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hardly, got one and fussion drive works well.. buying old spinner now, for little less than high end 5k imac is simply braindead
My point was that a Fusion spins as many rpm's as a traditional hard drive.
 
sorry apple, but in 2015 every desktop should have at least fusion drive by default (ok, maybe entry mac mini with spinner is excusable).. and spinner in 2000 usd machine? that is PURE GREED.. whera are all those speeches about best user experience? with outdated spinners? really?
 
What a **** update for the MBP. I have the 2014 model MBP Retina - i7 - 512GB SSD / 16GB RAM / Nvidia Geforce 750M GPU. I prefer nVidia and hate AMD - always have.
 
Only positive to come out of this for the riMac is price. Not for now, but the next update. Surely they can't put the price back up after reducing it. So the next update (a proper one hopefully) will be available for less :)
 
Hoorah, a cheaper Retina iMac ... with worse specs. Just like the cheaper Mac Mini, and the cheaper non-Retina iMac. That's definitely in line with Apple's pursuit for perfection.

"In creating these great products we focus on enriching people’s lives—a higher cause for the product. These are the macro things that drive the company."

"You know, we want to really enrich people’s lives at the end of the day, not just make money. Making money might be a byproduct, but it’s not our North Star."

"A great product doesn’t mean an expensive product. It means a fair price… We think about the product and making a great product that we want to use. When we can do that and achieve another price point, that’s great."

Yeah, these whole lower-cost, worse-spec alternatives are frankly getting ridiculous. Consumers who don't know better are going to buy these, on the assumption -- no, the lie -- that 'Apple makes the decisions for the consumer', that 'we don't ship junk', that 'every product is carefully crafted for the best user experience'.

Let's see how great that experience is with stuttering animations on an underpowered graphics card, or expensive machines that still have standard HDDs rather than Fusion/SSDs.

It's such a bitter irony that the more money companies make, and the more money they have to potentially expand their lineup and make the bottom benchmark absolutely incredible (pure SSD for instance), they seem to do moves like this which smack to me as only thinking of profits. The consumer will not get experiences or a computer performance synonymous with a £1000 machine. Fact.

The greedy get greedier.
 
My point was that a Fusion spins as many rpm's as a traditional hard drive.

what? fusion sometimes spins, but for majority of operations (apps launch, fast smal readons writeons) it uses SSD part - many times faster than conventional spinner... had severa macbooks with ssd, have mac mini with fusion, cant see difference in real life...
 
One has soldered RAM and comes in one size only (medium = 16GB). The other has user upgradeable RAM and comes in three sizes (small = 8GB, medium = 16GB, large = 32GB). So you are complaining about having more choices with the iMac.

You apparently made the terrible internet faux pas of actually clicking on the links to get further detail, rather than just making an uniformed knee jerk response. Shame on you! ;)
 
Apple said:
MacBook Pro with Retina display discrete graphics deliver up to 80 percent faster performance using new AMD Radeon R9 M370X graphics for editing video in Final Cut Pro® X, rendering 3D images in pro graphics apps or playing high-resolution games.
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/201...ad-New-1-999-iMac-with-Retina-5K-Display.html

80% faster? That means it is 896 or 1024 GCN chip. HOLY COW!


If its 80% faster, that means its around 4500 pts in 3DMark11 Performance test.

Quite nice bump.

Edit: The updated 15-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display also features up to 2.5 times faster flash storage than the previous generation, with throughput up to 2GBps.

Again: not bad at all.
 
There is not much info on the M370X out there... The only leak I could find claims that it is a new AMD chip (Litho XT). Nobody knows what that thing is though. Apple say that the performance is around 50% increase over 750M in games. Based on that, it should be somehow slower than 850M/950M. But let's wait for the actual benchmarks to surface.
 
Hoorah, a cheaper Retina iMac ... with worse specs. Just like the cheaper Mac Mini, and the cheaper non-Retina iMac. That's definitely in line with Apple's pursuit for perfection.

"In creating these great products we focus on enriching people’s lives—a higher cause for the product. These are the macro things that drive the company."

"You know, we want to really enrich people’s lives at the end of the day, not just make money. Making money might be a byproduct, but it’s not our North Star."

"A great product doesn’t mean an expensive product. It means a fair price… We think about the product and making a great product that we want to use. When we can do that and achieve another price point, that’s great."

Yeah, these whole lower-cost, worse-spec alternatives are frankly getting ridiculous. Consumers who don't know better are going to buy these, on the assumption -- no, the lie -- that 'Apple makes the decisions for the consumer', that 'we don't ship junk', that 'every product is carefully crafted for the best user experience'.

Let's see how great that experience is with stuttering animations on an underpowered graphics card, or expensive machines that still have standard HDDs rather than Fusion/SSDs.

It's such a bitter irony that the more money companies make, and the more money they have to potentially expand their lineup and make the bottom benchmark absolutely incredible (pure SSD for instance), they seem to do moves like this which smack to me as only thinking of profits. The consumer will not get experiences or a computer performance synonymous with a £1000 machine. Fact.

The greedy get greedier.

amen :(
 
Skylake will not be available to purchase until current stock of Broadwell is depleted. No one knows how big that stock of Broadwell is except Intel. Intel will not allow release of a chip to retail when they have a backlog of current gen chips. Why should they lose money when they can control the product.

October, 1st Q 2016 ... who knows. No one until current stock runs low.
 
Just wondering, could the $2000 retina model have a mobile CPU like the entry-level 21.5" model ?

anything is possible, really. Parts is parts in the world of computers...the people who actually build these architectures know what cpus work with what motherboards and all sorts of other hardware. In the Wintel world (which Mac really just copies but has its a different OS), there are billions of combinations.

Apple likes to sell (and market) their stuff as premium products with premium prices. I don't mind the premium prices but these specs just don't impress me at all. These Retina iMacs are supposed to be aimed at Prosumers (or consumer bozos that really believe they can see 5k) yet the specs are sub-par. I'm sure people will tell me/us to buy a $3000+ 1.5 year old Mac Pro that comes with no keyboard, no mouse, and no display...so no...that doesn't really help us Prosumers either.
 
80% faster? That means it is 896 or 1024 GCN chip. HOLY COW!

This probably refers to OpenGL. Given the gimped Keppler OpenCL performance and generally better OpenCL AMD drivers, I wouldn't bee to optimistic to translate this to the raw performance.
 
These updates are very strange. Spinning drives, weird GPU choices, another price increases in Europe?
 
This probably refers to OpenGL. Given the gimped Keppler OpenCL performance and generally better OpenCL AMD drivers, I wouldn't bee to optimistic to translate this to the raw performance.

In games Apple claims 70% increase in performance over the previous gen.

So IMO there has to be 896 or 1024 GCN cores in that chip.
 
$2000 for a desktop computer and:

1)it still comes with 8GB ram (2 4GB chips!!!)
2)a non-SSD drive. Oh, but for an extra $500 you can get a 512GB flash drive (not sure if it's SSD or PCIe or other) when you can pick them up anywhere for $180 at RETAIL prices.
3)Oh, but wait...there's more!....they don't even tell you what i5 chip you are getting.
4)And there's no i7 option for people that, you know, spend $2000 and actually want some killer performance to somewhat future proof their investment.

So don't buy one.
 
Why does it say "boosted memory" for the upgraded 15" when its the same as before?
 
I think it's interesting the the new 15" rMBP has an AMD chip. Looks to me like anybody expecting a Nvidia chip in the expected Retina iMac update later this year is going to be out of luck.

For the mean time Apple is in bed with AMD.
Yep. I'm not surprised that AMD chips are in use given their appearances in the Mac Pro and 27" Retina iMac.

Another Haswell update seems odd to me. I previously expected Apple to wait for Broadwell-H and update the MacBook Pros then.
 
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