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Apple Releases New iMacs with Upgraded ATI Radeon HD Graphics Cards

cawesjmu said:
Amen to that. Like it, buy it. Don't like it, don't buy it. Different people have different priorities.
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I think everyone needs to understand that bringing up the comparison doesn't mean that certain people hate or don't want a Mac Pro or Mac or certain piece of technology.

Can't we just talk about the price differences? I am still going to grab that quad core Mac Pro (8 core if the wife lets me) and attach two 27" ACDs to it. But that doesn't mean that I don't respect, understand, and acknowledge that I can get the same specs cheaper somewhere else, or get a better spec'd 27" monitor from Dell.

There used to be a time when the Mac community would just talk about these things in an objective manner, now, you have to love Apple without question or you're a troll.
 
Digital Skunk said:
I think everyone needs to understand that bringing up the comparison doesn't mean that certain people hate or don't want a Mac Pro or Mac or certain piece of technology.

Can't we just talk about the price differences? I am still going to grab that quad core Mac Pro (8 core if the wife lets me) and attach two 27" ACDs to it. But that doesn't mean that I don't respect, understand, and acknowledge that I can get the same specs cheaper somewhere else, or get a better spec'd 27" monitor from Dell.

There used to be a time when the Mac community would just talk about these things in an objective manner, now, you have to love Apple without question or you're a troll.
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Yeah, and that's what I'd like to see again, instead of, "you're a fool to buy outdated hardware." (which is not what you said, but others have) If you're just into hardware, that's fine, but just because one person is, doesn't mean another has to be. And the comparisons aren't usually apt. It's like saying you should buy oranges instead of apples because oranges roll better. Well, that's fine, but I like the taste of apples better, so the shape doesn't matter. Different priorities.
 
No eSATA? No upgrade for me! 1 year - no come back.

Comon' Apple, I know you've got the message. Is adding an eSATA port so taxing a proposition? I was literally ready to upgrade my 6-month old iMac today if this one had eSATA.

Of course, by the next revision, we expect the 10 Gbs fiber optic Light Peak connection to be all the rage. Apple, will you leave THAT off the iMac, too? (Even though you helped develop it...)
 
sdugoten said:
Here is your list and price from what I get in a local store in Hong Kong. I take out 2 items, you don't need a heatpipe cooler because the CPU comes with a fan. You don't need assembly because it is free. All the amount below is converted form Hong Kong dollar to Candian dollar thru Yahoo.

You don't need to be a shopping ninja neither in order to get the price below. Price are almost the same for most of the shops here. Most of the items can get in the same shop except for the monitor.


Intel Core i7 870 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.93GHZ Hyperthreading 8MB Cache Retail Box: $306
OCZ Gold 8GB DDR3 2X4GB DDR3-1333 PC3-10666 CL 9-9-9-20 1.65V Dual Channel Memory Kit: $272
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Dual Proc Hard Drive OEM: $82
Powercolor Radeon HD 5750 700MHZ 1GB 4.6GHZ GDDR5 VGA DVI HDMI DIRECTX11 PCI-E Video Card: $119
Samsung SH-S223C 22X DVD Writer SATA Black OEM: $30
Logitech K340 Wireless Keyboard with Mini USB Unifying Receiver: $49
Logitech Wireless Mouse M505 Black: $44
OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W ATX 20/24PIN SLI Ready Modular Cables 135mm Fan Active PFC Power Supply: $90
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64BIT DVD OEM: $95
Gigabyte P55A-UD4P ATX LGA1156 P55 DDR3 2PCI-E RAID GBLAN CrossFireX SLI USB3.0 SATA3 Motherboard: $185
Antec NSK4482B ATX Mini Tower Case Black 3X5.25 2X3.5EXT 3X3.5INT Front USB Audio with 380W PSU: $87
#Noctua NH-U12P SE2 LGA775/1156/1366 AM2/AM3 I7/I5/PHENOM Heatpipe Cooler W/ 2XNH-P12 120MM Fans: $79.99
#NCIX Assembly: $50.00
+ DELL ULTRASHARP U2711 27-INCH MONITOR: 698.00 (order online Dell store Hong Kong)
TOTAL: $2057

Comparatively spec'd iMac (i7, 8GB, 1TB): $2,539.00

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Does it all fit into an machined aluminium case less than an inch thick? Or do I have to hit everything with a hammer and pour in the fragments?
 
my fear ...

I'm afraid of ordering the configuration I have set up ($3500) and then come October, "hey look! USB 3!" What do you think?
 
Yes....

Bass Ackwards said:
Curious question, and sorry if this has already been brought up. But on the old iMacs the quad core was 2.8ghz i7; I see on the new quad core the low end one is 2.8ghz i5.

Is there a difference between the 2009 2.8ghz Core i7 and the 2010 2.8ghz Core i5?
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Yes. The Corei7 is a quadcore chip with 2 threads per core for a total of 8. Properly written multithreaded applications on the system functions like an 8-core.

The i5 is a quadcore chip only.
 
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seanmcpherson said:
Apple's iMac performance page @ http://www.apple.com/imac/performance.html states:

"Now all iMac models come standard with Intel Core processors built on a new architecture. Based on Intel’s 32-nanometer process technology, these processors set new benchmarks for iMac performance."

and the tech spaces page @ http://www.apple.com/imac/specs.html says:

"2.93GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 processor with 8MB level 3 cache; supports Hyper-Threading and Turbo Boost"

Which actual Intel CPU is inside that is 2.93 base speed and is on the 32 nm process?

http://www.intel.com/consumer/products/processors/corei7-specs.htm

If it's an i7-870 (hyperthread, Turbo to 3.6 GHz, 2 channels, 16GB, 1333 support, 95W TDP), then it's a 45nm chip, unless Intel has re-tooled the same chip as a 32nm part? Or Apple has some bad data on the site there?

Intel has really made knowing which CPU is which a real PITA in the last few years, and of course, since Apple sometimes gets 'new and unusual gear', it's even trickier. Any input is appreciated!
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The Corei3 and i5's are 32nm, the corei7 are socket 1156 45 nanometer fabbing.
 
Digital Skunk said:
Sure, give me some time since I am at work.

Just a quick search for the GFX card on Newegg.com gave me this which is missing some minor comparable components. It's $999 US $1031 CA plus the $900 (from your quote) Dell 27" which brings it to about $1950 or so. That's about $600 less than $2489.52.

It'll take me a good hour or so to find the right parts.

For the record, I am all for buying a machine over putting it together, just that the gap between the Mac and the PC is a bit wider than a few hundred dollars. I've found it to be about $500 -- $600 consistently.

Also, it's very hard to compare an upgradeable tower with an all-in-one like the iMac.
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There's also the fact that you could get the corei7 iMac 27" from the refurb'ed part of the apple store for $1850.

Spiffey said:
A very minor speed-bump. The processor is more energy efficient, but the graphics card is virtually the same, but more energy efficient.

The graphics card is only very slightly better. Top performance of your 4850 is 1 Teraflop - the performance of the 5750 is 1.008 Teraflop.

Dead right! It should have had at least a 5850 if they want it taken seriously as a games machine. Particularly as all the iMacs use the Mobility Radeon cards, and not the desktop version.



It's very slightly faster. By 0.008 Teraflops. See here.


Wrong. The 5750 has 720 stream processors. Coupled with a smaller process (40 nm vs 55nm) it translates into the very slight speed increase seen above.
Though of course all these numbers are the desktop version, and not the Mobility version which the iMacs use.
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Thanks for the specs. My understanding of the 4850 is that the mobility version of this card is it's the same as the "full" version but is underclocked so it doesn't melt into slag in the iMac case.

The other concern I had with the new macs was the slightly faster memory - like someone said a few percentage points on a benchmark but likely not noticed by the average Joe. Still...
 
Tango Charlie said:
Originally Posted by Tango Charlie
Alright, I'll bite, since it's pertinent to my short-term purchasing decisions.

Here are the PC specs I've priced out at my neighbourhood retailer (NCIX.com) - whose service I've enjoyed in the past and who have a B&M store I can drive to if I need to exchange/replace anything.

A PC shopping list, including wireless peripherals, a not-too-shabby looking case, and a mobo with Firewire:

Intel Core i7 870 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.93GHZ Hyperthreading 8MB Cache Retail Box: $369.99
OCZ Gold 8GB DDR3 2X4GB DDR3-1333 PC3-10666 CL 9-9-9-20 1.65V Dual Channel Memory Kit: $272.67
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Dual Proc Hard Drive OEM: $96.79
Powercolor Radeon HD 5750 700MHZ 1GB 4.6GHZ GDDR5 VGA DVI HDMI DIRECTX11 PCI-E Video Card: $144.99
Samsung SH-S223C 22X DVD Writer SATA Black OEM: $29.89
Logitech K340 Wireless Keyboard with Mini USB Unifying Receiver: $60.46
Logitech Wireless Mouse M505 Black: $69.99
OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W ATX 20/24PIN SLI Ready Modular Cables 135mm Fan Active PFC Power Supply: $89.99
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64BIT DVD OEM: $119.78
Gigabyte P55A-UD4P ATX LGA1156 P55 DDR3 2PCI-E RAID GBLAN CrossFireX SLI USB3.0 SATA3 Motherboard: $189.99
Antec NSK4482B ATX Mini Tower Case Black 3X5.25 2X3.5EXT 3X3.5INT Front USB Audio with 380W PSU: $85.99
Noctua NH-U12P SE2 LGA775/1156/1366 AM2/AM3 I7/I5/PHENOM Heatpipe Cooler W/ 2XNH-P12 120MM Fans: $79.99
NCIX Assembly: $50.00
Subtotal: $1,610.52
+ DELL ULTRASHARP U2711 27-INCH MONITOR: 879.00
TOTAL: $2489.52

But let's say you're a shopping ninja, and you can slash that price by 150 bucks, plus you can assemble it yourself, thus saving another 50 bucks.
A Windows PC (Adjusted Genius Price): $2,289.52

Comparatively spec'd iMac (i7, 8GB, 1TB): $2,539.00

**All prices are in Canadian dollars (because I am Canadian, and I'm doing this for me.)**


So roughly a $300 savings to build your own Windows machine. Considering the aesthetics, the Mac's additional resolution, the PC's additional expandability, and the user experience difference between OSX and Windows, I'd say that $300 is right on the borderline, and I'd have a tough time choosing.

Now, personally the hassle of assembling it myself VS. the iMac's non-existent expandability cancel each other out. The aesthetics, meanwhile, are VERY important (as is the desktop footprint). And if I bought a PC, I'd spend more on the graphics card. So considering that I don't want to assemble the thing, I'm not a ninja shopper, and I want a better GPU, I'm looking at saving maybe $17.00 by buying a PC.

It's up to each individual how important things like aesthetics and price are, but it seems to me that if I were laying out ~$2000 for a PC, a hundred bucks either way wouldn't be a big deal.

And if you can show me a price list that beats my hastily-assembled list, I'd love to see it (Canadian, if possible - even better? NCIX-based).
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sdugoten said:
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Originally Posted by sdugoten
Here is your list and price from what I get in a local store in Hong Kong. I take out 2 items, you don't need a heatpipe cooler because the CPU comes with a fan. You don't need assembly because it is free. All the amount below is converted form Hong Kong dollar to Candian dollar thru Yahoo.

You don't need to be a shopping ninja neither in order to get the price below. Price are almost the same for most of the shops here. Most of the items can get in the same shop except for the monitor.


Intel Core i7 870 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.93GHZ Hyperthreading 8MB Cache Retail Box: $306
OCZ Gold 8GB DDR3 2X4GB DDR3-1333 PC3-10666 CL 9-9-9-20 1.65V Dual Channel Memory Kit: $272
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Dual Proc Hard Drive OEM: $82
Powercolor Radeon HD 5750 700MHZ 1GB 4.6GHZ GDDR5 VGA DVI HDMI DIRECTX11 PCI-E Video Card: $119
Samsung SH-S223C 22X DVD Writer SATA Black OEM: $30
Logitech K340 Wireless Keyboard with Mini USB Unifying Receiver: $49
Logitech Wireless Mouse M505 Black: $44
OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W ATX 20/24PIN SLI Ready Modular Cables 135mm Fan Active PFC Power Supply: $90
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64BIT DVD OEM: $95
Gigabyte P55A-UD4P ATX LGA1156 P55 DDR3 2PCI-E RAID GBLAN CrossFireX SLI USB3.0 SATA3 Motherboard: $185
Antec NSK4482B ATX Mini Tower Case Black 3X5.25 2X3.5EXT 3X3.5INT Front USB Audio with 380W PSU: $87
#Noctua NH-U12P SE2 LGA775/1156/1366 AM2/AM3 I7/I5/PHENOM Heatpipe Cooler W/ 2XNH-P12 120MM Fans: $79.99
#NCIX Assembly: $50.00
+ DELL ULTRASHARP U2711 27-INCH MONITOR: 698.00 (order online Dell store Hong Kong)
TOTAL: $2057

Comparatively spec'd iMac (i7, 8GB, 1TB): $2,539.00

This is $500 CAD discount right here. With $500, you can upgrade the video card to a HD 5970 already. Or you can use it to buy a Intel 160G SSD. And FYI, you can do mail order from some of the HK computer shops.

I want to emphasize once again, if anyone want to build a gaming machine, it will NOT be an iMAC.

Reference:
http://www.price.com.hk/product.php?p=114032
http://www.price.com.hk/product.php?p=114034
http://www.price.com.hk/product.php?p=114222
http://www1.ap.dell.com/hk/zh/busine...=hkbsd1&~tab=2
http://www.jumbo-computer.com/pricelist.asp
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AlexisV said:
Does it all fit into an machined aluminium case less than an inch thick? Or do I have to hit everything with a hammer and pour in the fragments?
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You guys should read the original quote why I come up with a spec like this in the first place. The guy was asking specifically for a PC Tower spec which is comparable with the iMac. Dude, can't you guys read the freaking quote?

No, the original quote wasn't asking for a nice looking all in one PC. The guy was asking if anyone can come up with a spec which is the same while offer much lower price. Well, here you go. As I said many time, if you like a all-in-one, good looking and stylish computer + Mac OS for light gaming and surfing, get the iMac. As a matter of fact, I own a iMac 27 just because I want a Mac OS.

However, a LOT of people here are specifically asking for a killer gaming machine. For those who is into heavy gaming, their first priority is performance , the 2nd priority is performance, and the next thing is cool looking. They want every option swtiched on and all eye candy with max resolution while maintaining FAST framrates. (It's ok you are not a hardcore gamer, I am just saying this is what these type gamers are looking for.) And the reason I come up with a spec like this plus the price tag just to prove that if anyone got a clue, they should build a PC for heavy gaming purpose. For the same amount of money invested for 3D eye candy next generation heavy gaming, a PC with a way better video card + better CPU + 27" IPS monitor will still be cheaper than an iMac. iMac is NOT meant for heavy gaming.
 
Or looking at it from another angle..

If you look at it this way:

you can play games with the iMac but if you're the type of hardcore gamer that runs your games at 100% full resolution with every option switched on you and maxed out will not receive the results you would on a dedicated full-on gamer pc (I've built them myself).

But, your mileage may vary.

Nearly everyone I've polled says running PC games on Windows under boot camp on an iMac will give you a 20% performance boost (faster framerates) on the card you do have so if you do have an iMac and you want to give it a shot, you will experience somewhat better performance on the PC side.

The Mac side isn't completely horrible, just realize maxing everything out on the lower end machines isn't going to be super smooth.

But hardcore gamers aren't necessarily going to be looking at the Mac side anyway so...
 
For all the folks spec'ing out comparible PCs, don't forget to factor in iLife software.

Of course it depends on how much you use/like iLife. I use iPhoto, iMovie and iDVD a ton. There is also GarageBand.

For iPhoto I guess you can swap in Picasa. For iMovie/iDVD on the Windows side would probably be another $50 - $150 for something like Sony Vegas or Pinnacle Studio.

Again, YMMV.
 
Ok!

sigamy said:
For all the folks spec'ing out comparible PCs, don't forget to factor in iLife software.

Of course it depends on how much you use/like iLife. I use iPhoto, iMovie and iDVD a ton. There is also GarageBand.

For iPhoto I guess you can swap in Picasa. For iMovie/iDVD on the Windows side would probably be another $50 - $150 for something like Sony Vegas or Pinnacle Studio.

Again, YMMV.
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I'm game. For the PC side I'd use Reaper in place of Garageband since it's more along the lines of Logic Audio but being that it's still in development you might have some issues here and there but it mostly works well.

Picasa for iPhoto. Yep.

For iMovie/iDVD - I suppose you could use Adobe Premiere but you mentioned Pinnacle Studio - a friend got that with a video interface card for his PC and seems to work well.
 
Ubuntu said:
I guess its form over function once again. Of course I'm no iMac designer/engineer but I imagine there simply isn't the space to house such a graphics card. Also, love your country. Starting to see more and more belgians here - always nice. :)
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Thanks man :) You should also love our beers and chocolate ;)
 
sdugoten said:
Here is your list and price from what I get in a local store in Hong Kong. I take out 2 items, you don't need a heatpipe cooler because the CPU comes with a fan. You don't need assembly because it is free. All the amount below is converted form Hong Kong dollar to Candian dollar thru Yahoo.

You don't need to be a shopping ninja neither in order to get the price below. Price are almost the same for most of the shops here. Most of the items can get in the same shop except for the monitor.


Intel Core i7 870 Quad Core Processor Lynnfield LGA1156 2.93GHZ Hyperthreading 8MB Cache Retail Box: $306
OCZ Gold 8GB DDR3 2X4GB DDR3-1333 PC3-10666 CL 9-9-9-20 1.65V Dual Channel Memory Kit: $272
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Dual Proc Hard Drive OEM: $82
Powercolor Radeon HD 5750 700MHZ 1GB 4.6GHZ GDDR5 VGA DVI HDMI DIRECTX11 PCI-E Video Card: $119
Samsung SH-S223C 22X DVD Writer SATA Black OEM: $30
Logitech K340 Wireless Keyboard with Mini USB Unifying Receiver: $49
Logitech Wireless Mouse M505 Black: $44
OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W ATX 20/24PIN SLI Ready Modular Cables 135mm Fan Active PFC Power Supply: $90
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Edition 64BIT DVD OEM: $95
Gigabyte P55A-UD4P ATX LGA1156 P55 DDR3 2PCI-E RAID GBLAN CrossFireX SLI USB3.0 SATA3 Motherboard: $185
Antec NSK4482B ATX Mini Tower Case Black 3X5.25 2X3.5EXT 3X3.5INT Front USB Audio with 380W PSU: $87
#Noctua NH-U12P SE2 LGA775/1156/1366 AM2/AM3 I7/I5/PHENOM Heatpipe Cooler W/ 2XNH-P12 120MM Fans: $79.99
#NCIX Assembly: $50.00
+ DELL ULTRASHARP U2711 27-INCH MONITOR: 698.00 (order online Dell store Hong Kong)
TOTAL: $2057

Comparatively spec'd iMac (i7, 8GB, 1TB): $2,539.00

This is $500 CAD discount right here. With $500, you can upgrade the video card to a HD 5970 already. Or you can use it to buy a Intel 160G SSD. And FYI, you can do mail order from some of the HK computer shops.

I want to emphasize once again, if anyone want to build a gaming machine, it will NOT be an iMAC.



Reference:
http://www.price.com.hk/product.php?p=114032
http://www.price.com.hk/product.php?p=114034
http://www.price.com.hk/product.php?p=114222
http://www1.ap.dell.com/hk/zh/business/Monitors/ct.aspx?refid=monitors&s=bsd&cs=hkbsd1&~tab=2
http://www.jumbo-computer.com/pricelist.asp
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Got the Dell XPS 7100 in my signature : 6 core 2.8 GHz AMD CPU, Radeon HD 5870 (not mobility !) GPU, 6 GB RAM 1333 MHz, 1.5 TB HD for $1000. Plus a full HD matte monitor from IIyama 300$, that's way better than higher iMac for games for half the price !
Apple is going to far with its pricing for mid class people like me :)
 
Ok look everyone. There are 2 issues here and I see many people not making the distinction between them.

1. Does the iMac meet your needs? (such as, gaming, video editing, graphic design, or whatever you may want to use it for)

2. Is the iMac overpriced (meaning, are the components you get reasonably priced?)

These two questions are completely different from one another. Just because it's not the ideal gaming rig, doesn't mean the components you get are outrageously priced.

I said this before and I'll say it again, the 27" iMac is not a $1700-$2200 computer. It is a $700-$1200 computer that comes with a $1000 monitor. That is not the ideal gaming rig, as a gamer would rather spend more on the system and less on the screen. But that doesn't mean it's way overpriced for what you get.
 
Here's one: if I get the new 27" iMac, and get one of these new 27" externals, if I work a Boot Camp setup with Windows 7, and play games, the game will only use one of the monitors. Will there be a "penalty" for having the other screen connected even though it is most likely blacked out? Is this 5750 really that "terrible"? Other than the newest, most intense games, would it run 1-2 year old games decently?

I am not a "hardcore" gamer by any means, I simply do not have time. What I am trying to decide between is the 27" iMac with new 27" screen....or a new Mac Pro, just Quad Core 2.9Ghz, with dual 27" screen setup. I am getting the screens for real estate more than anything. I don't do insane processing or graphics work, merely the occasional photo/old tape-to-DVD conversion and ripping from purchased DVDs to iPod movies. A 27" iMac with external 27" vs. Mac Pro with dual 27", similar HD config, RAM, etc, appears to set me back almost $2k more. Would there be any point to this at all, or would it simply be $2k wasted? I am wondering, because if this 5750 is not all "that" bad, that saved 2k is worth another machine in 4-5 years, I think.

Just want some input on the matter before I buy.
 
Spiffey said:
A very minor speed-bump. The processor is more energy efficient, but the graphics card is virtually the same, but more energy efficient.

The graphics card is only very slightly better. Top performance of your 4850 is 1 Teraflop - the performance of the 5750 is 1.008 Teraflop.

Dead right! It should have had at least a 5850 if they want it taken seriously as a games machine. Particularly as all the iMacs use the Mobility Radeon cards, and not the desktop version.



It's very slightly faster. By 0.008 Teraflops. See here.


Wrong. The 5750 has 720 stream processors. Coupled with a smaller process (40 nm vs 55nm) it translates into the very slight speed increase seen above.
Though of course all these numbers are the desktop version, and not the Mobility version which the iMacs use.
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It's a 5850 mobility, labeled as a a 5750... It's not a 5750 mobility.
 
i5 vs i7

Hello I have waited a while for the imac update. Now I can't decide between the quad core i5 or the quad core i7. Is the quad core i7 worth the extra $180? I will be using final cut pro. Thanks!
 
After much asking-around, I was finally able to find a reasonably comprehensive answer to my question about the HD 4670 (Mobility?).

http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-4670.13881.0.html


Apparently it will run any of the games I'm interested in perfectly well, from obscene frame-rates on the older titles to perfectly playable frame-rates at medium detail settings on newer games.

This is going to be a photographer's computer first, and a gaming machine fourth. With that beautiful 21.5" monitor, wireless input devices and compact package, it seems like a deal (for my purposes) at $1200.00
 
lanceputnam said:
Hello I have waited a while for the imac update. Now I can't decide between the quad core i5 or the quad core i7. Is the quad core i7 worth the extra $180? I will be using final cut pro. Thanks!
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I really think there are two sensible iMacs in this new update: The base-model 21.5" (for a solid, affordable machine) and the top-end 27" (if you're spending the extra cash on that gorgeous screen, you might as well buy the i7 and make it last as long as possible.) Most of the in-between machines are a compromise, and put you in the midst of those tough little incremental upgrades. Where do you stop?

The other machine that really piqued my interest is the refurbished 27" i5 for $1699. You lose the 5750 graphics card in favor of an older 4850, but you save $300 for an otherwise nearly identical computer.

I just bought the i3 21.5", but if I had the extra $1,000 I would have gotten the 27" i7.
 
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