps (that can be corrupted, can't be selectively restored, etc.).
It was frustrating pondering all the dongle-workarounds with iPhone 7 but it was never that important. This is. Forcing workarounds for basic functions and maintenance is, frankly, irresponsible. Makes me yearn for the simple loss of CoverFlow.
But aren't they readily available and sold already through the iBooks store? I mean I know Windows doesn't have iBooks and those users would lose the ability to listen to audiobooks, but I'm assuming a great majority of those users probably are using an iOS device anyway. Why not send them off to purchase and manage their collections on their iOS device just like apps? Everyone uses Apps and Apple just cut that off in iTunes.
Edit: I guess the reason and logic behind cutting apps from iTunes is that we don't run iOS apps in Windows or macOS. But audiobooks can be played still on a desktop OS. Duh. Ok that makes sense now. I guess this begs the next question as to why Apple has never brought over iBooks to Windows?
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I know this may not be important to some, but what about users with Windows? Like I said in a previous comment, we need some basic backup/App manager to replace this lost functionality. I have a third-party manager that I think does it. I've only used it for "cleaning" up my photo files, trying to prevent some "ghost" photo thumbnails from showing up (previously deleted folders showing up again). I would prefer using something from Apple.
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i for one won't update. I used itunes 10 for over a year after 11 came out and then finally decided i was ready for an upgrade. i plan on sticking to the version i'm on for a long time too.
Clarification: Safari on macOS. iOS works the same way redirecting you to the App Store.
From what I'm reading it sounds like backing up and syncing on a Mac is going to be an incomplete experience whereas an iCloud backup might be more seamless. Again, I really don't know, don't claim to know because Apple isn't really clear on how backup and sync is changing. They pull out app support and just leave it to us to assume the worst. I would warmly welcome an answer from Apple on how those of us who did complete back up and syncs on iTunes are suppose to do that know. I'm not being sarcastic saying that. I would honestly like a definitive workflow spelled out for me.
What does that have to do with what I said? I’m saying, from my personal experience, that I no longer have ridiculous lag when switching between my library and the store. I don’t recall ever saying gutting the App Store made it faster. I did say useless junk was taken away, but I was more referring to the simplistic UI.
Not at all. Backing up is still fully automatic (if you enable local backups). And when you restore locally from iTunes it should actually be faster than restoring from iCloud as it only has to download the apps themselves vs downloading the apps and your user data when backing up and restoring via iCloud.
The UI for the backup and restore is exactly the same, why do you expect a difference for it?
The workflow is exactly the same in regard to backup and restoring.
What has changed is browsing and purchasing apps, installing, deleting and arranging apps, all of which are gone from iTunes. All of this now can only be done on the device itself (though some limited browsing capabilities are still there but probably mostly by mistake).
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How are we not to assume that 'removing useless junk' and the app 'feeling faster' mentioned together were not to be seen as causal unless explicitly pointed out otherwise?