Apple Releases Mac OS X 10.6.1

[JFreak]

One would imagine that they soon will, once most, or all, of the driver issues have been solved.

You mean iPhone, right?

 

[celtikmind]

You could just get them off your Leopard disc.

OR . . .

Visit the manufacturer's website and just download the Leopard drivers. Might work.

Now my Brother HL-5370DW has complete, fully-featured drivers, and I can print in full HQ1200. Including duplexing. The works, really. I don't really need any Snow Leopard drivers now.

That was almost too easy.

This really made me laugh... One of MR's most obvious Mac fanatics telling the MR crowd that 'just download the drivers from the manufacturer's website' is too easy?!?!

Not 'Windowish' at all... oh no, I assure you. Seems you have some fractures in your RDF there...

Either way, have a friendly thanks for the laugh!

 

[*LTD*]

This really made me laugh... One of MR's most obvious Mac fanatics telling the MR crowd that 'just download the drivers from the manufacturer's website' is too easy?!?!

Not 'Windowish' at all... oh no, I assure you. Seems you have some fractures in your RDF there...

Either way, have a friendly thanks for the laugh!

If you don't have a drivers CD for you printer, or if you've lost it, or if the drivers that came with your printer are not up to date, you'll need to download them anyway. Quite often the manual for the product will advise the user to visit their website.

But I suppose inserting the CD that came with your product is alright (provided it has one), but pointing your browser to the manufacturer's website, selecting your product and OS, and then hitting "download" isn't.

 

[Winni]

At the current rate, Apple could immediately cease OS development for a decade and still be ahead of Microsoft in the operating systems "race."

That's true. Snow Leopard already is much more unstable and unreliable than even Windows 95 could ever have dreamed to be.

Just for the statistics, it seems to be impossible for applications like Pages 09 to save a document in Snow Leopard without crashing. Same goes for Photoshop CS3, but we've already heard how lousy supported that is. I'm pissed because both apps crashed on me four times during my lunch break today when I wanted to write a small letter with a JPEG in it.

While Microsoft has worked extremely hard on their QA, Apple seemingly just has let go and doesn't care for QA anymore at all. Their products no longer "just work", nowadays they begin to "just suck".

Windows 7 Beta was more pleasure to use than Apple's RELEASED and already patched Snow Leopard is. In my book, Snow Leopard is a huge fail, and I'm tempted to either revert to Leopard or - if it wasn't for the huge investments into OS X software that I've made - switch back to Windows entirely.

Over the last four years, Apple has done a great job at convincing me that Microsoft produces the better platform.

 

[diamond.g]

We'll need to wait until later in October to answer this one....
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The current .ISO files for the final Windows 7 kits on the Microsoft web sites have separate .ISO files for x86 and x64. Each easily fits on a single layer DVD.

Microsoft has shipped "combo" DVDs in the past that have included multiple DVD releases on one disc (the disc uses something like hard links so that only one copy of a file is on the DVD, even though each of the several kits on the DVD seems to have its own copy).

Whether it is shipped on one physical disc or two - it's logically two discs, there would be a boot-time menu to select the x86 or x64 kit.

While it seems clever that Apple is able to select x86 or x64 at boot time (whereas Windows requires one to install both systems and dual-boot between different partitions), the Windows approach is cleaner. There is no need in Windows to compromise anything for 32-bit compatibility - Windows x64 is true 64-bit top-to-bottom.

If it is anything like Windows 2008 it will have both on one disk. Especially since the key is good for either version (x64 or x86).

 

[*LTD*]

That's true. Snow Leopard already is much more unstable and unreliable than even Windows 95 could ever have dreamed to be.

Just for the statistics, it seems to be impossible for applications like Pages 09 to save a document in Snow Leopard without crashing. Same goes for Photoshop CS3, but we've already heard how lousy supported that is. I'm pissed because both apps crashed on me four times during my lunch break today when I wanted to write a small letter with a JPEG in it.

Pages 09 is all I use for word processing, and even the odd layout. I've been saving documents with it in SL since I installed SL on release day. Not a single crash. The Snow Leopard Box Set *comes with* iWork. iWork has been tested with SL.

But I guess it only "seems" to be impossible, when it actually isn't.

And CS3 runs fine on SL. Adobe wants you to buy CS4. This is to be expected.

While Microsoft has worked extremely hard on their QA, Apple seemingly just has let go and doesn't care for QA anymore at all. Their products no longer "just work", nowadays they begin to "just suck".

Windows 7 Beta was more pleasure to use than Apple's RELEASED and already patched Snow Leopard is. In my book, Snow Leopard is a huge fail, and I'm tempted to either revert to Leopard or - if it wasn't for the huge investments into OS X software that I've made - switch back to Windows entirely.

Over the last four years, Apple has done a great job at convincing me that Microsoft produces the better platform.

I've bolded my answer above.

That's interesting, because since 2006, Apple has never done better. Macs have never been more popular, and customers have never been more satisfied. Snow Leopard has had a successful release. For the vast majority, printers have been the odd issue, if at all. There is no widespread grumbling or hand-wringing. SL isn't the butt of media jokes. There aren't an ocean of horrible reviews. This isn't Vista. Not by a long shot. In fact, SL has not only been well-received, but praised almost universally. There will be a minority, particularly on obscure tech/fansites, that will complain, and always complain. They should file bug reports accordingly, like anyone else.

It's one thing to relate a negative personal experience to everyone, or a set of negative personal experiences. It's another thing entirely to attempt to use that as a reflection of actual reality, when the actual reality is the exact opposite.

 

[iBookG4user]

That's true. Snow Leopard already is much more unstable and unreliable than even Windows 95 could ever have dreamed to be.

Just for the statistics, it seems to be impossible for applications like Pages 09 to save a document in Snow Leopard without crashing. Same goes for Photoshop CS3, but we've already heard how lousy supported that is. I'm pissed because both apps crashed on me four times during my lunch break today when I wanted to write a small letter with a JPEG in it.

While Microsoft has worked extremely hard on their QA, Apple seemingly just has let go and doesn't care for QA anymore at all. Their products no longer "just work", nowadays they begin to "just suck".

Windows 7 Beta was more pleasure to use than Apple's RELEASED and already patched Snow Leopard is. In my book, Snow Leopard is a huge fail, and I'm tempted to either revert to Leopard or - if it wasn't for the huge investments into OS X software that I've made - switch back to Windows entirely.

Over the last four years, Apple has done a great job at convincing me that Microsoft produces the better platform.

Well, I used windows 7 for 2 days and in those 2 days I've had 3 blue screens of death and many program crashes (I've gotten a lot of "Application stopped working", very annoying!). While with Snow Leopard I've not had any bad issues, the only bugs that I've run into have been very small UI bugs. I'd say that small UI bugs are a heck of a lot better than complete system crashes. Especially when you have more said complete system crashes than the number of days you've used the OS!

 

[BongoBanger]

That's interesting, because since 2006, Apple has never done better. Macs have never been more popular, and customers have never been more satisfied. Snow Leopard has had a successful release. For the vast majority, printers have been the odd issue, if at all. There is no widespread grumbling or hand-wringing. SL isn't the butt of media jokes. There aren't an ocean of horrible reviews. This isn't Vista. Not by a long shot.

I agree with the point about it not being a disastrous launch like Vista's and that Apple have done well over the 2006-2009 period but it sometimes feels like they're at the crest of a wave and it's only down from here.

SL has been released to some pretty faint applause in general and there seems to be a lot more buzz and excitement around W7. This may, of course, be from the fact that SL is merely an evolution of a very well perceived OS whereas W7 is an evolution of a very poorly perceived one but the point still stands true.

If it's one thing that history's taught us it's that past performance is no indicator of future performance.

Well, I used windows 7 for 2 days and in those 2 days I've had 3 blue screens of death and many program crashes (I've gotten a lot of "Application stopped working", very annoying!). While with Snow Leopard I've not had any bad issues, the only bugs that I've run into have been very small UI bugs. I'd say that small UI bugs are a heck of a lot better than complete system crashes. Especially when you have more said complete system crashes than the number of days you've used the OS!

In fairness you're either using the Beta or an RC not the finished product. What were you running it on? It's unusual for the 6 series kernel Windows systems to completely kill your system these days.

 

[*LTD*]

Brother printer drivers have just been released, for anyone interested. They'll show up via software update.

I believe Canon drivers were made available last week, as well as HP.

I think Lexmark drivers are still due as well as Epson.

 

[AidenShaw]

Brother printer drivers have just been released, for anyone interested. They'll show up via software update.

I believe Canon drivers were made available last week, as well as HP.

I think Lexmark drivers are still due as well as Epson.

No problems here with HP and Epson drivers, found and automatically installed...

... on Windows 7 RTM.

 

[KnightWRX]

SL has been released to some pretty faint applause in general and there seems to be a lot more buzz and excitement around W7. This may, of course, be from the fact that SL is merely an evolution of a very well perceived OS whereas W7 is an evolution of a very poorly perceived one but the point still stands true.

If it's one thing that history's taught us it's that past performance is no indicator of future performance.

Another thing history has taught us is that pre-launch hype never actually materializes on the shipping discs.

Seriously, people were hyping the crap out of Vista too and look what happened there. In the end, Windows is still Windows, no matter how crappy they make their taskbar look.

 

[AidenShaw]

Another thing history has taught us is that pre-launch hype never actually materializes on the shipping discs.

Yes, as clearly evidenced when 10.6 shipped. Meh....

 

[MartiNZ]

Biggest annoyance in SL just came back to me yet again: broken sorting in stacks in list view.

How they do such a thing in an update I don't know, but boy is it a pain. Obviously not a priority though as it has been broken since at least the wwdc build.

 

[BongoBanger]

Another thing history has taught us is that pre-launch hype never actually materializes on the shipping discs.

Seriously, people were hyping the crap out of Vista too and look what happened there. In the end, Windows is still Windows, no matter how crappy they make their taskbar look.

Perhaps, however Vista is massively better than XP and I expect W7 to be a further improvement on Vista. The end code reviews are certainly far more favourable than Vista's.

SL just seems a bit half finished to me as if it was rushed out the door with the intention to complete it by a series of point releases.

 

[fultonteri]

Hi Everyone..

I did a fresh install of 10.6 and Aperture 2.1.4.
and the system is very slow. Sometimes it needs 5 to 10 Minutes to did setings like Saturaion +0,1,

What can I do?
Thanks.

 

[chrono1081]

Any help with Internet Sharing? My home network has been a token ring since the SL update-- whatever machine holds the token must reboot.

I've never had a problem with internet sharing in snow leopard. Works just fine for me. I'm not sure why everyone was having problems.

 

[EyeintheSky]

PowerPC and 10.4.11 Finder Funk with Update

Curious thing happened to me today with this "Security" update.

My work Mac is older as I am cheap and believe in the stability of the PowerPC and 10.4.11. When software update popped up today with itunes, quicktime and Security Update 2009-005, I told it to get going. However, when I returned to the screen I saw it had aborted halfway or so through the security update. It gave a message that it was in the trash, so I emptied, restarted as prompted and got ready to give it another go. Except that it won't load it, not through software update (doesn't even list it now) or manual download from the server. No clue why.

Meanwhile, my beautifully stable 10.4.11 has gone AWOL. Now it wont run half of the Finder features including hot corners, menu bar, restart, shutdown, and a list of others. And all the folder label colors are grey. I'm a mac man for life, but no tech wiz, and am stumped. Never seen anything like this before. TechTool just scratched it's head at it.

Any thoughts?