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I'm curious how force touch works for control ,shift and option "Drags" often needed to data entry and fill-in functions where the tactile click seems essential.
 
Not everyone that buys these needs, or wants to pay for discrete graphics. For some, they simply want a 13" MBP with a bigger screen.[/QUOTE]

You got it... that's me
 
Putting a HDD into an iMac? They haven't done this in years, what a regression.

What? Every non 5K iMac in the store now ( the not-so-updated configurations) all have HDDs .

Every historical Intel iMac configuration listed here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_(Intel-based)

has a HDD except for the the initial iMac 5K model

In terms, general iMac configuration trends there is no regression here at all.
The only thing that was quirky as that the 5K model didn't come with this cheaper model in the first place. I suspect Apple wanted a smaller volume and then a bigger ramp later. ( no repeat of the drama when first went to fused-display in iMac. Test new technology production before going max volume. ).
 
This is a very disappointing news.

I guess I'll have to wait another 6 months to a year to purchase a newly designed MBP.

Seems like Apple can't do anything right for anyone on here. People need to realize the industry is slowing down.
 
Bummer

No 4K display for the rMBP? I was playing with a client's 15" XPS 4K and it was beautiful. Bummer...
 
They should at least offer a "Fusion Lite" drive, that is, 1TB + 32GB SSD. This would make the entry level riMac suitable for geek granmas and granpas who only wants a better browsing experience.

The smaller the SSD 'cache' the less effective it is going to be. Drop below 10% of what you are trying to cache and not doing a whole lot. Might get faster boot times ( if heavily skew cache to what happens in first 2-4 mins of operation. ), but not going to get a good breadth of the data.

[ Fusion is technically not a pure 'cache' but tiered storage has the same basic underlying factors. If can't move "enough" data to the faster tier then most interactions will be with the slower tier and the performance increases will be marginal. ]

Frankly, a better browsing experience would come if Apple would fix what they they have partially jacked up in discoveryd ( the DNS and network infrastructure daemons ) in software in OS 10.10.

Likewise just not take a huge Apple mark up on the the normal 128GB drives they use for Fusion. 32GB is not being selected because it is more effective. It is being targeted because it is cheaper. 128GB drive don't cost $200. Not even close. If more like a $100 mark up it wouldn't be so much of an issue.
 
The hate is AMAZING.

I see that Retina iMac got cheaper for the same that it offered before. But people still focus on the base model that has been added to lineup that has a bit less than higher spec model, that got smaller price.

Second is the MBP. People moan about the fact that Apple not upgraded the CPU and Memory, because Intel did not brought new CPUs, but no, its ****ing Apple's fault. They brought faster and more efficient GPU from AMD. "OH NO, I LIKE NVIDIA MORE, WHAT HAVE YOU APPLE DONE?!!!!!".

They have given more for the same amount of money.

How the ***** can be that a bad thing?

Don't expect rational people on MacRumors... Most are drama queens.
 
Does anyone know if the updated keyboard is included in this? With the butterfly switches and 1 LED to a key backlighting? I assume it is, I just can't see it said anywhere?
 
Does anyone know of this new quad core i7 2.5 will be much more powerful than a MacBook Pro retina 15 "late 2013 2.6 Intel i7 for someone who does a lot of editing ?

It's essentially the same processor so the late 2013 one with the 2.6Ghz CPU is slightly more powerful.

With a much faster GPU and SSD, this new model is going to be much faster in editing applications, especially as Adobe and Apple ramp up GPU support in editing applications.

CPU isn't everything. Despite the complaints of this GPU being AMD, it is going to be much faster than the 750M. And there's no question that the wider SSD bandwidth makes a big difference as well.
 
No 4K display for the rMBP? I was playing with a client's 15" XPS 4K and it was beautiful. Bummer...

How would 4K even scale on a 15 inch in your opinion? How would it translate in usefull resolution workspace if you know what i mean?
 
Why the obsession with skylake when you have dGPU???

Efficiency - new architecture that gives more computation power per watt.

Thunderbolt 3.0

DDR4 RAM

Integrated wireless charging technology

Increased instruction set

& much more.

Basically, Skylake =\= iGPU upgradezzzz!!!!1!1!!111!!! Having dGPU doesn't negate the multiple upgrades that will come with Skylake - in fact, depending on Apple's selection in processor design, dGPUs will be further enhanced by Skylake's architecture. Do some reading.
 
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So what are the specs of the M290 in the new Retina iMac? How does it compare to the M290X? Can't find any details or specs of the M290 online. AMD's site only details the M290X, no trace of any "M290". I thought the M290X was considered bare minimum when it comes to driving the 5K Retina display.
 
This upgrade to the Retina MacBook Pro is quite disappointing after such a long wait.

I bought an October 2013 model. The Haswell with PCIe storage and 750m. They bumped the CPU GHz up in the 2014 iteration and now they've replaced the GPU and given it Force Touch on the 2015 one but kept the CPU the same even though Broadwell is on the horizon.

The thing that makes it most disappointing is that Apple doesn't update these laptops when the new tech comes out. We have to wait until probably next year before they update them again if they keep to their 1 update a year cadance (2012, 2013, 2014 now 2015).

We missed out on the 850m entirely last year. Now we're gonna miss Broadwell and go straight to skylake likely in 2016.

I'm disappointed we didn't get a 4K panel like competitors are shipping in their high end 15" notebooks that still cost less than Apples. I'm disappointed we didn't get the same colour options the MacBook has as it's obvious they are coming with the next physical redesign.

Just meh. I was going to buy one but I'm really on the fence after this.

What are you complaining about? Obviously Broadwell is not on the Horizon or they would have waited. If you have inside on info on when Intel will release the Quad Core broadwell chips, please share.

The Razor Blade 14 has 3200x1800 display(Not 4K) and is $2200 starting with 128GB of SATA SSD. The only thing the Razor has on the 15" rMBP is the GPU.

The Dell XPS is $2150 minimum to get the 4K display, and that's with an outdated dGPU, slower processor, and 1TB HDD(w/ 32GB SATA SSD).
 
How would 4K even scale on a 15 inch in your opinion? How would it translate in usefull resolution workspace if you know what i mean?

Well, 3840x2400 would be scaled 1920x1200. So, all the people that scale to 1920x1200 on the 15" would actually get to benefit. As of now, that scaling is actually working the computer harder than the display is capable of supporting.

The downside is that it would require more power, so shorter battery life. I don't think the tradeoff is worth it unless Apple used IGZO backlighting like the iPads.

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And with Nvidia GPU you could game on 5K display?

EVERY benchmark that is in the internet shows that with getting resolution up, the better GPUs for handling it are the ones from AMD. Performance gap between Nvidia and AMD is big when we compare 1600x900. With every step up: 1080p, 1440p, and lastly: 4K, it erodes. In some games, at 4K AMD GPUs are simply faster, because they have more horsepower underneath their architecture tu push pixels through display. And there are coming 3XX series which will be even more difficult for Nvidia to keep at that resolution.

P.S. Every computer I have had in my life have had Nvidia GPU, and I have right now 6th computer.

The 750M and this new AMD GPU are both 28nm. The 650M was 28nm too. Amazing, so AMD GPUs are still using the same process as the original rMBP in 2012... I doubt there is a huge performance difference, unfortunately.

As they are continuing to use the same Haswell processors (they even deleted the 5200 and kept the Intel Iris Pro in the marketing materials to confuse people??), this is a very minor update. The only thing that impresses me is the new trackpad.
 
The retina iMac prices dropped $200. That was enough for me to push the button on this guy :)
 

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I love my iPhone, I could never see myself ditching that in the near future.
The rMBP in my sig was my first foray into the world of Mac and OS X and I've been very impressed, but not so much as to not consider going back to building high end rigs as uni is over for me so I no longer need the same portability. Chances are you're right, I won't change, but it's not out of the question, Razers Blade laptops have me very very interested, just a shame I'd have to import them from the U.S.

I think the point the other poster was making in response to your original angry rant was your current MBP is only a year old. Why are you getting so upset just because this update isn't for you? I never understand why people get angry? Makes no sense. It's not like you're losing money or got ripped off. Do you honestly expect outrageous and super amazing changes in a year? And as the other poster asked, do you really need a new MBP after just a year or were you just looking to join the Apple Rant Party here?
 
What? Every non 5K iMac in the store now ( the not-so-updated configurations) all have HDDs .

Every historical Intel iMac configuration listed here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_(Intel-based)

has a HDD except for the the initial iMac 5K model

In terms, general iMac configuration trends there is no regression here at all.
The only thing that was quirky as that the 5K model didn't come with this cheaper model in the first place. I suspect Apple wanted a smaller volume and then a bigger ramp later. ( no repeat of the drama when first went to fused-display in iMac. Test new technology production before going max volume. ).
I was being sarcastic. It was the poster I replied to that said releasing an iMac with a HDD was a bizarre move.
 
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