Someone doesn't know their history. The ERA was passed by both houses and eventually defeated because of disapproval by women. I would love love love to see it enacted. Imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth if both genders had the same standards in the military, it was illegal to give preference to women in college admissions, financial scholarship awards, family courts, criminal sentencing, etc...
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Apple Releases New Diversity Numbers, Hired Over 11,000 Women in Past Year
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Someone doesn't know their history. The ERA was passed by both houses and eventually defeated because of disapproval by women. I would love love love to see it enacted. Imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth if both genders had the same standards in the military, it was illegal to give preference to women in college admissions, financial scholarship awards, family courts, criminal sentencing, etc...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Rights_Amendment
One of the main detractors : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Women_Voters
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Rights_Amendment
So it was a Right wing opposition.
No suprise there.
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That's not what it's all about. We don't try to perfectly mirror the surrounding community when we hire. But if we are in an area that is 30% black, for example, but only 1% of our employees are black, we need to look at why that is so. Could be a variety of reasons, and the reasons may be legitimate, and if that is the case, fine. But we need to be able to explain it. And believe me, I've been told many times not to call someone in for an interview because their name "sounds black, or middle eastern" or whatever, or because "we think a man is better suited for this job."
Discrimination absolutely exists, and diversity does NOT mean that if a minority is less qualified than a non-minority, hire the minority anyway. It does mean that all other things being equal, consider giving the minority an opportunity.
You are describing a general misconception about what striving for diversity really means. See my response to Iceperson.
I'm afraid that it really doesn't matter how many times that you write or say these things, some will only see White Male misses out on privilege, and then throw a gigantic hissy fit.
And an easy cop out. You've been pretty vocal in this thread about your stance. So I challenge you to explain how you're okay with supporting a company who, by your own words, is discriminating against people that look like you.
It's obvious that you don't like Apple's practices that are highlighted in this article. It's obvious that you feel victimized, whether that be from your exact words or implied from your posts in here. So how do you reconcile monetarily supporting such a company? Why would you feed the machine that is so against your kind?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Rights_Amendment
So it was a Right wing opposition.
No suprise there.
Shocker.
Yes, because men and women couldn't possibly have different interests...
You do know that the the proportion of women in computer science has declined since the 1980's, right? Since X and Y chromosomes haven't rearranged themselves since the 1990's (or at least that I am aware of), a reasonable conclusion is that this is a social phenomenon. With women reporting hostility and isolation from their male peers in computer science, it seems like this has little to do with interests (other than wanting to feel included) and more to do with a male culture that is uncomfortable around women.
I am not in computer science per se, so if you guys (well, predominately guys) want to throw away the talent and potential of more than half the human race because they are Y-deficient, then knock yourselves out... Just don't cloak yourselves in self-deception while you are doing it.
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Following your logic then there are alot of minorities that have been passed over because of traditional hiring practices (affiirmative action for white males).
So it would seem to me that the playing field is being leveled in the long run.
It is funny that you talk about the victim culture for minorities when you are claiming that white mails are being passed over simply because a minority is being hired. Seems like you are part of the white male victim culture.
Yes, it couldn't possibly be that computing changed or the fact that male interest increased around the same time the PC and video game industry picked up. It's shame some people can't accept women's decisions if they don't fit their own world view. My daughter chose to switch majors from biochem to education after she volunteered with children for a summer and felt it would be a more rewarding career even if it paid less. It's a shame people like you will think less of her for it all under the guise of "equality"...
So you are going to do nothing.
I'll continue on reaping the rewards of my white male privilege...
Not really, I'll just keep being the best candidate for the job. The thing about quotas is they don't really steal jobs from those more deserving, an unqualified person won't get the job done, so Apple will still have to hire people who know what they're doing if they want to succeed. The only real negative is qualified women and minorities won't have the respect they deserve because people will assume they were a token hire...
Women like conservative Phyllis Schlafly.
But it's too simplistic to say that women defeated that amendment. Don't you think that there were many men (largely conservative) who were against it as well?
And I was just told by my girlfriend that women have more antennas than men and theirs receive all surrounding signals.Exactly. 0.00146GB is nothing compared to the TBs they have stored in their head.
Men with their one antenna only receive one!
That is crazy.
The assumption that companies would not hire the best person for a job to fill a quota is ridiculous. There is always room for a great applicant no matter thier race or gender. If someone is passed over then it is because there aren't the best candidate. Simple.
And how many good candidates have been passed over simply because the hiring manager was doing a favor for a friend or a relative? That is normal business practice for years.
What you describe is pure discrimination.
You might just as well have said, "All things being equal, discriminate."
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I hope your post was sarcasm because it wasn't then you need to get better glasses. There are 54% white people employed. Discriminated against......
As mentioned by me previously when it comes to US demographics 63.7% of people in US are white. Apple's employees are only 54% white, meaning they are underrepresented by ~15%. Blacks are 12.2% of US population while at Apple they make up 8%, meaning underrepresented by ~34%. Hispanic 16.4% vs 11%, underrepresented by ~33%. While only 4.7% of US population is Asian they make up 18% of Apple's workforce which is a over representation of ~283%!
When it comes to sheer numbers Apple would have to hire the highest number of whites followed by hispanics and blacks and get rid of 3 in 4 asians to make it nice and correct when it comes to actual proportional representation.
Exactly.
The one thing you can be sure of if you work at Apple is that any women or non-white may not be there because of merit. Therefore, the wise course of action will be to cast a second and third eye over the work of any of these hires.
To be on the safe side, they will need to delegate the most important work to white males only, as they will be the only people they can be sure will have earned their place at Apple on merit alone.
Tell me this: do you think it's entirely up to the discretion of an employer to hire who they want to hire?
And this in turn is a form of discrimination in itself, as is the assumption that someone got their job simply because there was a box that needed checking. This type of thinking will end up with a bunch of people complaining that they got denied a promotion due to their race or gender, and then...
...we're back at square one.
Let's just stick to who deserves the job rather than making sure white people consistently outnumber everyone else, especially blacks. No matter which way you cut it, white people outnumber everyone else in most corporations. Based on your post it's pretty easy to see who you are.