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$2000 for a desktop computer and:

1)it still comes with 8GB ram (2 4GB chips!!!)
2)a non-SSD drive. Oh, but for an extra $500 you can get a 512GB flash drive (not sure if it's SSD or PCIe or other) when you can pick them up anywhere for $180 at RETAIL prices.
3)Oh, but wait...there's more!....they don't even tell you what i5 chip you are getting.
4)And there's no i7 option for people that, you know, spend $2000 and actually want some killer performance to somewhat future proof their investment.

Well, that sounds like a good complaint until you realize that the 5k display ALONE costs $2500 when you buy from dell. So, yeah, this is still an EXCELLENT value.
 
Some folks actually like critical reviews rather than just believing everything is so "magical."

except your critical review:


1)it still comes with 8GB ram (2 4GB chips!!!)
2)a non-SSD drive. Oh, but for an extra $500 you can get a 512GB flash drive (not sure if it's SSD or PCIe or other) when you can pick them up anywhere for $180 at RETAIL prices.
3)Oh, but wait...there's more!....they don't even tell you what i5 chip you are getting.
4)And there's no i7 option for people that, you know, spend $2000 and actually want some killer performance to somewhat future proof their investment.


..isn't really too critical.. 3 & 4 are inaccurate and 1 & 2-- you're just pointing out the base config.. upgrade them if it's such a problem.
 
Hoorah, a cheaper Retina iMac ... with worse specs. Just like the cheaper Mac Mini, and the cheaper non-Retina iMac. That's definitely in line with Apple's pursuit for perfection.

"In creating these great products we focus on enriching people’s lives—a higher cause for the product. These are the macro things that drive the company."

"You know, we want to really enrich people’s lives at the end of the day, not just make money. Making money might be a byproduct, but it’s not our North Star."

"A great product doesn’t mean an expensive product. It means a fair price… We think about the product and making a great product that we want to use. When we can do that and achieve another price point, that’s great."

Yeah, these whole lower-cost, worse-spec alternatives are frankly getting ridiculous. Consumers who don't know better are going to buy these, on the assumption -- no, the lie -- that 'Apple makes the decisions for the consumer', that 'we don't ship junk', that 'every product is carefully crafted for the best user experience'.

Let's see how great that experience is with stuttering animations on an underpowered graphics card, or expensive machines that still have standard HDDs rather than Fusion/SSDs.

It's such a bitter irony that the more money companies make, and the more money they have to potentially expand their lineup and make the bottom benchmark absolutely incredible (pure SSD for instance), they seem to do moves like this which smack to me as only thinking of profits. The consumer will not get experiences or a computer performance synonymous with a £1000 machine. Fact.

The greedy get greedier.

Thank you. There is still hope in these forums. :apple:
 
Well that sucks. I was hoping to get a new MBP but now I'm on the fence. Either way, I was planning on replacing it once Skylake comes out but now I'm not sure.
 
Well, that sounds like a good complaint until you realize that the 5k display ALONE costs $2500 when you buy from dell. So, yeah, this is still an EXCELLENT value.

seriosly? for just 300 usd you got fusion drive (should be standard now), better gpu (still not sufficient for this resolution)... what is 5k display alone good for with underspecsed computer that cant be upgraded?
 
Yeh people it's Haswell, are you kidding me, almost 2 years with the same CPU??!!! I realise Intel's had problems but this is a joke.

Moore's Law has smashed into the brick wall called physics.

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Yep. I'm not surprised that AMD chips are in use given their appearances in the Mac Pro and 27" Retina iMac.

Another Haswell update seems odd to me. I previously expected Apple to wait for Broadwell-H and update the MacBook Pros then.

Well, at least it's more possible now that Intel has cancelled Broadwell-H entirely because it would have a short shelf life, since Skylake-H will be on time.
 
seriosly? for just 300 usd you got fusion drive (should be standard now), better gpu (still not sufficient for this resolution)... what is 5k display alone good for with underspecsed computer that cant be upgraded?

Maybe some people don't need faster cpu/gpu and just want the better resolution?? Hey, that includes me. I use it primarily for web browsing/email and trading stocks. I don't play games.
 
So I waited and now I don't have the option to change from an i5 to i7 and go with a the better graphics card in the lower end 27" model? WTF? Really Apple. Come on, now I have to spend an extra $400 to get those options. Well I knew this day would come. Hey, if anyone knows where I could by the older configured 27" iMac with an i7 and the 4gig graphics card option hit me up. Nice upgrade but it's a joke they are taking options away.
 
Maybe some people don't need faster cpu/gpu and just want the better resolution?? Hey, that includes me. I use it primarily for web browsing/email and trading stocks. I don't play games.

even web browsing you enjoy more with fusion drive, at least...
 
The hate is AMAZING.

I see that Retina iMac got cheaper for the same that it offered before. But people still focus on the base model that has been added to lineup that has a bit less than higher spec model, that got smaller price.

Second is the MBP. People moan about the fact that Apple not upgraded the CPU and Memory, because Intel did not brought new CPUs, but no, its ****ing Apple's fault. They brought faster and more efficient GPU from AMD. "OH NO, I LIKE NVIDIA MORE, WHAT HAVE YOU APPLE DONE?!!!!!".

They have given more for the same amount of money.

How the ***** can be that a bad thing?
 
Yeh people it's Haswell, are you kidding me, almost 2 years with the same CPU??!!! I realise Intel's had problems but this is a joke.
What is the joke here? That Apple hasn't switched to AMD in the light of the Intel stalling? If you consider a certain behaviour as ridiculous, it would be nice to know what the relevant party would have needed to do to not appear ridiculous.
 
I was planning on waiting for Skylake to upgrade, and these changes only confirm it. Though it is probably still too much hope that Apple will allow for a dGPU with more than 2 GB of vRAM in the next go-round.
 
except your critical review:


1)it still comes with 8GB ram (2 4GB chips!!!)
2)a non-SSD drive. Oh, but for an extra $500 you can get a 512GB flash drive (not sure if it's SSD or PCIe or other) when you can pick them up anywhere for $180 at RETAIL prices.
3)Oh, but wait...there's more!....they don't even tell you what i5 chip you are getting.
4)And there's no i7 option for people that, you know, spend $2000 and actually want some killer performance to somewhat future proof their investment.


..isn't really too critical.. 3 & 4 are inaccurate and 1 & 2-- you're just pointing out the base config.. upgrade them if it's such a problem.

The point is they took away that option to upgrade to the i7 and a better graphics card. Which IMO is a big issue. You have to spend more to get those options.
 
The hate is AMAZING.

I see that Retina iMac got cheaper for the same that it offered before. But people still focus on the base model that has been added to lineup that has a bit less than higher spec model, that got smaller price.

Second is the MBP. People moan about the fact that Apple not upgraded the CPU and Memory, because Intel did not brought new CPUs, but no, its ****ing Apple's fault. They brought faster and more efficient GPU from AMD. "OH NO, I LIKE NVIDIA MORE, WHAT HAVE YOU APPLE DONE?!!!!!".

They have given more for the same amount of money.

How the ***** can be that a bad thing?

Did they? imac 27 - non retina - crippled and cant be upgraded.. cheaper retina one is a joke...
 
The point is they took away that option to upgrade to the i7 and a better graphics card. Which IMO is a big issue. You have to spend more to get those options.

No they DIDNT.

Its still in higher priced model, which was the factual "old" Retina iMac and it got CHEAPER.

If you need to spend more money on CPU and GPU why not buy the higher end model in the first place?
 
Yea the 14nm tech node is a challenging one

Intel has very limited yield currently. :apple:

I'm well up to date with the latest in semiconductor lithography, it's just a little galling just how delayed these chips are, and I no doubt believe part of it is due to a lack of competition. But if you can fire out dual core chips, then why not their quad core brethren? Surely the yields can't be that bad?

Now to wait and see if the dGPU is worth the upgrade, Apple is claiming a 70% boost. At least they didn't go with a DDR3 variant. But so little info I can dig up on this chip that I'll need to wait for Anandtech or someone to bench it and work out what exactly it is before I decide to take the plunge.

Also million dollar question now that Broadwell-H is clearly dead... When will we be seeing Skylake? 2015 or 2016?
 
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