I'd like to know as well. Also, can someone with a Mac Pro confirm it is uses all 4 or 8 cores??
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I'd like to know as well. Also, can someone with a Mac Pro confirm it is uses all 4 or 8 cores??
First, I'm not asking Apple for my money back, or wanting any money back. I expect to pay good money for good products. So I'm not bitter or unhappy about that - I thought it was worth it, and I paid willingly. What has me upset is the dongle situation. You are simply wrong with regard to pirates cracking the dongle. They have not, not in all the time Logic has been out. If you don't believe it, go research it. That is what I liked about it - the fact that I paid for it and knew that thieves could not get at it. Guess what - already today Logic Studio is out on bt... go check it out. That has me extremely pissed off, because I know that at least half of all those people celebrating the "no dongle" situation are doing so because they can now get it for free. I pay for the product which allows Apple to develop new stuff, and basically I'm subsidising all the parasites and thieves who then mooch off of it. That's why I'm angry with Apple for taking the dongle away - it makes those of us who supported the company all these years look like fools and suckers and idiots. As a matter of fact, I'm going to join the petition that's developing to bring back the dongle - Apple listens to their loyal customers, and I bet if we raise a stink big enough, they'll bring back the dongle. Again - the dongle has never been cracked. BRING IT BACK APPLE!!!
I've been using Logic since V4 and have spent a lot over the years, but I have to say that the no dongle situation is exactly what I was after. If you're a laptop user (as I am) it is a big PITA to have it hanging off the side of the computer.
I understand what you're saying but there is no way apple will bring back the dongle so just live with it and carry on making music. They couldn't care less if people use a downloaded version because it means those people need a mac to run it.
I agree with this. I purchased Logic 7 and suffered the learning curve. I have the precious white dongle and it makes me nervous to this day. I didn't like searching the net at 3 am panicked because I couldn't launch Logic due to my internal clock being incorrect (WTF??
). Come to find out my XS Key needed to be updated. But who needs that stress? The fact is Logic being pirated doesn't really equal lost sales any more than a song recorded off of the radio equals a lost sale. DRM makes since on paper but the people who buy songs have a big problem with it and made more noise than those who didn't want to pay for it. Many who bought Logic and activated their key used it, but didn't like it. Its professional software and a business expense. One could make the case that Apple is looking for more market penetration that "piracy" could provide.
Couldn't you say that about ALL software, though? Should I have to have an entire filing cabinet full of dongles just to run a program? Imagine having to insert a dongle for EVERY SINGLE PROGRAM you used on your computer! PITA doesn't even BEGIN to cover it, IMO.
As for this perceived situation you imagine in your head about other people getting to use for free what you paid for, does that bother you for every piece of software you buy? Quite honestly, it totally and utterly completely smacks of PARANOIA, IMO. Of course there are pirates out there. There are also terrorists, bank robbers and crack addicts. Does that mean I'm going to have trouble sleeping at night because I'm so worried and/or ticked off about it all? I sure hope not because I need my sleep so I can function at work the next day, etc.
It just seems to me you should be worrying about YOU and your own decisions in life, not actively trying to make life more difficult for the rest of us that don't want dongles for ANY software. Contrary to what you might think, not all of us who don't want dongles are thieves. And more importantly, what business is it of yours anyway? Are you one of those people that feels you must try to enforce the speed limit on freeways by blocking/obstructing the passing lane so others cannot get around traffic? I've seen that sort of thing before and guess what? That's actually also illegal and BEYOND annoying, besides (passing lane is for passing only). And that's what trying to bring dongles back smacks of, ANNOYING.
Where's the petition to get rid of you? I'll happily sign it.
Listen apple aren't idiots. I totally agree that the dongle hasn't been cracked, and therefor they know the risk their taking by removing it. that coupled with the fact that they've lowered the price so much that, as many have put it, it's worth the price of the Jam Packs alone makes you wonder. You ever think that maybe apple wants this in as many hands as possible? What you got to ask your self is why? How does apple profit from more Logic users? Maybe it's to compete with ProTools and gain more market share in the professional market? Or maybe it's not as specific as that, but broader. How do they profit from more people making music?
i personally hated the dongle. They charge you $1000 dollars pretty much just for that and then they cheap out on a bloody cap for it. Even flash drives come with those.
Um... you're most definitely WRONG there. My first ever encounter with logic was about 5 years ago when I bought my first iBook (i think thats what they were called then) second hand off a friend... it included Logic and a "DONGLE EMULATOR". And that was back in the OS 9 days.
So before you go and get all high and mighty... maybe do a little research yourself.
And so you don't think I'm one of those parasites... I now have a purchased copy of 7.2 and am waiting for the free upgrade (I never actually used the old version... was a bit beyond me at the time).
Oh... and here are some screen shots for you too...
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Logic 8 Studio - at least 2GB RAM for huge intruments
Normally my MBP uses .5GB when idle, When I load Logic 8 with demo song Shiny Toy Guns "Le Disco" (66 tracks) my memory usage jumps to 1.09GB and its stays this way during playback or even drops lower. This song does not use a lot of VST, just a few. So I could not tell exactly what impact VST make.
But for example, when I start a new project from Compose - electronic template which has 14 VST tracks memory would tick at 1.02GB.
It is true Logic 8 VST are comparable to Logic 7, but Logic 8 seems to be better optimized. Also, I think it will drop some virtual memory it does not need when you switch to other application and reallocate it when you return back to logic. But wait, I have 2 project loaded demo and new and it did not use more memory at all, figures.
I would not worry about memory limits, Logic developers know about new Mac Pro & other new macs capabilities for a while. I am pretty sure it will take advantage of your system resources. But you need to be efficient as well to help it not to waste it for nothing.
Normally my MBP uses .5GB when idle, When I load Logic 8 with demo song Shiny Toy Guns "Le Disco" (66 tracks) my memory usage jumps to 1.09GB and its stays this way during playback or even drops lower. This song does not use a lot of VST, just a few. So I could not tell exactly what impact VST make.
But for example, when I start a new project from Compose - electronic template which has 14 VST tracks memory would tick at 1.02GB.
It is true Logic 8 VST are comparable to Logic 7, but Logic 8 seems to be better optimized. Also, I think it will drop some virtual memory it does not need when you switch to other application and reallocate it when you return back to logic. But wait, I have 2 project loaded demo and new and it did not use more memory at all, figures.
I would not worry about memory limits, Logic developers know about new Mac Pro & other new macs capabilities for a while. I am pretty sure it will take advantage of your system resources. But you need to be efficient as well to help it not to waste it for nothing.
Actually, you're the one who is wrong. As you said, that was back in the OS9 days. But those days are long gone.
Logic 5 was cracked. I don't think 6 was ever cracked. And I know no version of 7.x was cracked.
Cracking one version doesn't mean the developer can't improve the copy protection and get an app that isn't cracked.
As you said, before you go and get all high and mighty, maybe do a little research yourself.
I wish I didn't have to worry about it. But memory has been the big Logic bottleneck for years now. L7 maxed out between 3 and 4 gigs, which believe it or not isn't enough for many of the big libraries, even with extremely efficient use. Hopefully that limit has been lifted with 8, but that's not clear yet.
Can anyone tell me at what points you have to pay for updates. I'm on Logic Pro 7.2.3, so I'm debating spending £129 to update it, particularly if there will be an upgrade fee to get to 8.1 etc. I know Apple don't usually charge for .x updates, but I vaguely remember something about there being a charge for one of he 7.x upgrades (although that might have been something to do with the universal binary...)
Apologies for the stream of consciousness post - it's very late here.
Apologies for the stream of consciousness post - it's very late here.
I would like to know too. I am considering buying the upgrade / academic version depending if I can haggle a discount on the upgrade tomorrow or monday...
It is even later here.
is the higher education discount for Euro's only? I seem to always see the mighty pound symbol when referring to it.
That's good to see Apple taking care of multi-core Macs in Logic Studio. Should yield better performance.
milo, the poster was asking it Logic Stuido used all avalible cores, not if the OS did.
I think it is still unknown if Logic Studio will use all the cores.
Do all Babya Logic functions continue to work with Logic 8?
Were you involved in the update of Logic 7 to Logic 8?
I never said later versions were cracked... I was just responding to your claim... and I quote "You are simply wrong with regard to pirates cracking the dongle. They have not, not in all the time Logic has been out."
Maybe you meant Logic 7 but you just wrote "in all the time Logic has been out".
He was referring to the CPU bars in Logic (Under "Audio" and then "system Performance" in Logic Menus). I think it was earlier in this thread that someone posted a screenshot of all 8 cores.
So it appears it does... which is a good thing I guess (although I haven't even got mine to max out on my iMac 2.8 C2D).
I was saying that logic studio uses all eight, not the OS. I have seen screenshots of LOGIC that show eight cpu bars. Logic has long had a cpu meter included in the app, it shows a bar for each core.
It is most definitely known, Logic uses all 8. What I want to know is if it can use more than 4 gigs of ram.
Here's a screenshot of the logic cpu meters on an 8 core machine:
I wasn't the one who said that, it was someone else. Yes, logic has been cracked in the past, but not in the last few years, and only the previous dongle, I don't think the USB one has been hacked. His point is that the dongle has been extremely effective to stop copies, and he is right.
Well, I tried my luck upgrading my Aca copy this week and failed, so I exchanged it for the full version. Can't blame a guy for trying to save a few bucks, right?
I haven't gotten to play with it for too long, but I do like the workflow better than the previous version.
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I haven't gotten to play with it for too long, but I do like the workflow better than the previous version.
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BTW, my copy of 7 is on eBay starting at $100
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