LOL!!!! around jan/feb/march
will be quad core then
really!? i think that the next update will be in october maybe before the students starting they college or something like that
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Apple Releases New 15" MacBook Pro, Updates 17" MacBook Pro
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really!? i think that the next update will be in october maybe before the students starting they college or something like that
as far as i'm concerned, the 17" looked quite big to carry around and use daily in class. and this's obviously from a student's point of view.
I don't think I agree with that because all of the nikon's new cameras even up to their top of the line carry SD cards.
I totally get that, and I'd definitely get a 15" or a 13" if I was a student. I get the whole portability thing. But I was talking about people who work professionally with video and audio since they're the ones who are complaining about the omission of ExpressCard on the 15". These are people who usually lug around lots of stuff anyway... why don't they just get the 17" (which retains the ExpressCard port) and enjoy all the extra screen real estate? They can carry a PA system, amps, instruments, racks, but not a few extra ounces worth of laptop?
Portability. I currently use a 15" MBP and just pulled the trigger on a brand new 13" MBP. When I need more screen real estate, I can use the external monitor I have at home or at work. I don't like working for extended periods with laptop monitors regardless of size, as its terrible for the neck and shoulders.
CNET is reporting the low end MacBook Pros (13 and 15) have integrated graphics. Deal breaker for a "Pro" machine if you can't supply a dedicated graphics card.
Some "Pro" models now have features that used to be hallmarks of the basic MacBook notebooks: integrated graphics and no ExpressCard slot. I think of these as consumer-oriented choices, and I'll throw in the standard glossy screen finish on the 13-inch and 15-inch models. A glossy screen looks better for movies, but it's unacceptable for some professional users.
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Some "Pro" models now have features that used to be hallmarks of the basic MacBook notebooks: integrated graphics and no ExpressCard slot. I think of these as consumer-oriented choices, and I'll throw in the standard glossy screen finish on the 13-inch and 15-inch models. A glossy screen looks better for movies, but it's unacceptable for some professional users.
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Integrated graphics have come a long way. The current batch have better performance than the dedicated Radeon 1600 in my current 15" MBP. Really, you only need more for gaming. And that's what I have an xbox for.
Integrated graphics have come a long way. The current batch have better performance than the dedicated Radeon 1600 in my current 15" MBP. Really, you only need more for gaming. And that's what I have an xbox for.
If I am not mistaken...certain applications part of Final Cut Studio require a dedicated graphics card. i.e. Color
Gaming does benefit, but as a video editor, I can't imagine loading an HD project on FCP with a shared graphics card.
The digital version that you get with some versions doesn't carry across multiple machines, etc. I'd be happier if the Blu-Ray versions just came with a DVD, or if Apple would just ship Blu-Ray support.
I haven't looked at the ones that just came out, but from what I could tell from looking at them in the store, the 17" models are MUCH blurrier than the 15" models. Have they improved this?
You're probably right. If I was a pro videographer, I would want a dedicated graphics card. At that point, I may even want a tower though.
I went out last monday to buy the 2.66 MBP from BB knowing perfectly well that something new might come out during the WWDC. I'm within the 14day return period and I went by BB after work. The employee said yeah, we don't have it in stock yet, I can ask the manager to write on your receipt to let you exchange the new 2.8 MBP when it gets here even if it's after the 14day period. Just use it till it gets here and don't worry about returning it for refund now. And for FREE, no 10% restock fee like apple retail store!
I'm debating on whether to keep the old one or get the new one for $100 cheaper. I'm a graphic designer, and have never ever used the expresscard on my Powermac G4 all these years, except to stick some paper/a pen in it for fun when I'm bored. To me 2.8 > 2.66, 500gb 5,400 rpm > 320gb 5,400 rpm, newer screen > older screen, 7hr > 5hr, SD slot mean returning my belkin media reader and getting a usb reader my my sony AVCHD mircostick.
After reading this thread, seems like people think the 2.66 is worth keeping than getting the 2.8. What to do?
If you don't interest for the express card slot get the new one. In the same amount of money You get exactly the same as the previous only difference faster CPU, better baterry and Display.
The discussion in comparison between the old 2.66 vs new 2.8 in the same price is more academic,to check what was the value of money for each one. But practically you get better machine with the same money so why to stick with the old one?
So, instead of upping the quality and delivering the expected premium features (expresscard et. al.) we would pay for and the reason many professional once came to Apple, they axe the quality and features to meet the price demand.
That makes them what? Pretty much like any other laptop maker out there. Way to differentiate on an already overpopulated market.
Besides, I never heard anyone complain about the MacBook/Pro lacking an SD card reader until today. I always assumed those people just used the express card slot and slid a reader flush in there. Now Apple essentially glued it there... way to go, Apple.
Never thought I would be the one saying this, but Steve needs to get back on the horse one last time. They're watering down his whiskey...
Actually I don't get why it's that big a deal either. I could see if across all of the pro laptops they removed the express card slot. However, Apple left it on the 17" model and my guess is that from there surveys of users that use the express slot, the majority happen to be 17" users.
Between the 17" & 15" we are talking 1" wider, less than 1" deep and 1lb heavier. The height is the same. If you are lugging this onsite with extra hard drives, cables, etc why does any of this make a difference?
Remember, they cut the price of the 17" too. My guess this was also to appease the pro's in that the only choice now is a 17". There is only a $200 spread between the 2.8ghz 15" and the 17" with same specs in terms of hardrive space & drive speed, video card, etc. There is only a bigger spread if you want a 15" laptop with a slower processor or a video card that has less cache. Neither of which I see a pro user wanting to purchase.
For $200 more you get a 2" bigger screen, better resolution, one extra usb port, express card slot, plus 1 hr longer battery life. If you still need anti-glare you can get it for another $50.00. Seems like a home run.
As an aside, I am trying to better understand the need for anti-glare. What type of users benefit from the use of an anti-glare screen, besises what was mentioned above for on-stage? Would a photographer benefit or would using the antiglare affect the ability to edit and adjust pics properly?
i had brought my macbook alu 13 inch 6 months ago when it was released. Now when the macbooks alu 13 is called macbook pro, shell i also call my macbook for pro now?
I think a lot of it has to do with choice, which Apple is taking away from customers.
Some people need a matte screen, some people need an expresscard slot, some people need a dedicated GPU, up until recently all MBPs had these options, and at varying sizes, specs and price points, which I see as a good thing.
If you now want these options you only have the 17", which may not suit a persons needs as far as size or price goes.
I really can't see how dropping solid features that have been used by many people can be seen as a good thing, the same argument was used when firewire was dropped in the Alu MB, an argument that failed miserably.
If anything rather than reducing choices Apple should be increasing them, I'm sure there are many who'd love the form factor of the 13" MBP with a dedicated GPU and an expresscard.
A serial port is an archaic port from a time long gone, Expresscard is a current standard that is seeing wider adoption as being the sucessor to PCMCIA, hardly a legitimate comparison.
Once again, almost every port you just mentioned is a past standard. VGA? S-Video? RCA? All analog video ports. None will support the HDCP. HDMI? YES, please! There's a feature more people could have a use for. Including a certain student trying to watch HD content on his 23" display here.
So are video port adapters, but I don't see you speaking out against Apple inventing a new mini-version of DisplayPort as the video output on their machines. A port that's worthless to anyone who doesn't own an Apple monitor. Have they even released that DVI adapter yet everyone was waiting for when the last laptop update happened? What was the price supposed to be, $100? I can buy five decent HDMI cables for that much money.
i had brought my macbook alu 13 inch 6 months ago when it was released. Now when the macbooks alu 13 is called macbook pro, shell i also call my macbook for pro now?
Well I consider that if that is a previous model of macbook pro you can call it macbook pre pro or macbook pro pro or macbook pro2.
Anyway will sound more fashionable and sophisticated and nobody will understand that is a previous model of macbook
i am very pissed off, cause i brought my first macbook when these alu mb came out. Now suddenly i feel my mb is outdated I want a replacement thinking to call apple tomorrow.
I want a replacement thinking to call apple tomorrow.2 things...the point of a price cut should be to save me money. Not simply force me to buy the 17" MBP.
Its just about choices. And I don't want to be forced into the options Apple has presented me.
That glossy screen is a gimmick to enrich depth in color. Basically it just looks better, but they are generally over-saturated and not color accurate. Lots of PRO users, graphic/print design, photography, those types of professions use matte screens for work because they are calibrated to be more accurate.
Try to find a glossy MBP pre-unibody and compare that to the unibody screen. The difference in the amount of glare between the two is quite distracting.
I laughed when I saw Apple using a 20" ACD during the keynote. You think they'd want to showcase their new bling, but considering the glass acts like a mirror, that just wouldn't cut it.
Like you said some people this and some people that. However most people don't.
Most of this again has to do with market potential. If by removing the express card on a model is infrequently used by a majority of users and they can reduce costs and inprove other worthwhile specs while doing it, economy of scales win. I have to think this is the real reason since I can't see 1" making a difference between having the express card slot on the 17" and not the 15". I then think that the SD card slot was added as a cheap way to fill in the unused space and give people a feature that has been requested. If you go back and look at old posts, there were many people upset that the macbooks did not have an SD card slot in the past.
By increasing choices you increase price. Again if most don't have a use for it then why put it in all models. Apple is trying to gain more market share to have a feature set that valuable to largest set of potential users. In turn they left the express card in the premium model that is most used by professionals.
Yes you have less expandability without the express card slot but if you were in the majority and never using it anyway, you were paying for a feature that you never used. You are affecting the small percentage of the base that MAC attracts. They aren't leaving anyone out in the cold since they still offer this option on the 17" (Which is a Total PRO feature set).
Has anyone that ordered one of the new MBP's that had any kind of upgrade or options added to the computer had it ship yet? I am wondering how long it is taking between order and shipment right now. The site says 2-4 days, but sometimes Apple is quicker than the estimate.
@xhwhatever
If you don't want to be forced at the options apple has presented you:
a. Make your own computer co..
b. Buy another brand.
But for the love of god grow up, life doesn't revolve around your buying a damn computer. I too hate glare, and you are right in saying some things, butylu know what I got a white iMac used and I am saving up for a 17 mbp or air, those are the options, and that's also to do with what most people want unfortunately, live with it.
If you don't want to be forced at the options apple has presented you:
a. Make your own computer co..
b. Buy another brand.
But for the love of god grow up, life doesn't revolve around your buying a damn computer. I too hate glare, and you are right in saying some things, butylu know what I got a white iMac used and I am saving up for a 17 mbp or air, those are the options, and that's also to do with what most people want unfortunately, live with it.