I'm not sure if that's accurate. Many of the people here are from different countries and they bitch more than anyone else.
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Apple Releases New Diversity Numbers, Hired Over 11,000 Women in Past Year
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I'm not sure if that's accurate. Many of the people here are from different countries and they bitch more than anyone else.
I think his point was more along the lines of hiring lesser qualified people to fill some "quota" vs hiring the best person for the job. I personally could care less what ethnicity my co-workers are as long as: 1) they speak English well (I'm in the US), and 2) are competent. Black, White, Green, Martian, Indian, Hispanic, whatever.
I think you're also missing the point.
If a company is factoring in a person's race and/or sex when going through resumes, then there is already something wrong with the way that company is handling its hiring practices. Any decent business would vet potential candidates by the credentials within their resumes and impressions made during interviews, not their gender or race.
I think it is pretty much safe to say that with the position that Apple is in, they are not going to hire lesser qualified people for positions in their company. Having seen their vetting process for hiring, their standards, like other IT companies, are very high, to where if someone isn't qualified enough, they'll get the Spanish Elbow.
Everyone here already expects Apple to hold themselves to high standards because they are Apple; this issue should be no exception.
BL.
Incredible.
A 65% increase in women in one year? So either Apple has been deliberately excluding women for years, suddenly lots of talented women have appeared, or Apple are using positive discrimination. The third seems the most likely by far.
No wonder Apple is such a mess these days. Look at Apple Music: what a sad indictment of the quality of Apple's employees. Tim Cook is now putting discrimination before performance. The share price is reflecting this dismal truth.
Truly, I fear for the long-term health of this once-great company. All that good work that Steve Jobs put in to turn Apple into a much-loved household name is being destroyed bit by bit. I can forgive Apple for not bringing out another revolutionary product. As Steve Jobs said, you're lucky if one of those comes along in your lifetime, let alone three. All we could have wished for was a continuation of the superb products that Jobs blessed the world with. Alas, we have been denied even that. The quality of Apple's software has plummeted to new depths, the CEO has gone off on a political crank at the expense of a laser-like focus on the core computing products, and Ive has, quite reasonably, lost interest in designing a good iPhone.
Apple used to be an alpha company. We must now recognise its beta status. Let us all hope and pray that Tim Cook is replaced forthwith by a man who has vision, who can regain at least some of the lost lustre that Cook has bled into its vapid gold offerings.
A 65% increase in women in one year? So either Apple has been deliberately excluding women for years, suddenly lots of talented women have appeared, or Apple are using positive discrimination. The third seems the most likely by far.
No wonder Apple is such a mess these days. Look at Apple Music: what a sad indictment of the quality of Apple's employees. Tim Cook is now putting discrimination before performance. The share price is reflecting this dismal truth.
Truly, I fear for the long-term health of this once-great company. All that good work that Steve Jobs put in to turn Apple into a much-loved household name is being destroyed bit by bit. I can forgive Apple for not bringing out another revolutionary product. As Steve Jobs said, you're lucky if one of those comes along in your lifetime, let alone three. All we could have wished for was a continuation of the superb products that Jobs blessed the world with. Alas, we have been denied even that. The quality of Apple's software has plummeted to new depths, the CEO has gone off on a political crank at the expense of a laser-like focus on the core computing products, and Ive has, quite reasonably, lost interest in designing a good iPhone.
Apple used to be an alpha company. We must now recognise its beta status. Let us all hope and pray that Tim Cook is replaced forthwith by a man who has vision, who can regain at least some of the lost lustre that Cook has bled into its vapid gold offerings.
I think a slight combination of all three might be the cause. Women have be graduating university in higher numbers lately, and together with a bit of positive discrimination, we get these results.
Let's be honest here, THE only unbiased way for any company to hire is Blind Interviews.
You know nothing about the persons Age, Race, Gender, Physical ability or looks until you give them the job.
THEN you find out what they are like as a "piece of meat" after they have the job based on their skills.
Nothing to do with their sex, size of breasts, colour of hair, what tattoo's they have and wear, colour of their hair, height, age, colour of skin, how they speak etc etc.. Nothing.
Until that is done, it will always be biased in some way based upon the views of the interviewers.
You know nothing about the persons Age, Race, Gender, Physical ability or looks until you give them the job.
THEN you find out what they are like as a "piece of meat" after they have the job based on their skills.
Nothing to do with their sex, size of breasts, colour of hair, what tattoo's they have and wear, colour of their hair, height, age, colour of skin, how they speak etc etc.. Nothing.
Until that is done, it will always be biased in some way based upon the views of the interviewers.
Someone posted this in another thread a while back....
"Diversity is the enemy of merit."
It's true, and I'm glad to see that so many in here have the common sense to see this for what it is.
"Diversity is the enemy of merit."
It's true, and I'm glad to see that so many in here have the common sense to see this for what it is.
If they just so happened to hire that many woman then this is great. But if even one man was passed up who was more qualified just so they could meet some imaginary quota then that I do not like. I thought we were done with affirmative action?
Oh please. EARN the job, getting it because you have a vagina is just as wrong as not getting it because you have a vagina
Why do people assume that Apple must have factored gender/race into their hiring process of the individual employees in order to boost their diversity numbers?
Is it impossible to imagine that there are ways that don't involve profiling to raise these numbers? For example, couldn't Apple have looked at the colleges they hire out of and realized the diversity issue may stem from there, and decided to look at colleges with larger diversity? Or maybe Apple increased recruiting efforts at cities/stated with a larger Hispanic population?
I highly doubt that only way to boost diversity numbers is to look at an individual applicant's race and gender, and I also highly doubt Apple did it that way.
Is it impossible to imagine that there are ways that don't involve profiling to raise these numbers? For example, couldn't Apple have looked at the colleges they hire out of and realized the diversity issue may stem from there, and decided to look at colleges with larger diversity? Or maybe Apple increased recruiting efforts at cities/stated with a larger Hispanic population?
I highly doubt that only way to boost diversity numbers is to look at an individual applicant's race and gender, and I also highly doubt Apple did it that way.
Indeed.
And all those brave firemen in 9/11; if I were trapped in a fire, I would dearly hope it was a guy coming to save me, not a doll.
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What makes you think that's how to solve diversity: Just hiring more vaginas?
What if instead of looking at colleges that are dominated by males, during recruitment, you look at schools with a greater gender diversity in their engineering programs? What if you look at states that invest more heavily in the STEM programs, and thus tend to have more girls going into engineering majors? What if you just increase recruitment from those areas, and happen to get more female applicants that do earn the job?
Or you can be lazy and assume the illogical way of meeting diversity goals.
Corporate america cop out.
Want more diversity? Just hire a bunch of women, indians and asians. Now see how diverse we are!
Want more diversity? Just hire a bunch of women, indians and asians. Now see how diverse we are!
Talk about someone who has some esteem issues. I would only hope that a woman came to your aid when you are in distress. Seeing that she would just humble in just doing her job, you'd see exactly where problem is, by simply looking in the mirror.
Oh.. would it help you to know that a FEMALE DOG actually saved the lives of over 300 people when Tower 1 came down?
I sure as hell kid you not.
BL.
And yet the software quality hasn't gotten any better, some say worse. Maybe Apple should focus on hiring higher quality programmers.
I look at how far Windows 10 has come since Windows 8 or 7, and then I look at OS X between Yosemite and Capitan and I wonder if Apple is just hitting the snooze button and coasting on the glowing logo.
But look at all our new women!
Why is it intrinsically better to be more diverse?
It isn't. This is the big liberal lie of the modern age. Merit is all that matters.
Tim Cook is just one more sucker whose mind is blinded by false guilt.
Steve Jobs was a white dude who created and nurtured Apple, and without him, we wouldn't have had the iPhone. Sure, there was a whole team working on it, but he was the crucial ingredient (along with God).
Tim Cook has created a culture which is anathema to such single-minded vision. By encouraging diversity, he is actively attacking the roots of creativity which are essential to provoke a revolutionary leap in technology.