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These GPU cards are a joke, a 5750 isn't good enough to play in native resolution of a 27" 2560x1440 monitor. I don't think you can even run Starcraft 2 with all options to max with this configuration... High end iMacs should have HD 58xx series GPU (i mean NO Mobility Radeons !).
 
These GPU cards are a joke, a 5750 isn't good enough to play in native resolution of a 27" 2560x1440 monitor. I don't think you can even run Starcraft 2 with all options to max with this configuration... High end iMacs should have HD 58xx series GPU (i mean NO Mobility Radeons !).

I guess its form over function once again. Of course I'm no iMac designer/engineer but I imagine there simply isn't the space to house such a graphics card. Also, love your country. Starting to see more and more belgians here - always nice. :)
 
.. which is why I'll go for the 21.5" with the 5670!

My Radeon 2600 has served me well for 3 years, so the 5670 will be fine for games on that sized screen.
 
In a little over a year I have watched my once brand-new iMac turn obsolete, so many changes in so little time, that is technology.
LOL. It's far from obsolete. Even my three year old Core 2 Duo isn't obsolete, I'm only wanting to upgrade because it was the low-end model and the video card (HD2400) doesn't handle Steam games particularly well. If I'd gone with the mid-range one then I'd probably be keeping it another year.

Enjoy your iMac. It's a great machine and still perfectly capable of handling everything you throw at it. So what if there's something faster on the market. You don't move house every time someone else buys a bigger one do you? :D
 
Phew, my new PC still has a better cpu, gpu and more ram than any of the new base models.

If you don't like it, Why are you here?!
God I hate Windows users they all seam to log onto Apple sites etc and bitch if you don't like them/us keep it to yourself
 
13 pages in. It's unlikely he'll read your response.

Chill out. If better specs gives them a feeling of superiority great. Doesn't stop you enjoying your Mac does it?
 
Deep rooted jealousy. The Beauty of the iMac cannot be understated. It's like having some fat trollop at home who will give you the works sex wise, but really a simple bj from a sexy vixen is so much more satisfying.
 
Deep rooted jealousy. The Beauty of the iMac cannot be understated. It's like having some fat trollop at home who will give you the works sex wise, but really a simple bj from a sexy vixen is so much more satisfying.

And the vixen costs alot more and has inferior specifications in some departments? :confused:

I would love an iMac. I agree that its a beautiful machine (I've seen some PC All-In-One copies... youch) so no doubt alot of PC users in this thread want one. But it barely outperforms my Dell Studio in terms of specifications on paper, and even with the better OS (which does account for alot) I can't warrant the £1300 price tag for a machine that is marginally better, and I'm sure others are having such issues too.

And my God, what an obnoxious statement to make regarding women. :rolleyes:

EDIT: Apologies, when I say marginally better I mean in specific areas. While the CPU is better than my Dell, the GPU suffers.
 
How does this compare to the 2.8ghz intel core i7 imac I bought on the last refresh?
A very minor speed-bump. The processor is more energy efficient, but the graphics card is virtually the same, but more energy efficient.
I guess for me the things I'll feel a little whiny about is the faster CPU and the better graphics card but I've had this thing for almost a month now so I think it's beyond the point of taking it back and it's been far more Mac than I expected it to be. No problem.
The graphics card is only very slightly better. Top performance of your 4850 is 1 Teraflop - the performance of the 5750 is 1.008 Teraflop.
The GPU in the top end iMac will have trouble running games at native resolution and with high graphics options. That GPU should be in the 21'' version.
Dead right! It should have had at least a 5850 if they want it taken seriously as a games machine. Particularly as all the iMacs use the Mobility Radeon cards, and not the desktop version.

isisnt the 5750 slower than the 4850 or is it the desktop version
5750 is faster than a 4850. Mobile or not.
It's very slightly faster. By 0.008 Teraflops. See here.

the 5750 is 400 stream processor 4850 has 800.. ? faster? it is wayyy slower. but desktop it is faster. if the 5750 is desktop its faster
Wrong. The 5750 has 720 stream processors. Coupled with a smaller process (40 nm vs 55nm) it translates into the very slight speed increase seen above.
Though of course all these numbers are the desktop version, and not the Mobility version which the iMacs use.
 
What I'm saying is that IF you are willing to build your own computer, you can get an approximately equivalent (you lose OSX, aluminum enclosure, etc) machine for much, much less. You do, however, gain in other areas, such as overclocking, customization, etc.

Yawn....

I can build a faster car than a Lexus ISC10, too. But I would have a cobbled together, high maintenance piece of crap. I'd rather have the Lexus, and just drive. That's my bag. If it's not yours, fine. But there is a large segment of the computer buying public that's getting tired of the crap, and just want their computers to work. That's me.

I've used, worked on, and yes built many, many Windows PCs over the years. I've built Intel and AMD. Fast, powerful beasts, and more tame, email, document and web browsing stations. Fact is, 90% or more of the people who have and use computers only need the latter, and are tired of the crap they get when the Dells and HPs of the world are pushing specs instead of a quality experience.

Win PC makers, in general have nothing to offer from a research and development standpoint. They've learned long ago, painfully in some instances that most of their consumers are going to punish their bottom line for investing in true R&D, design, etc. The low margins that PCs command dictate a Wal-Mart approach to selling their product.

Apple has distinguished themselves from that segment of the market. Sure they could throw in the hot graphics card that ATI just introduced two weeks ago. But that would not allow adequate time to hash out the software and firmware bugs inherent in any new, cutting edge hardware these days.

Apple still invests heavily in design and R&D. Using American-based engineers and designers. That costs money. Don't believe me? Ask Compaq.

If you want the hottest hardware, and are willing to put up with a less than high quality experience, be my guest. After working as an IT professional for decades, and having built, maintained and used literally thousands of PCs during that time, I am perfectly happy to have a slightly more expensive, higher quality, more stable and less stressful computing experience.

If that's not your bag, I understand. But don't whine and throw darts at Apple for providing a quality product in a market that you don't understand.
 
Alright, I'll bite, since it's pertinent to my short-term purchasing decisions.

Here are the PC specs I've priced out at my neighbourhood retailer (NCIX.com) - whose service I've enjoyed in the past and who have a B&M store I can drive to if I need to exchange/replace anything.

A PC shopping list, including wireless peripherals, a not-too-shabby looking case, and a mobo with Firewire:


  • Intel Core i7 870 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.93GHZ Hyperthreading 8MB Cache Retail Box: $369.99
  • OCZ Gold 8GB DDR3 2X4GB DDR3-1333 PC3-10666 CL 9-9-9-20 1.65V Dual Channel Memory Kit: $272.67
  • Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Dual Proc Hard Drive OEM: $96.79
  • Powercolor Radeon HD 5750 700MHZ 1GB 4.6GHZ GDDR5 VGA DVI HDMI DIRECTX11 PCI-E Video Card: $144.99
  • Samsung SH-S223C 22X DVD Writer SATA Black OEM: $29.89
  • Logitech K340 Wireless Keyboard with Mini USB Unifying Receiver: $60.46
  • Logitech Wireless Mouse M505 Black: $69.99
  • OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W ATX 20/24PIN SLI Ready Modular Cables 135mm Fan Active PFC Power Supply: $89.99
  • Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64BIT DVD OEM: $119.78
  • Gigabyte P55A-UD4P ATX LGA1156 P55 DDR3 2PCI-E RAID GBLAN CrossFireX SLI USB3.0 SATA3 Motherboard: $189.99
  • Antec NSK4482B ATX Mini Tower Case Black 3X5.25 2X3.5EXT 3X3.5INT Front USB Audio with 380W PSU: $85.99
  • Noctua NH-U12P SE2 LGA775/1156/1366 AM2/AM3 I7/I5/PHENOM Heatpipe Cooler W/ 2XNH-P12 120MM Fans: $79.99
  • NCIX Assembly: $50.00
  • Subtotal: $1,610.52
  • + DELL ULTRASHARP U2711 27-INCH MONITOR: 879.00
  • TOTAL: $2489.52

But let's say you're a shopping ninja, and you can slash that price by 150 bucks, plus you can assemble it yourself, thus saving another 50 bucks.
A Windows PC (Adjusted Genius Price): $2,289.52

Comparatively spec'd iMac (i7, 8GB, 1TB): $2,539.00

**All prices are in Canadian dollars (because I am Canadian, and I'm doing this for me.)**


So roughly a $300 savings to build your own Windows machine. Considering the aesthetics, the Mac's additional resolution, the PC's additional expandability, and the user experience difference between OSX and Windows, I'd say that $300 is right on the borderline, and I'd have a tough time choosing.

Now, personally the hassle of assembling it myself VS. the iMac's non-existent expandability cancel each other out. The aesthetics, meanwhile, are VERY important (as is the desktop footprint). And if I bought a PC, I'd spend more on the graphics card. So considering that I don't want to assemble the thing, I'm not a ninja shopper, and I want a better GPU, I'm looking at saving maybe $17.00 by buying a PC.

It's up to each individual how important things like aesthetics and price are, but it seems to me that if I were laying out ~$2000 for a PC, a hundred bucks either way wouldn't be a big deal.

And if you can show me a price list that beats my hastily-assembled list, I'd love to see it (Canadian, if possible - even better? NCIX-based).



Here is your list and price from what I get in a local store in Hong Kong. I take out 2 items, you don't need a heatpipe cooler because the CPU comes with a fan. You don't need assembly because it is free. All the amount below is converted form Hong Kong dollar to Candian dollar thru Yahoo.

You don't need to be a shopping ninja neither in order to get the price below. Price are almost the same for most of the shops here. Most of the items can get in the same shop except for the monitor.


Intel Core i7 870 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.93GHZ Hyperthreading 8MB Cache Retail Box: $306
OCZ Gold 8GB DDR3 2X4GB DDR3-1333 PC3-10666 CL 9-9-9-20 1.65V Dual Channel Memory Kit: $272
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Dual Proc Hard Drive OEM: $82
Powercolor Radeon HD 5750 700MHZ 1GB 4.6GHZ GDDR5 VGA DVI HDMI DIRECTX11 PCI-E Video Card: $119
Samsung SH-S223C 22X DVD Writer SATA Black OEM: $30
Logitech K340 Wireless Keyboard with Mini USB Unifying Receiver: $49
Logitech Wireless Mouse M505 Black: $44
OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W ATX 20/24PIN SLI Ready Modular Cables 135mm Fan Active PFC Power Supply: $90
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64BIT DVD OEM: $95
Gigabyte P55A-UD4P ATX LGA1156 P55 DDR3 2PCI-E RAID GBLAN CrossFireX SLI USB3.0 SATA3 Motherboard: $185
Antec NSK4482B ATX Mini Tower Case Black 3X5.25 2X3.5EXT 3X3.5INT Front USB Audio with 380W PSU: $87
#Noctua NH-U12P SE2 LGA775/1156/1366 AM2/AM3 I7/I5/PHENOM Heatpipe Cooler W/ 2XNH-P12 120MM Fans: $79.99
#NCIX Assembly: $50.00

+ DELL ULTRASHARP U2711 27-INCH MONITOR: 698.00 (order online Dell store Hong Kong)
TOTAL: $2057

Comparatively spec'd iMac (i7, 8GB, 1TB): $2,539.00

This is $500 CAD discount right here. With $500, you can upgrade the video card to a HD 5970 already. Or you can use it to buy a Intel 160G SSD. And FYI, you can do mail order from some of the HK computer shops.

I want to emphasize once again, if anyone want to build a gaming machine, it will NOT be an iMAC.



Reference:
http://www.price.com.hk/product.php?p=114032
http://www.price.com.hk/product.php?p=114034
http://www.price.com.hk/product.php?p=114222
http://www1.ap.dell.com/hk/zh/business/Monitors/ct.aspx?refid=monitors&s=bsd&cs=hkbsd1&~tab=2
http://www.jumbo-computer.com/pricelist.asp
 
Dear Sir,

I made a brief calculation about your typing...

The term 'pissed off' requires 10 key presses. It takes 9 to type the term 'P.O.'ed' but I can imagine that it also takes a bit of additional thinking. Time, that as I proved it to you, some people have too much of occasionally.

Sincerely,

ha! i love it. the irony being that your analysis of his decision proved you are the true owner of too much time...
 
5750 is faster than a 4850. Mobile or not.

Debatable. When the 5770 came out many people recommended the 4850 over it. In many benchmarks it still beat the 5770, however there were limitations on the 4 series for support of newer DirectX (which is mostly irrelevant in Macs) and OpenGL versions and no support for some of the newer ATI specific technologies.

Basically if you wanted DX11 or Eyefinity, they recommended you go with the 5750. If you wanted something faster, they recommended the 4850.
 
iMac 27" Mid-2010 CPU Specifics

Apple's iMac performance page @ http://www.apple.com/imac/performance.html states:

"Now all iMac models come standard with Intel Core processors built on a new architecture. Based on Intel’s 32-nanometer process technology, these processors set new benchmarks for iMac performance."

and the tech spaces page @ http://www.apple.com/imac/specs.html says:

"2.93GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 processor with 8MB level 3 cache; supports Hyper-Threading and Turbo Boost"

Which actual Intel CPU is inside that is 2.93 base speed and is on the 32 nm process?

http://www.intel.com/consumer/products/processors/corei7-specs.htm

If it's an i7-870 (hyperthread, Turbo to 3.6 GHz, 2 channels, 16GB, 1333 support, 95W TDP), then it's a 45nm chip, unless Intel has re-tooled the same chip as a 32nm part? Or Apple has some bad data on the site there?

Intel has really made knowing which CPU is which a real PITA in the last few years, and of course, since Apple sometimes gets 'new and unusual gear', it's even trickier. Any input is appreciated!
 
Man, if that's possible, I would really appreciate if you could put together a component list to show me how. I don't think I could do it.

Sure, give me some time since I am at work.

Just a quick search for the GFX card on Newegg.com gave me this which is missing some minor comparable components. It's $999 US $1031 CA plus the $900 (from your quote) Dell 27" which brings it to about $1950 or so. That's about $600 less than $2489.52.

It'll take me a good hour or so to find the right parts.

For the record, I am all for buying a machine over putting it together, just that the gap between the Mac and the PC is a bit wider than a few hundred dollars. I've found it to be about $500 -- $600 consistently.

Also, it's very hard to compare an upgradeable tower with an all-in-one like the iMac.
 
Here is your list and price from what I get in a local store in Hong Kong. I take out 2 items, you don't need a heatpipe cooler because the CPU comes with a fan. You don't need assembly because it is free. All the amount below is converted form Hong Kong dollar to Candian dollar thru Yahoo.

You don't need to be a shopping ninja neither in order to get the price below. Price are almost the same for most of the shops here. Most of the items can get in the same shop except for the monitor.


Intel Core i7 870 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.93GHZ Hyperthreading 8MB Cache Retail Box: $306
OCZ Gold 8GB DDR3 2X4GB DDR3-1333 PC3-10666 CL 9-9-9-20 1.65V Dual Channel Memory Kit: $272
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Dual Proc Hard Drive OEM: $82
Powercolor Radeon HD 5750 700MHZ 1GB 4.6GHZ GDDR5 VGA DVI HDMI DIRECTX11 PCI-E Video Card: $119
Samsung SH-S223C 22X DVD Writer SATA Black OEM: $30
Logitech K340 Wireless Keyboard with Mini USB Unifying Receiver: $49
Logitech Wireless Mouse M505 Black: $44
OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W ATX 20/24PIN SLI Ready Modular Cables 135mm Fan Active PFC Power Supply: $90
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64BIT DVD OEM: $95
Gigabyte P55A-UD4P ATX LGA1156 P55 DDR3 2PCI-E RAID GBLAN CrossFireX SLI USB3.0 SATA3 Motherboard: $185
Antec NSK4482B ATX Mini Tower Case Black 3X5.25 2X3.5EXT 3X3.5INT Front USB Audio with 380W PSU: $87
#Noctua NH-U12P SE2 LGA775/1156/1366 AM2/AM3 I7/I5/PHENOM Heatpipe Cooler W/ 2XNH-P12 120MM Fans: $79.99
#NCIX Assembly: $50.00

+ DELL ULTRASHARP U2711 27-INCH MONITOR: 698.00 (order online Dell store Hong Kong)
TOTAL: $2057

Comparatively spec'd iMac (i7, 8GB, 1TB): $2,539.00

This is $500 CAD discount right here. With $500, you can upgrade the video card to a HD 5970 already. Or you can use it to buy a Intel 160G SSD. And FYI, you can do mail order from some of the HK computer shops.

I want to emphasize once again, if anyone want to build a gaming machine, it will NOT be an iMAC.



Reference:
http://www.price.com.hk/product.php?p=114032
http://www.price.com.hk/product.php?p=114034
http://www.price.com.hk/product.php?p=114222
http://www1.ap.dell.com/hk/zh/business/Monitors/ct.aspx?refid=monitors&s=bsd&cs=hkbsd1&~tab=2
http://www.jumbo-computer.com/pricelist.asp

WOW... Nice specs and pricing. But, is this an all-in-one pc or comes with a tower? Surely, it comes with a tower so it is not comparable. If you have a better spec'd ALL-IN-ONE PC, built your own, then post it. If you have nothing, then post it somewhere else.
 
Apple's iMac performance page @ http://www.apple.com/imac/performance.html states:

"Now all iMac models come standard with Intel Core processors built on a new architecture. Based on Intel’s 32-nanometer process technology, these processors set new benchmarks for iMac performance."

and the tech spaces page @ http://www.apple.com/imac/specs.html says:

"2.93GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 processor with 8MB level 3 cache; supports Hyper-Threading and Turbo Boost"

Which actual Intel CPU is inside that is 2.93 base speed and is on the 32 nm process?

http://www.intel.com/consumer/products/processors/corei7-specs.htm

If it's an i7-870 (hyperthread, Turbo to 3.6 GHz, 2 channels, 16GB, 1333 support, 95W TDP), then it's a 45nm chip, unless Intel has re-tooled the same chip as a 32nm part? Or Apple has some bad data on the site there?

Intel has really made knowing which CPU is which a real PITA in the last few years, and of course, since Apple sometimes gets 'new and unusual gear', it's even trickier. Any input is appreciated!

http://www.intel.com/products/processor/index.htm
 
WOW... Nice specs and pricing. But, is this an all-in-one pc or comes with a tower? Surely, it comes with a tower so it is not comparable. If you have a better spec'd ALL-IN-ONE PC, built your own, then post it. If you have nothing, then post it somewhere else.

NO, read the poster he's/she's quoting about and you'll see that we are talking about a tower configuration. The quoted poster compared the PC to the iMac and used expensive parts to show a small price difference.

And the post I placed above even says that comparing a tower i7 to an iMac isn't a reasonable comparison. The tower PC would better compare to the Mac Pro, which would give you an even larger price difference.
 
At 20 pages long, I'll admit I didn't read all the posts so it may have been asked. With all this talk about "how crappy" the video cards are, I'm curious if either one can be used to offload some work from the CPU.

I'm sorry I don't know the specifics of what I'm trying to get at, but I guess with some video decoding and even some encoding I've read some video cards can do the processing instead of sending it to the CPU. And if they can, is the 5670 a ton better?

Or is anything within the last couple years able to do that now. For some reason I was thinking the 9400M could do that in the macbooks.
 
.. which is why I'll go for the 21.5" with the 5670!

My Radeon 2600 has served me well for 3 years, so the 5670 will be fine for games on that sized screen.

Now how about the 4670 on the 21.5"? Is this reasonably serviceable?

This is just making me a little nervous, because I just ordered the base-model 21.5" and I want to be able to play a few games on it. I'm not a regular gamer, nor do I work with 3D graphics. My girlfriend's 2-year-old Macbook Pro with the 9400M was just great for playing through Portal, but I wonder how much more system-intensive some of the newer games are going to be. Anyone have experience with these?
 
So just about a month ago today I got the base line iMac.

I brought it in and they replaced the screen due to it being yellow. The replaced screen was worse then the original.
So they gave me an all new machine.
The new one is slightly better bit still yello bottom right corner.

Anyone know if this new machine will fix that?
Is it worth trying to swap the one I have for it?
I'm right around the 30 day mark so not sure if they will work with mr or not???

Guess I'm calling AppleCare today.

There seems to be a lot of people getting those yellow screens; is it something to do with a bad batch of LCD's or is it how Apple is using them - something to do with the location of components behind the LCD and heat causing problems? it seems that it is an on going issue that has gone over a couple of generation of products rather than just one being affected.

Here is your list and price from what I get in a local store in Hong Kong. I take out 2 items, you don't need a heatpipe cooler because the CPU comes with a fan. You don't need assembly because it is free. All the amount below is converted form Hong Kong dollar to Candian dollar thru Yahoo.

You don't need to be a shopping ninja neither in order to get the price below. Price are almost the same for most of the shops here. Most of the items can get in the same shop except for the monitor.

Intel Core i7 870 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.93GHZ Hyperthreading 8MB Cache Retail Box: $306
OCZ Gold 8GB DDR3 2X4GB DDR3-1333 PC3-10666 CL 9-9-9-20 1.65V Dual Channel Memory Kit: $272
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Dual Proc Hard Drive OEM: $82
Powercolor Radeon HD 5750 700MHZ 1GB 4.6GHZ GDDR5 VGA DVI HDMI DIRECTX11 PCI-E Video Card: $119
Samsung SH-S223C 22X DVD Writer SATA Black OEM: $30
Logitech K340 Wireless Keyboard with Mini USB Unifying Receiver: $49
Logitech Wireless Mouse M505 Black: $44
OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W ATX 20/24PIN SLI Ready Modular Cables 135mm Fan Active PFC Power Supply: $90
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64BIT DVD OEM: $95
Gigabyte P55A-UD4P ATX LGA1156 P55 DDR3 2PCI-E RAID GBLAN CrossFireX SLI USB3.0 SATA3 Motherboard: $185
Antec NSK4482B ATX Mini Tower Case Black 3X5.25 2X3.5EXT 3X3.5INT Front USB Audio with 380W PSU: $87
#Noctua NH-U12P SE2 LGA775/1156/1366 AM2/AM3 I7/I5/PHENOM Heatpipe Cooler W/ 2XNH-P12 120MM Fans: $79.99
#NCIX Assembly: $50.00

+ DELL ULTRASHARP U2711 27-INCH MONITOR: 698.00 (order online Dell store Hong Kong)
TOTAL: $2057

Comparatively spec'd iMac (i7, 8GB, 1TB): $2,539.00

This is $500 CAD discount right here. With $500, you can upgrade the video card to a HD 5970 already. Or you can use it to buy a Intel 160G SSD. And FYI, you can do mail order from some of the HK computer shops.

I want to emphasize once again, if anyone want to build a gaming machine, it will NOT be an iMAC.

Reference:
http://www.price.com.hk/product.php?p=114032
http://www.price.com.hk/product.php?p=114034
http://www.price.com.hk/product.php?p=114222
http://www1.ap.dell.com/hk/zh/business/Monitors/ct.aspx?refid=monitors&s=bsd&cs=hkbsd1&~tab=2
http://www.jumbo-computer.com/pricelist.asp

Does it come with Mac OS X? if not then in all due respects I couldn't give a crap. I purchase a Mac for Mac OS X thus making any comparison stupid indeed. Until I see an OS that delivers to me an experience comparable to Mac OS X I'm simply not interested in what you have to offer.
 
Apple's iMac performance page @ http://www.apple.com/imac/performance.html states:

"Now all iMac models come standard with Intel Core processors built on a new architecture. Based on Intel’s 32-nanometer process technology, these processors set new benchmarks for iMac performance."

and the tech spaces page @ http://www.apple.com/imac/specs.html says:

"2.93GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 processor with 8MB level 3 cache; supports Hyper-Threading and Turbo Boost"

Which actual Intel CPU is inside that is 2.93 base speed and is on the 32 nm process?

http://www.intel.com/consumer/produc...rei7-specs.htm

If it's an i7-870 (hyperthread, Turbo to 3.6 GHz, 2 channels, 16GB, 1333 support, 95W TDP), then it's a 45nm chip, unless Intel has re-tooled the same chip as a 32nm part? Or Apple has some bad data on the site there?

Intel has really made knowing which CPU is which a real PITA in the last few years, and of course, since Apple sometimes gets 'new and unusual gear', it's even trickier. Any input is appreciated!


According to this link, the Core i7 is indeed not 32 nm, but 45 nm.

http://www.barefeats.com/imac10.html
also links to here: http://ark.intel.com/Compare.aspx?ids=46473,48505,48504,48496,48499,
 
Seriously, I think some of you people could argue until the end of eternity, what is the point?

If you believe you can build a PC for so much cheaper..JUST &*§!ing DO IT! If you think the iMac is better overall value..BUY ONE! Who cares. What is the obsession with trying to convert people over to your own beliefs all the time?

Coming to Macrumors is always such a negative experience..although I do find it useful at times like these because I am in the market for a new machine.

..and if Steve Jobs hates Apple fanboys, I really wouldn't blame him at all.

Amen to that. Like it, buy it. Don't like it, don't buy it. Different people have different priorities.
 
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