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Surprised to get this update!

After the update 500mb disappeared… Seems like a massive content included in the update!

That would be great if there were other updates included. OS X Snow Leopard is valuable if you run old programs that are limited to the 32-bit architecture.

I am wondering if Apple is copying Miscrosoft and will have a banner telling everyone to upgrade like in OS X Lion. I am sure Apple has a count of how many users still use OS X Snow Leopard and I am sure all would be surprised just how many are....

There is a lot of older systems out their in the world and are good enough not to go into land fills. With all of the money Apple has, they should employ one old guy to continue to work on OS X Snow Leopard. All those old system users WILL eventually upgrade after buying off eBay or second hand. Easy marketing for future sales.

Once you bit into "The Apple" Ecosystem, you want more...and more...and more....
 
No, only the Core Duo (32-bit processor) machines can run a maximum of 10.6 Snow Leopard i.e. the first-generation Intel Macs. However there are quite a lot of Macs that can run a maximum of 10.7 Lion and in my opinion Lion is vastly inferior to Snow Leopard (worse interface, performance, etc) and many prefer Snowy even to later versions as it was such a high-quality release, so there's plenty of reasons still to run it on older Macs that can.

I've got an old MacBook Pro that serves as our home media server - 10.7 is the last version of OS X available to it.

I would've liked to stay on 10.6.8, since my sentiment there is the same as yours... but there was an app I needed on there that wouldn't run on anything older than 10.7. So I held my nose and installed Lion.

(wish I could've gotten to 10.8 - Mountain Lion was far superior to Lion).
 
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Weird. Wouldn't expect Apple care at all about Snow Leopard anymore.
Maybe the only thing this update does is to ensure that Mac App Store app on Snow Leopard can continue to properly download Lion (or other higher OS versions) while they change things on the server side.
 
That's be great if I was still using my G5 Quad, other than a big brick to print from (long story I have RIP software that's compatible only to Leopard and cost me an arm and a leg to print accurate colour off an Epson Stylus 1290), but I no longer can get WIFI off it, regardless great to see they're still supporting it.
 
I also miss SL. I've upgraded to El Cap, but have a SL partition. When I boot to it, I'm always surprised how much faster it is than Lion/MLion/Yosemit/El Capitan. I only upgraded for app/driver support. I still miss the grid in spaces; it is so much better than the single row that replaced it.
 
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This is great news, as it is very hard for folks who are not tech savvy to figure out what update they should do next. This is my SL machine [i use to run a bookstore biz and it's rock solid], and the App Store prior to today, showing 3 OS X updates:
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[and yes, 10.7.x is missing from that list - i have no idea why! i guess even apple knows it's a windows me/vista kinda release!]
 
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Rebooted into SL to update MAS... But wow, I really missed the extreme speediness of SL on SSD... None of the post-SL OS X is that fast... Launching de facto OS X apps are instantaneous...
 
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I too miss OS X Snow Leopard. Fast and to the point. No thrills or bells or whistles.

It was the OS X that got me finally to switch over completely from Windows. I purchased a 2008 Air that had OS X Leopard on it and then a few weeks later OS X Snow Leopard came out...WOW...for the time a great user experience, few bugs, fast, felt like a light weight OS, took away 5 gigs off the OS giving my then 64 SSD some extra space which was like gold at the time....

Good memories. Now...eh....have to wait a year until the OS X finally works after many version upgrades.

But...El Capitan looks promising and hope they continue to improve it.
 
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Like when SL had a bunch of bugs when it was released? The cult like view of SL is weird.

All you do is whine, do you even like Apple?

I absolutely agree. People seem to forget what SL was like when it was released. I remember people at the time calling it the "Vista" of Apple's releases now it's looked upon fondly.
 
I absolutely agree. People seem to forget what SL was like when it was released. I remember people at the time calling it the "Vista" of Apple's releases now it's looked upon fondly.

And who in the right mind would compare a buggy 10.6.0 with a buggy 10.11.4 or 10.11.5 for that matter...? It's even weirder don't you think...? :rolleyes:
 
I absolutely agree... Right now the quality of iOS/OS X upon new release is really questionable, bugs galore... You'd think this public beta stuff would help, but it doesnt seem so...

The first few versions of Snow Leopard were not exactly bug free. There were the same complaints back then about bugs as there are now. The release cycle was longer but still far from bug free.
 
Too bad that they didn't even bother making iTunes 12 compatible with Snow Leopard...
If I had known getting the 6s would require me to get Yosemite, I would not buy the phone..

I found the same issue when I was backing up my iPhone 6 [on iOS8] to a computer using Snow Leopard. When that phone died and I had a replacement under Apple Care with iOS9 pre-installed. I then found I was unable to restore and sync my phone, because iOS9 requires the latest copy of iTunes. However, it was not possible to download the latest copy of iTunes because they will not allow Snow Leopard to support it. I had to upgrade my OS on that Computer.

So what is the point in upgrading the App store to work, but not iTunes? The answer is greed IMO.

iTunes sells music and Apps for your iOS device and so you are held to ransom by Apple. They can force you to upgrade your iOS (removing choice), remove support, or cripple it with a redundant and incompatible software bloat (allegedly..) so you buy a new device to keep hardware profits up.

However with the App Store, they cannot exercise that much control and is overall less damaging to their hardware profits and you can still use and buy software for pretty much any good and recent OSX anywhere else. You can also to a point control which OS you want to run on your Computer subject to it’s release date, which you cannot do with an iOS device if you need to re-install.

If they stopped allowing SL users to download software from the App Store that can also run on SL, then they would face issues with software developers and lose profit when users buy from MacUpdate etc.
 
I absolutely agree... Right now the quality of iOS/OS X upon new release is really questionable, bugs galore... You'd think this public beta stuff would help, but it doesnt seem so...

But then again, what do you expect when they spend valuable time on stilly "features" like Live Photos.

Except that Live Photos isn't a silly feature, but thanks for playing anyway, hipster!
 
The love affair mentality that some are making fun of is not what you think of as a "love affair", but a desire just to have an OS X that is fast, reliable and able to support your software and not make you have to upgrade your software or drivers every time (yearly) a new OS comes out.

When OS's were first created, they Were originally just to create a platform and an envoiroment for software to run and was not focused On being complicated, overbearing, or take away or exceeding its reason of existence: to allow software to run. Now OS's have grown to do more than its original first task and now causes excess conflicts with other software functions more so now and creates more and more bugs to deal with that take at least four versions to fix on average. Not to say this evolution is bad necessarily (of course new features are nice), but it causes complicated issues with users who use software to make a living or do not have the money to keep buying upgrades to their already working software.

People say, "Then don't upgrade." No....eventually you are forced due to lack of continued support and or security issues or having to buy a new computer (no backward OS X comparability). Yes, Apple supports their OS X's for a reasonable time, but in the era of Snow Leopard to Lion and the execution of 32-bit when Mountain Lion came out (within a three year period) many of us who had invested in serious hardware that ran on 32-bit platforms were screwed Due to not working any longer or no driver support with the removal of Rosetta.

People say, "It is not Apples's fault, but is the third party companies not providing support on their equipment.." No...with now every year a changing OS X, companies cannot keep up, but just produce newer software or hardware instead while their old equipment (old-now three years ago or three OS X's ago) becomes land fill.

This is why I believe people still like Snow Leopard concept. After the usual working out of the bug period, it became a solid OS X, fast, and ran ALL of my software and hardware..finally. But then the next year when Lion came out...things changed (and this is still the same trend now). Back to having to do it all over again. Yes, you could boot up in 32-bit mode in Lion, but Lion seemed to be an unfinished product, as Mountain Lion seem to be the focus and real goal. Same as today. Plus, during that time, Apple started to make changes internally when Steve Jobs had exited due to health problems and new programmers and leads entered the scene with a different idea and approach. Again not totally bad, but direction and quality lessen as we still suffer today. Yearly unfinished OS X's and then another comes along....

It is the Snow Leopard concept that people have a "love affair" with. Some love an OS X that "just works". OS X Snow Leopard eventually did that.
 
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The love affair mentality that some are making fun of is not what you think of as a "love affair", but a desire just to have an OS X that is fast, reliable and able to support your software and not make you have to upgrade your software or drivers every time (yearly) a new OS comes out.

When OS's were first created, they Were originally just to create a platform and an envoiroment for software to run and was not focused On being complicated, overbearing, or take away or exceeding its reason of existence: to allow software to run. Now OS's have grown to do more than its original first task and now causes excess conflicts with other software functions more so now and creates more and more bugs to deal with that take at least four versions to fix on average. Not to say this evolution is bad necessarily (of course new features are nice), but it causes complicated issues with users who use software to make a living or do not have the money to keep buying upgrades to their already working software.

People say, "Then don't upgrade." No....eventually you are forced due to lack of continued support and or security issues or having to buy a new computer (no backward OS X comparability). Yes, Apple supports their OS X's for a reasonable time, but in the era of Snow Leopard to Lion and the execution of 32-bit when Mountain Lion came out (within a three year period) many of us who had invested in serious hardware that ran on 32-bit platforms were screwed Due to not working any longer or no driver support with the removal of Rosetta.

People say, "It is not Apples's fault, but is the third party companies not providing support on their equipment.." No...with now every year a changing OS X, companies cannot keep up, but just produce newer software or hardware instead while their old equipment (old-now three years ago or three OS X's ago) becomes land fill.

This is why I believe people still like Snow Leopard concept. After the usual working out of the bug period, it became a solid OS X, fast, and ran ALL of my software and hardware..finally. But then the next year when Lion came out...things changed (and this is still the same trend now). Back to having to do it all over again. Yes, you could boot up in 32-bit mode in Lion, but Lion seemed to be an unfinished product, as Mountain Lion seem to be the focus and real goal. Same as today. Plus, during that time, Apple started to make changes internally when Steve Jobs had exited due to health problems and new programmers and leads entered the scene with a different idea and approach. Again not totally bad, but direction and quality lessen as we still suffer today. Yearly unfinished OS X's and then another comes along....

It is the Snow Leopard concept that people have a "love affair" with. Some love an OS X that "just works". OS X Snow Leopard eventually did that.

Get out if here with your logic...;)

Yes, the focus on yearly OS 'upgrades' (which alienate hardware) as opposed to yearly updates (which enable continued and backwards compatibility) is a ridiculous trend. But we all know why they do this... and is following the same model as iOS.

It is a fact that my 2011 27" 3.4Ghz iMac with 16GB memory ran faster under SL (up until a few weeks ago), than is does under Yosemite and it is driving 2 x Thunderbolt displays. It has slowed to the point that I have ordered 32GB of memory coming this weekend to give it kick up the pants.

Under UK and EU law my Hardware is guaranteed against manufacturing faults for 6 years from purchase. Therefore, it should really be supported with fully compatible software [theoretically, if not legally] as it was intended to work for that lifetime.
 
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Get out if here with your logic...;)

Yes, the focus on yearly OS 'upgrades' (which alienate hardware) as opposed to yearly updates (which enable continued and backwards compatibility) is a ridiculous trend. But we all know why they do this... and is following the same model as iOS.

It is a fact that my 2011 27" 3.4Ghz iMac with 16GB memory ran faster under SL (up until a few weeks ago), than is does under Yosemite and it is driving 2 x Thunderbolt displays. It has slowed to the point that I have ordered 32GB of memory coming this weekend to give it kick up the pants.

Under UK and EU law my Hardware is guaranteed against manufacturing faults for 6 years from purchase. Therefore, it should really be supported with fully compatible software [theoretically, if not legally] as it was intended to work for that lifetime.

Explain more for my understanding: you are saying that by UK and EU law, your hardware and software is "theoretically" guaranteed for 6 years which equates to what the UK and EU consider the lifetime of the purchased system....

But of course (correct me of course if I misunderstand)....it is guaranteed to be "fully functioning" as per the day you purchased it, as as far as what Apple "guarantees" or says at that time is a "fully functional" OS X and computer for the time it is released.

Laws cannot guarantee that the OS X will fully function without bugs, let alone function together with third party software or hardware, even if your software and third party hardware worked on the old OSX if you upgraded of the life of the purchase. Who is smoking what in the courts of the U.K.?

I was not referring to the actual system (hardware and software that is considered "the one purchase" as the law "suggests" as guaranteed. Of course the software that comes with the OS X like GarageBand and a few other software should work because it came with your purchase of the Mac and is considered "the purchase", but laws cannot guarantee that outside Apple third party software will work after the new OS X comes out for 6 years or the life of your purchase. Dream on....;)

What I was talking about is that if you either upgrade or buy a new system with the new OS X, then try to use already owned software and hardware that is not Apple's (like musical interfaces let's say) that you bought prior to the new "guaranteed" purchase, and now does not work because of the once a year OS X change... Your screwed. No laws can garrentee that. Yes, you can downgrade to the older OS X if you upgraded, but if you had to buy a new computer with the next OS X, you cannot go back to a working OS X to use with your previous purchased software and third party hardware and have to purchase all over again (screwed).

Snow Leopard concept is "liked" because finally an OS X "basically" worked and at the time Apple's goal was to worked hard to try to make that a reality. Now...no or maybe a little. At that time the war with Microsoft was on (remember the "I'm a Mac" videos?") Snow Leopard contributed to Microsoft's decline because Snow Leopard (after a few versions updates) "just worked". Many users at the time exodus out of the mess of Windows and into Apple's pie along with the success of the iphone and iPad.

Logic is not illogical says Spock...Facts are facts.. :p Apple needs to have a solid OS if they are still in the computer business or Microsoft "might" come back in the OS segment...again.. :eek:

Snow Leopard concept is key for the future of OS X if it has one.
 
Too bad that they didn't even bother making iTunes 12 compatible with Snow Leopard...
If I had known getting the 6s would require me to get Yosemite, I would not buy the phone..
I can count off a half-dozen people I know right now that have the iPhone 6s/6s+ and don't even have iTunes installed on their computers. The phone works just fine. So it's hardly a "requirement" for most people. Syncing to computers is very much a minority practice for smartphone users these days.
 
ok.., you may need to read these as a whole response (and not in isolation) as one point qualifies another in parts. :)

;);)

Explain more for my understanding: you are saying that by UK and EU law, your hardware and software is "theoretically" guaranteed for 6 years which equates to what the UK and EU consider the lifetime of the purchased system....

I only mentioned hardware in my post and only mused about the software. However, the Law states that "if it [product] becomes defective, or does not conform with the contract of sale”, a claim can be made under UK Consumer Law, for repair. This is in place for 6 years from purchase.

Basic and simplified Apple version here:
http://www.apple.com/uk/legal/statutory-warranty/

Arguably a system not functioning due to a [forced] software update required and provided by the Manufacturer rendering a system inoperable, or that it "does not conform with the contract of sale”, is a possible case IMO. I have never tried it on that basis alone, as I have not had a case so bad that could be proven. My 4S came close...

But of course (correct me of course if I misunderstand)....it is guaranteed to be "fully functioning" as per the day you purchased it, as as far as what Apple "guarantees" or says at that time is a "fully functional" OS X and computer for the time it is released.

Yes, sort of...

It must "conform with the contract of sale”, so yes it must work as designed to work in it’s life time, not related to wear-and-tear, or user maintenance / treatment issues.

What happens when you upgrade to a new OS (they say is compatible) and they do not allow you to downgrade that OS when your system say’s it is not to the factory, or version it worked properly previously..?

Also Apple does not say that a product will breakdown after 5 years, only that is becomes unsupported. That is important to note.

Laws cannot guarantee that the OS X will fully function without bugs, let alone function together with third party software or hardware, even if your software and third party hardware worked on the old OSX if you upgraded of the life of the purchase. Who is smoking what in the courts of the U.K.?

Again, it must "conform with the contract of sale”, so yes it must work at designed to work in it’s life time, not related to wear-and-tear, or user maintenance / treatment issues. So if you have a bike and the tyres wear out and the brakes fail, then you cannot really prove it was a manufacturing fault. If you own a completely sealed iPhone with no user maintainable parts and it is clear it has not taken any exterior damage / internal damage, then this cannot be argued against if a phone dies after 18 months.

So nobody gets to smoke anything in Court...;) I have used this law twice with Apple and once with Argos (for a plasma TV 3 months out of a 1 year warranty) and never gone to court, they capitulate as it is not worth their while. I had an MBA replaced after about 4 1/2 years (hinge gate) and my iPhone 6 (bought September 2014) that died over the New year and was replaced under ‘Apple Care’ even though I did not purchase Apple care... They only have to repair under the Law, but as we know, they really do not bother, as it is not worth the time and money.

I was not referring to the actual system (hardware and software that is considered "the one purchase" as the law "suggests" as guaranteed. Of course the software that comes with the OS X like GarageBand and a few other software should work because it came with your purchase of the Mac and is considered "the purchase", but laws cannot guarantee that outside Apple third party software will work after the new OS X comes out for 6 years or the life of your purchase. Dream on....;)

I cannot qualify this for third party Software, but the system software provided with SL. For example, what happens when you need to update the firmware on your smart TV under warranty and the screen goes black and never works again. Do you just buy another and say, the TV was under warranty, but not the software…?

What I was talking about is that if you either upgrade or buy a new system with the new OS X, then try to use already owned software and hardware that is not Apple's (like musical interfaces let's say) that you bought prior to the new "guaranteed" purchase, and now does not work because of the once a year OS X change... Your screwed. No laws can garrentee that. Yes, you can downgrade to the older OS X if you upgraded, but if you had to buy a new computer with the next OS X, you cannot go back to a working OS X to use with your previous purchased software and third party hardware and have to purchase all over again (screwed).

Again, I am not talking about third party software. Also Apple has pretty much has done away with allowing you to easily downgrade the OS after ML. So you cannot always downgrade, unless you know what you are doing and pre-prepared a cloned [bootable] back-up. The average users will not do that. That is my point.

Snow Leopard concept is "liked" because finally an OS X "basically" worked and at the time Apple's goal was to worked hard to try to make that a reality. Now...no or maybe a little. At that time the war with Microsoft was on (remember the "I'm a Mac" videos?") Snow Leopard contributed to Microsoft's decline because Snow Leopard (after a few versions updates) "just worked". Many users at the time exodus out of the mess of Windows and into Apple's pie along with the success of the iphone and iPad.

Logic is not illogical says Spock...Facts are facts.. :p Apple needs to have a solid OS if they are still in the computer business or Microsoft "might" come back in the OS segment...again.. :eek:

Snow Leopard concept is key for the future of OS X if it has one.

I liked SL because of mail, and could still use Quark 6 and other programs I use infrequently enough to not need to justify upgrading.

Microsoft will never come back (at least for me), because Apple will always just do enough to stay ahead. That is their business model.
 
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