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Originally posted by ebow
Is anyone else getting bogus characters in the menus? See my screenshot. What's happening is the ellipse characters "..." are being turned into rectangles because of an encoding problem, or something. I may have changed my menu font, but it's only set to MS San Serif (meaning I figured it was a complete font with all appropriate characters).

You need to restart Windows. Your fonts have gotten screwed up. It's not normal to see bolded fonts in the menus.

Usually this is fixed with a restart; sometimes it requires a reinstall of Windows. Not good thing to crop up after an iTunes install ...

Which brings up an important question: If you buy so iTMS music and your PC is one of your three authorized boxes, then Windows does its twice-yearly "Reinstall me or do everything at half speed forever!" demand, do you need to deauth your PC before reinstalling Windows? I suspect you do, which makes the less prevalent but far more dangerous "Reinstall me if you even want to be able to boot up!" demand Windows sometimes throws even more damning ...

I'd hate to lose one of my three computers on account of Microsoft's crappy OS ...
 
Originally posted by alset
Can anyone check the FPS of iTunes visualizer on their PC and Mac and then post the specs for each? I'm really interested in this as an unscientific benchmark.

Dan

I get 26 to 28 full screen
16 in the window

P4 2 Ghz
Compaq Evo Win XP
 
can somebody buy me a gift certificate?

I'll pay you back using paypal or whatever. I just want to try to download my first ITMS song in Europe. To see if it works.

martijnvandijk@mac.com


EDIT: Laurent, a great guy, just sent me a $10 gift certificate. I created an account (I am in The Netherlands, Europe) and 2 minutes later, I downloaded my first ever iTMS song. I am extremely excited
 
We build pc's where I work and I installed iTunes on a brand new machine today. It doesn't run the visualizations any faster than my powerbook 12. It seems faster on normal load up but then again it didn't have my entire music library either 1639 songs. I will try tonight on my pc at home and load up all my music.
 
Re: itunes for windows is a hog

Originally posted by cuchulann
beautiful design but it is a memory hog, 50 megs without visualisations, and it skips when I open up other programs, we are not talking about a wussy computer here either.
Think I will stick to musicmatch for the moment.

Any other experiences?, maybe i should try a wipe and reinstall!!!

31 mb on mine -- I am having no problems. though when I imported a CD it spiked the CPU for the import (80 to 90 %)
 
Screen shot 1

Couple of screenshots. The first is of Web radio, the second (in the next post) is of the visualizer. Everything I've tried so far worked: I downloaded two songs from my Mac using sftp and played them, so AAC files burned on the Mac work beautifully on the Windows iTunes.

Running on XP (with 1 GB of memory and a 2.4 GHz P4 ... what can I say, it's a development machine).
 
If iTunes runs only on Windows 2000/XP-maybe the next update for Quicktime drop suppot for 98/ and ME systems. I noticed that the windows version download is around 20mb . And the Apple Australoia website hasn't been updated yet, with information about the new accessories.
 
Originally posted by Stella
You really expect Apple to support an ancient OS?

Come on, be realistic. Windows 98 / ME, they are old.

Windows XP and 2000 are current.

How many other windows apps require XP/ 2000? Plenty?

Office 2003 requires 2000-service pack 3 or XP.
 
safari itunes music store engine?

Doesn't itunes for mac use the safari rendering engine for the itunes music store? What then is the PC version using? Could this mean that we might see safari for PC in the future when MS IE has ceased to be a stand alone application? Just a thought. I doubt this would benefit apple enough to justify the man power involved.
 
Instructed my bro to download it over the phone for his Win XP 'puter. Let's just say he was impressed. (Very impressed even.) iTunes will be *so* much better an ambassador on the PC compared to the crippled nag-screen infested quicktime player...

(That's the next stop on the technology path, btw - the QuickTime Videostore =P)

/GulGnu
 
There is only one problem.

I very much disagree with Apple's decision to not include WMA playback in the Windows version of iTunes.

I understand that they do not want to support a competing standard... that makes total sense on paper. But I just made my two Windows using roommates instaall iTunes.. they thought it was fabulous. I help them add their music to the Library, and lo and behold, it is all WMA. 2000 songs in WMA.

They don't know what WMA is. It is a Windows default for people who don't know better. It would be foolish for him to have two jukeboxes (Real for WMA and iTunes for AAC/MP3), so he will have to delete iTunes.

I really think that allowing WMA playback (NOT encoding) was necessary here to get people to jump ship.

Otherwise, it is completely flawless software, perfect marketing, and in general an exciting project. However, i think Apple should add a WMA playback plugin IMMEDIATELY.
 
I just thought of something for all the people that think Apple should support WMA.

1. How come you say that but won't say that MS should support AAC?

2. MP3 players, same thing.

It seems to me that Apple is the industry leader not only in the music download biz but also the mp3 biz. WMA isn't even a standard. MS windows definitely has a huge install base but that doesn't mean WMA should have 95% of the market too. Maybe you guys should start complaing to MS and the MP3 player companies that don't support AAC, to start supporting it.

That makes more sense to me.
 
Originally posted by Catt
That maybe so but still a large number of computers run Windows 98 and ME.
I am not saying that the operating systems aren't old, just that most software released on the PC is still compatible with all versions of Windows from 98 SE up to XP. I am very surprised Apple have made iTunes only compatible with 2000 and XP and at any rate to the best of my knowledge ME is younger than 2000.

The deal is not with how old the OS is, but the internal APIs.

There are MANY Windows API niceties which exist in the NT codebase (2k, XP) that never have and obviously never will exist in the 9x codebase (95-ME).

The reasoning behind not supporting ME is thus:

1) Cutting-edge folks, who are generally more likely to both be shopping for tunes onliune and have an iPod which is where Apple makes the money off iTunes, are significantly more likely to have Windows XP than ME, which was widely regarded as an unstable mess of an OS, or Win 98SE, which, while significantly more stable than ME, is still 5+ years old.

2) The APIs they wanted to use were available on Win2k and XP (XP added very few new APIs aside from .NET crapola). Win2k support thus comes relatively "free" with XP support.

3) Physically supporting 2k and XP through tech support is hard enough; supporting the 9x branch of Windows on ANY software more than triples your overall support costs per customer.

So, 2k and XP it is. If you can find a copy of Win2k, I'd highly advise going that route over XP, which adds some flash and sizzle and lots of toddler-friendly colors, but also takes up more resources and thinks it knows better than you more often than Win2k.
 
Originally posted by dbunder
i was really looking forward to itunes for windows. using the same program on my mac and my pc to organize my music would be nice. installed it, tried to add my music to the library, divide by zero error. tried three more times, exact same crash. so much for that!

I had the same problem - I installed Win2k SP4, rebooted the machine, then drag & dropped my music files in small groups over to the iTunes window without a hitch.

How many files were you trying to add?
 
Did anybody catch the fact that out of all legally downloaded music last week, 70% was through iTMS?

Keep in mind that last week, iTunes was Mac-only.

Moral of the story? Apple does not need WMA, is not way behind getting into the music download world for Windows, does not need to support tons of MP3 players...

iTunes + iPod = winning combination

Apple now OWNS the portable digital music player market AND the music download market. If anything, it's the other guys who need to start supporting the standards Apple is using. NOT the other way around.
 
Originally posted by bertagert

1. How come you say that but won't say that MS should support AAC?

Do we really want to play AAC songs in Windows Media Player? Not when we have iTunes. Of course if you already have thousands of songs in WMA, are you going to rerip them just to use iTunes? A normal windows user would say no!
 
Originally posted by bertagert
I just thought of something for all the people that think Apple should support WMA.

1. How come you say that but won't say that MS should support AAC?

2. MP3 players, same thing.

It seems to me that Apple is the industry leader not only in the music download biz but also the mp3 biz. WMA isn't even a standard. MS windows definitely has a huge install base but that doesn't mean WMA should have 95% of the market too. Maybe you guys should start complaing to MS and the MP3 player companies that don't support AAC, to start supporting it.

That makes more sense to me.


Youre right about those points, but you're missing the problem. People may be all cool in starting NOW to rip AAC.. but we have to get Windows users with 1000's of songs ALREADY ripped to WMA to abandon MusicMatch, WMP, and RealOne, to use iTunes.

I think lots of players will start supporting AAC now, and thats great... but there needs to be a way that we don't penalize poor Windows users who didn't know any better by using the default WMA encoding.

Would you re-rip 2000 songs to a new format just to use new software? I sure wouldn't. That would take months, unless you have no life :)
 
Re: There is only one problem.

Originally posted by snahabed
I very much disagree with Apple's decision to not include WMA playback in the Windows version of iTunes.

I understand that they do not want to support a competing standard... that makes total sense on paper. But I just made my two Windows using roommates instaall iTunes.. they thought it was fabulous. I help them add their music to the Library, and lo and behold, it is all WMA. 2000 songs in WMA.

They don't know what WMA is. It is a Windows default for people who don't know better. It would be foolish for him to have two jukeboxes (Real for WMA and iTunes for AAC/MP3), so he will have to delete iTunes.

I really think that allowing WMA playback (NOT encoding) was necessary here to get people to jump ship.

Otherwise, it is completely flawless software, perfect marketing, and in general an exciting project. However, i think Apple should add a WMA playback plugin IMMEDIATELY.

I really dont follow your logic. I understand that windows users may use WMP by defult, but thats their issue. Keep in mind. iTunes is a FREE APP. If someone wants to test drive it, there's not a net loss. Worst case senerio, users may have to re rip their music. But given the limitations of WMP that may not be a bad idea. Apple's partnership with AOL and Pepsi will go a long way in knocking down M$ WMA as a "standard".

Hell, if nothing else........ya cant please everybody.:D :D
 
Originally posted by snahabed
Youre right about those points,.....Would you re-rip 2000 songs to a new format just to use new software? I sure wouldn't. That would take months, unless you have no life :)

Good point. From my point of view it went like this: I asked 20 friends about ripping their music. They all replied with, "I rip into mp3". So my theory was not many people even rip into WMA. Of course 9 of them have an ipod so theres no way they would be using WMA.

I guess this is really a tuff call but I'm going to go with my previous posts in other threads. I really do think this has to do with Apple not wanting MS to have yet another "standard" and thats why they won't allow WMA. I guess only time will tell what will happen. I give my vote to AAC and the open standards. Let the best marketing machine win.
 
Re: Re: There is only one problem.

Originally posted by wiz7dome
I really dont follow your logic. I understand that windows users may use WMP by defult, but thats their issue. Keep in mind. iTunes is a FREE APP. If someone wants to test drive it, there's not a net loss. Worst case senerio, users may have to re rip their music. But given the limitations of WMP that may not be a bad idea. Apple's partnership with AOL and Pepsi will go a long way in knocking down M$ WMA as a "standard".

Hell, if nothing else........ya cant please everybody.:D :D

Like I said, I think I know where youre coming from, but the idea here cannot be "thats their issue." That is not the best way to convert people to our side :)

I guess as it stands, I will advise them to convert to high bitrate MP3s... I know there will be a degradation in quality, but they didnt even know what a WMA was, so I doubt they will notice.

Maybe Apple should include info or a free batch coverter utility? I am just looking for ways to make the conversion to iTunes easier.
 
this is really cool. at work i noticed the 'shared music' folder has twice as many users now!
 
Re: Re: Re: There is only one problem.

Originally posted by snahabed
Like I said, I think I know where youre coming from, but the idea here cannot be "thats their issue." That is not the best way to convert people to our side :)


You're right. Maybe a 3rd party could develop a 'batch conversion' app. I dont think M$ will make it easy though. After all.......it is Micro****:D :D
 
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