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Apple Releases iTunes Windows and More
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Most people ripping to AAC in Windows before iTunes for Windows was available were using Nero Burning ROM, or that is the impression that I got when reading through hydrogenaudio.org 's forums.
Those Nero AAC files seemed to play perfectly fine when using whatever AAC player anyone used except for QuickTime for Windows 6.3, which was reported to create lots of artifacts and hissing. Not that anybody cared, since obviously nobody uses QuickTime as a jukebox. Quicktime 6.4, however, does not seem to have solved that, and iTunes for Windows, hence, has inherited the bug or whatever that is causing that.
So it seems to me that the people that have been interested in MPEG-4 sound and fiddling with it in Windows for some time are precisely the ones to reject iTfW more openly.
Those Nero AAC files seemed to play perfectly fine when using whatever AAC player anyone used except for QuickTime for Windows 6.3, which was reported to create lots of artifacts and hissing. Not that anybody cared, since obviously nobody uses QuickTime as a jukebox. Quicktime 6.4, however, does not seem to have solved that, and iTunes for Windows, hence, has inherited the bug or whatever that is causing that.
So it seems to me that the people that have been interested in MPEG-4 sound and fiddling with it in Windows for some time are precisely the ones to reject iTfW more openly.
Sounds like Apple is doing M$ a favor then. Likely it's because of the networking/sharing that is built into iTunes. Not to mention the USB 2.0 compatibility needed for the iPod as well. Integrating all of that into legacy OSes like 98 & ME would have been too much trouble to bother with apparently or else I'm sure Apple would have done so.
Re: Re: Re: Re: itunes for windows is a hog
Virtual Memory certianly wouldn't help matters (this is windows remember). I have virtual memory disabled. I haven't had a problem running out of memory but since iTunes uses so much RAM, it cause it my whole system to be sluggish, but I still have 300Mb of RAM free.
It is Microsoft Windows, so I guess I can't expect too much from it.
Virtual Memory certianly wouldn't help matters (this is windows remember). I have virtual memory disabled. I haven't had a problem running out of memory but since iTunes uses so much RAM, it cause it my whole system to be sluggish, but I still have 300Mb of RAM free.
It is Microsoft Windows, so I guess I can't expect too much from it.
Hmmmm... not sure. USB 2.0 is backwards compatible with USB 1.0 and seeing as MusicMatch supports USB 2.0 transfer speeds and runs on ME, yet ME doesn't support USB 2.0, indicates that this isn't actually/shouldn't be a problem. Added to this the fact that AFAIK 2000 doesn't support USB 2.0 either and it looks like this isn't at issue.
2000 and XP are closer together in terms of software code so it may just be that able didn't have the time or inclination to develop iTunes for 98 SE and ME as they would require a slightly different code.
arrrrrrrg!!!
I went, dl'ed iTunes 4.1 update, installed it, and now it tells me "The iTunes Music Library file cannot be read because it does not appear to be a valid library file." I really don't want to redo all my playlists and I don't want it to re-run soundcheck on all those files. Help!!!!!!!!!!!! I was so excited about getting the new iTunes, but I've been shot down.... At least I still get to email all my Windows friends iTunes installers. Hehehe.....
I went, dl'ed iTunes 4.1 update, installed it, and now it tells me "The iTunes Music Library file cannot be read because it does not appear to be a valid library file." I really don't want to redo all my playlists and I don't want it to re-run soundcheck on all those files. Help!!!!!!!!!!!! I was so excited about getting the new iTunes, but I've been shot down.... At least I still get to email all my Windows friends iTunes installers. Hehehe.....
i was really looking forward to itunes for windows. using the same program on my mac and my pc to organize my music would be nice. installed it, tried to add my music to the library, divide by zero error. tried three more times, exact same crash. so much for that!
Speculation is that the reason for ONLY supporting XP/2000 is because of the CD/DVD driver support these OS' offer. 98 and ME didn't have embedded drivers for the multitude of CD/RW's out there but the new Windows OS' do.
Must have a credit card
One thing that REALLY annoys me is that you can't log into the iTMS without having a credit card.
I don't have a credit card, and while this obviously wasn't an issue before (because there was no other way to buy tunes without a credit card), it is now, since there's now both allowances and gift certificates.
My friend and I tried to test out these features, and it seems that for both gift certificates AND allowances using existing Apple ID accounts (a.k.a. .mac users), you have to have a credit card. If you use your .mac account, you're not allowed to create a new account under that e-mail address -- you have to just "review" the account, which entails entering a credit card.
Therefore it seems the only way you can access and get music through the iTMS without having a credit card is by not having an existing Apple ID or .mac account, or not having the need to use this e-mail address when using the iTMS.
Grr. Minor gripe, sure, but I'd like to buy some music, Apple!
One thing that REALLY annoys me is that you can't log into the iTMS without having a credit card.
I don't have a credit card, and while this obviously wasn't an issue before (because there was no other way to buy tunes without a credit card), it is now, since there's now both allowances and gift certificates.
My friend and I tried to test out these features, and it seems that for both gift certificates AND allowances using existing Apple ID accounts (a.k.a. .mac users), you have to have a credit card. If you use your .mac account, you're not allowed to create a new account under that e-mail address -- you have to just "review" the account, which entails entering a credit card.
Therefore it seems the only way you can access and get music through the iTMS without having a credit card is by not having an existing Apple ID or .mac account, or not having the need to use this e-mail address when using the iTMS.
Grr. Minor gripe, sure, but I'd like to buy some music, Apple!
Rendezvouz Goodness
Very cool. My iBook is streaming to my office machine (XP). The office PC picked up the iBook library right off the bat. Very easy, very cool, and very nice.
I don't like to use the PC but at least now I have a little comfort while I'm forced to do so.
Very cool. My iBook is streaming to my office machine (XP). The office PC picked up the iBook library right off the bat. Very easy, very cool, and very nice.
I don't like to use the PC but at least now I have a little comfort while I'm forced to do so.
98 and ME are difficult to support
98 and ME use the old architecture of the OS (based on DOS). There are somethings in Windows programming that just cannot be done elegantly in Windows 98 and ME. As part of my job, I write code for Windows and we needed to support both 98 and 2000. One part of our code worked very easily on 2000/XP (just 50 lines of code). However, in order to support 98, I had to add another 2000 lines of code to make it work (as a workaround). This had to do with domain authentication, etc. This might be a reason, why Apple decided to use a clean slate and develop just for Windows 2000/XP. Also, people still using Win 98/ME may not be that likely to try out online music.
-Siva
98 and ME use the old architecture of the OS (based on DOS). There are somethings in Windows programming that just cannot be done elegantly in Windows 98 and ME. As part of my job, I write code for Windows and we needed to support both 98 and 2000. One part of our code worked very easily on 2000/XP (just 50 lines of code). However, in order to support 98, I had to add another 2000 lines of code to make it work (as a workaround). This had to do with domain authentication, etc. This might be a reason, why Apple decided to use a clean slate and develop just for Windows 2000/XP. Also, people still using Win 98/ME may not be that likely to try out online music.
-Siva
I don't see why that is such a problem. If other Music software packages can do it why can't Apple's iTunes? Windows Media Player and Music Match run on most flavours of Windows.
Personally I would prefer to have full iTunes features minus CD-Burning as one can always burn files to CD independently of iTunes if they wanted to; okay maybe it'd be a little less elagent a solution but it would still work.
You are right Win2000 came out earlier than Windows ME, but the code base for Win2000 was used to create Windows XP. Windows ME code base was trashed (because it was the worst operating system ever)
Apple supporting Windows 2000 is only because WinXP is just Win2000 updated. The win95/98/Me OS was ended because the code base sucked.
Yes, but would you really WANT to try and sync it at USB 1.1 speeds?
Apple tries to stick to making the user experience a good one...and that would be really, really dreadful trying to sync an iPod over that kind of a connection. I'm not sure about Win2k either as far as USB 2.0 goes, I just know it's a no go apparently for 98 & ME.I am all too aware of the failings of Windows ME
Ah well guess I'll just have to live with it
Hopefully I'll be able to buy a new Laptop soon...
Originally posted by Lancetx
Yes, but would you really WANT to try and sync it at USB 1.1 speeds?
of course syncing over USB 1.1 would be utter madness!
I use a the mini-firewire port on my ME Laptop.
PC and Mac via iPod
So I have a Mac at home with 10Gb of tunes, synced up with my 3rd gen iPod. At work I have a pc with Firewire cable and a just downloaded iTunes for Windoze.
What I can't see is a way I can transfer the tunes from my iPod to pc and keep both versions of iTunes in sync via the iPod.
Any ideas?
So I have a Mac at home with 10Gb of tunes, synced up with my 3rd gen iPod. At work I have a pc with Firewire cable and a just downloaded iTunes for Windoze.
What I can't see is a way I can transfer the tunes from my iPod to pc and keep both versions of iTunes in sync via the iPod.
Any ideas?
I'm sorry but I totally disagree. Apple needs to make sure that this program runs flawlessly. Do you even understand the Pandora's box that would open up if iTunes was compatible with certain CD players or didn't work. They said themselves that this was a trojan horse to get people to switch to a Mac. How does that make them look when it functions like other windows programs, i.e. poorly?
Originally posted by Catt
I am all too aware of the failings of Windows ME
Ah well guess I'll just have to live with it
Hopefully I'll be able to buy a new Laptop soon...
I had a laptop with WinME, it caused me so may problems I went out and got Windows 2000 to put on it. Wow, what a difference.
I would have got WinXP but I don't think it could have handled all the extra mess.
It does run iTunes pretty well with Win2000
Just downloaded and installed on my PC at work. I gotta say it is so nice to have a little bit of apple injected into my hellish pc work day.
Memory/Processor Usage
An earlier poster complained of high memory and processor usage under Windows 2000.
Here's a copy of the Task Manager screen from my P3/800 at work (256MB RAM):
and the iTunes session I was using:
My machine was at approximately 11% processor usage at the time, with iTunes using ~20MB of RAM...
An earlier poster complained of high memory and processor usage under Windows 2000.
Here's a copy of the Task Manager screen from my P3/800 at work (256MB RAM):
and the iTunes session I was using:
My machine was at approximately 11% processor usage at the time, with iTunes using ~20MB of RAM...
Re: PC and Mac via iPod
This doesn't work on two Macs either. Your iPod is linked to only one computer. The music industry pressured Apple to do this from the get-go. The reason being, they don't want the iPod to be a medium for illegally trading music. I would imagine that this would also carry over to two computers, Mac and PC.
That said, there are a number of programs for the Mac that allow you to transfer music from your iPod to any number of other Macs. It will probably be only a matter of time before these hacks show up for a PC too.
This doesn't work on two Macs either. Your iPod is linked to only one computer. The music industry pressured Apple to do this from the get-go. The reason being, they don't want the iPod to be a medium for illegally trading music. I would imagine that this would also carry over to two computers, Mac and PC.
That said, there are a number of programs for the Mac that allow you to transfer music from your iPod to any number of other Macs. It will probably be only a matter of time before these hacks show up for a PC too.
so where do we go to hear about non-mac pc users´opinion of iTunes for Windows. Tried googling windows discussion groups and came up with nothing like this site.