Apple Releases New Diversity Numbers, Hired Over 11,000 Women in Past Year

[cfedu]

You said the magic word. Evidence consists of arrests and trials.

Let's compare the number of arrests and trials in female on male rape cases.

I highly doubt those numbers would favor your argument.

https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates

So if a woman does not report a rape, does that mean she is not a victim?
So since only 2 in 100 "rapes" lead to conviction, would it be safe to say the other 98 were not raped?
If they were not raped, would the person claiming rape, be a false accuser?

where will you move the goal post next?


I have made no assumptions, all I cited was the CDC rape statistics and not to cherry pick only the numbers you like.
I'm sure men's rape experiences are very different from a woman's, but in know way should people like you trivialize male victims like you do.

 

[cfedu]

Rape does not "require force to be used."

It's similar to stand your ground laws.

You merely need to reasonably believe that your health and safety is at risk.

So men who get raped are not victims, but women who think that a man wants to rape them is a rape victim?

WOW you are messed up!!

you must believe this girl was raped

 

[citizenzen]

So men who get raped are not victims, but women who think that a man wants to rape them is a rape victim?

Oh yeah. That makes total sense.

I've considered answering you seriously, but we both know the uselessness in that.

Your pattern of projecting completely ridiculous delusions into the argument appear to be working well for you.

Best of luck with that.

 

[cfedu]

Oh yeah. That makes total sense.

I've considered answering you seriously, but we both know the uselessness in that.

Your pattern of projecting completely ridiculous delusions into the argument appear to be working well for you.

Best of luck with that.

Completely ridiculous delusions because I think men can be raped by a women!!! I guess that is just a ridiculous argument to have, whereas you are an rape apologist.

And frankly, I don't believe that, "men who have been made to penetrate" are real rape victims unless they felt their lives, health, safety or standing were in jeopardy by them not penetrating.

 

[citizenzen]

My whole quote ...

As the article you cited pointed out, that depends entirely on how one defines rape.

And frankly, I don't believe that, "men who have been made to penetrate" are real rape victims unless they felt their lives, health, safety or standing were in jeopardy by them not penetrating.

That's really pathetic of you to cut my post to distort my stance like that.

I think we're done here.

 

[cfedu]

My whole quote ...



That's really pathetic of you to cut my post to distort my stance like that.

I think we're done here.

So if a person is passed out, they can not have felt their lives, health, safety or standing were in jeopardy. Does that mean a women drugged and gang raped has really not been raped?

The rest of the quote was not necessary since rape does not require any of the other parts. Rape is sex without consent.

bye, bye apologist

 

[Renzatic]

Your pattern of projecting completely ridiculous delusions into the argument appear to be working well for you.

...I don't think he owns a theater, Zen.

 

[Eraserhead]

You forgot the laws that protect the genitals of baby girls and not those of boys

a) Female genital mutilation is far worse than circumcision. FGM can stop a woman having an orgasm. Circumcision does not.
b) Circumcision is religious. FGM is not.

and there are also the instances where male child rape victims have been forced to pay child support to their rapist.

Only with statutory rape - which isn't that serious.

It's always interesting when these guys say "just child custody" too. As a parent I can't imagine a more important right, right after the right to life, than the right to access to your children...

Well lots of men don't seem to care unfortunately.

But lack of child custody doesn't mean you lose access.

 

[Happybunny]

The way that some of you have been grinding on this subject, leads me to think that you have a major problem with any female who isn’t a slave.

This is not the 1950’s and those days are never ever coming back, if I was you I would face the facts, because life can get very difficult for dinosaurs, who refuse to change.

 

[cfedu]

Only with statutory rape - which isn't that serious.

I will remeber that the next time an 10 year old has sex with a 30 years old.

"statutory rape - which isn't that serious.".



There have also been times where it has happened to adult males, judges have said the don't care.

 

[Renzatic]

There have also been times where it has happened to adult males, judges have said the don't care.

I Was An Adult Statutory Rape Victim sounds like one of those cheesy movies you'd see on Lifetime.

 

[cfedu]

I Was An Adult Statutory Rape Victim sounds like one of those cheesy movies you'd see on Lifetime.

I meant adult rape victims ordered to pay child support. Not that an adult could be a statutory rape victim, sorry for the confusion.

 

[VulchR]

except of course when you're taking education, nursing, psychiatry, social work, etc...

We weren't discussing those fields, but we can have that discussion if you wish. Gender stereotyping and dsicrmination occurs in many fields.

It would be prima facia evidence of a gender imbalance. The fact that women live longer than men would not be prima facia evidence that the healthcare system discriminates against men, nor would ratio of nursing graduates be prima facia evidence of a gender bias.

Prima facia means 'at first glance'. I agree that deeper analysis is required to understand the source of the bias. I did some of that. You did not. Also, why not explore these other biases? What would be the harm?

Haha...always a disregard to the data that shows quite to the contrary. We already explained several times the spike in computer science by women.

Male undergraduate degrees have spiked upward, degrees for females have not. Females are losing out on a high-tech high-growth field. And you haven't explained a thing with any evidence other than your impressions, hand-waving, and fiating of your world view. When I read your posts I am relieved that I work in an evidence-based field.

Perhaps you can tell us why this is such a unique problem among STEM fields compared to the other scientific fields dominated by men. Other then the spike itself and why men not wanting to work with women in computer science when evidence show the opposite?

Sigh. Please get this straight - computer science is unique among the main STEM fields. Even physics, maths, and engineering have more diversity. Show me one other scientific field dominated to the same extent by men (as measured by undergraduate degrees).

The way that some of you have been grinding on this subject, leads me to think that you have a major problem with any female who isn’t a slave.

This is not the 1950’s and those days are never ever coming back, if I was you I would face the facts, because life can get very difficult for dinosaurs, who refuse to change.

I agree wholeheartedly. Some people cannot accept change and cannot see inequality because it threatens their precious world-view. My only conciliation is that demogrpahics will lessen the impact of such people on my daughters' lives over time.

 

[cfedu]

Prima facia means 'at first glance'. I agree that deeper analysis is required to understand the source of the bias. I did some of that. You did not. Also, why not explore these other biases? What would be the harm?

First, the ratio's are prima facia evidence of gender bias.

At first glance, there is evidence that there is an imbalance not a bias. You can not make any conclusions until more informations is gathered or produced.

If what you said was correct, it would mean men are discriminated against, in nursing jobs, teaching jobs, daycare jobs and so on.

You have provided more informations with regards to this topic and have also discredited counter evidence with little to no reasoning like that work place gender preference about who men an and women prefer to work with. I find it hard to believe that, that applies to every offer field, but not to people in computer science. I just can't think of a reason why people in computer science could be an inherent anomaly, different from everyone else. Maybe you are correct, but I find it hard to believe.

 

[linuxcooldude]

And you haven't explained a thing with any evidence other than your impressions, hand-waving, and fiating of your world view. When I read your posts I am relieved that I work in an evidence-based field.

Exactly what you have been doing most of the time. You never explained why your claims are valid other then a spike exists in computer science. Why is computer science unique among the other male dominated STEM related jobs ( Other STEM jobs are still largely dominated by men even though it has SLIGHTLY more women then computer science )...why men prefer to work with other men mainly in computer science. Which is kind of ironic since your claiming you work in an evidence based job.

I agree wholeheartedly. Some people cannot accept change and cannot see inequality because it threatens their precious world-view. My only conciliation is that demogrpahics will lessen the impact of such people on my daughters' lives over time.

You cannot change inequality, in cases where it does not exist. First you must provide evidence ( Your words ) that the imbalance was do to discrimination or bias. So far I have not seen any conclusive evidence with anything other then the imbalance existing. Other factors could explain ( Which many of us provided ) this imbalance.

 

[Eraserhead]

I will remeber that the next time an 10 year old has sex with a 30 years old.

"statutory rape - which isn't that serious.".

That wouldn't be statutory rape. Statutory rape is between people around the age of consent.

 

[Eraserhead]

Exactly what you have been doing most of the time. You never explained why your claims are valid other then a spike exists in computer science. Why is computer science unique among the other male dominated STEM related jobs ( Other STEM jobs are still largely dominated by men even though it has SLIGHTLY more women then computer science )...why men prefer to work with other men mainly in computer science. Which is kind of ironic since your claiming you work in an evidence based job.



You cannot change inequality, in cases where it does not exist. First you must provide evidence ( Your words ) that the imbalance was do to discrimination or bias. So far I have not seen any conclusive evidence with anything other then the imbalance existing. Other factors could explain ( Which many of us provided ) this imbalance.

Other fields have improved substantially though. And 45% female is a lot better than 20% female.

 

[Eraserhead]

I meant adult rape victims ordered to pay child support.

Source.

 

[Renzatic]

That wouldn't be statutory rape. Statutory rape is between people around the age of consent.

Not quite. Statutory rape includes any minor, from 12 to 17 (depending on the state). It's only "not bad" when it's an 18 year old having sex with a 16 year old, since they're still around the same age and level of maturity.

But when you've got a 40 year old having sex with a 14 year old, that's pretty godawful no matter how you look at it.

 

[cfedu]

That wouldn't be statutory rape. Statutory rape is between people around the age of consent.

What are you talking about.


stat·u·to·ry rape
noun
LAW

1. sexual intercourse with a minor.

not between two minors




https://www.cga.ct.gov/2003/olrdata/jud/rpt/2003-r-0376.htm

Alabama


First-degree rape for someone age 16 or older to have sexual intercourse with someone under age 12.

Second-degree rape for someone age 16 or older to have sexual intercourse with someone between age 12 and 16, when the actor is at least two years older.

Life in prison or between 10 and 99 years

Two to 20 years in prison

Alaska



First-degree sexual abuse of a minor for someone age 16 or older to engage in sexual penetration with someone under age 13.

Second-degree sexual abuse of a minor for someone age 16 or older to engage in sexual penetration with someone who is age 13, 14, or 15 and at least three years younger than the offender.

Fourth-degree sexual abuse of a minor for someone under age 16 to engage in sexual penetration with someone under age 13 and at least three years younger.

Up to 30 years in prison

Up to 10 years in prison

Up to one year in prison

Arizona

§ 13-1405

Sexual conduct with a minor to engage in sexual intercourse with someone under age 18.



Do i have to do this for every state.

 

[linuxcooldude]

Other fields have improved substantially though. And 45% female is a lot better than 20% female.

Its more like 30% to 18%. No job field, other then computer science, went more then around 30% I counted computer science as 18% rather then 5% because it stayed mostly on average 20% before going down.

Women's choices are shaped in part by how welcome they are made to feel, just like any group of people.

How would they know how welcome they would feel until after they graduate and go into their field of choice? By then its kind of late to change fields and the extra cost of re-education. I know you might say in college, but the college experience is much different then working the actual job.

Do they have a psychic premonition of their work environment prior to choosing their major?

 

[cfedu]

Its more like 30% to 18%. No job field, other then computer science, went more then around 30% I counted computer science as 18% rather then 5% because it stayed mostly on average 20% before going down.



How would they know how welcome they would feel until after they graduate and go into their field of choice? By then its kind of late to change fields and the extra cost of re-education. I know you might say in college, but the college experience is much different then working the actual job.

Do they have a psychic premonition of their work environment prior to choosing their major?

I work in a profession where 95% of my co-workers are male, and yet I have never seen any bias against women. I got a scholarship for my private pilots licence when I was in Air Cadets along with another female Cadet from my Squadron. Today I'm an airline pilot and she is a University professor with Phd in Genders Studies, we both chose different careers. We both had the same opportunity as we both got pilot scholarships, and yet we made different choices.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/03/18/female.airline.pilots/

 

[bradl]

I work in a profession where 95% of my co-workers are male, and yet I have never seen any bias against women. I got a scholarship for my private pilots licence when I was in Air Cadets along with another female Cadet from my Squadron. Today I'm an airline pilot and she is a University professor with Phd in Genders Studies, we both chose different careers. We both had the same opportunity as we both got pilot scholarships, and yet we made different choices.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/03/18/female.airline.pilots/

And yet you have of no better authority than Amelia Earhart, posting things like this:

https://twitter.com/Amelia__Earhart/status/631549099989336064

Amelia Rose Earhart ‏@Amelia__Earhart Aug 12 Denver, CO

And we wonder why there aren't more women who fly. SMH.
http://www.wmagazine.com/culture/travel/2015/08/supermodels-in-helicopters/photos/slide/1?mbid=social_twitter…

How to Travel Like a Supermodel in a Helicopter
By W magazine @wmag

Look at any supermodel’s Instagram account and you are pretty much guaranteed to find at least one photo taken in or from a helicopter. They’re always on the go—and, of course, have no time to waste...

When you have groups glamorizing and pigeonholing a career in which women are already in short supply, it isn't going to give any young woman coming up the belief that they can make it in such a career without being harassed (lack of a better word) at some point, so why should they even bother?

This is the exact thing that Earhart is trying to fight and overcome in aviation, and is something that IT needs to overcome as well.

BL.

 

[randian]

When you have groups glamorizing and pigeonholing a career in which women are already in short supply, it isn't going to give any young woman coming up the belief that they can make it in such a career without being harassed (lack of a better word) at some point, so why should they even bother?

They should bother for the same reason the men who were told flying was a crazy man's dream kept at it.

 

[bradl]

They should bother for the same reason the men who were told flying was a crazy man's dream kept at it.

I think you're missing the point, especially if you look through the photo spread linked. Half of the shots are of supermodels wearing designer clothing, some even drinking beer and living the glamour life, with the only thing aviation related being that they are a passenger on a flight; something that we as a society are in effect trying to make them to be (read: fit the supermodel stereotype). That really doesn't translate well to the career of being a pilot.

Why should they bother to try their hardest to be seen as what they would be (a pilot) than a sexual object to be fawned at because they are in such a prestigious position?

BL.