A 15" MBP is not huge and heave unless you are really weak. You say you don't want a MBP but in the same regard you turn around and say you want a MBP in the same post. That is why the MBP is there. It has those features. And if you wanted those feature and if Apple gave them to you, your computer would be heavy and you would still complain.
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A 15" MBP is not huge and heave unless you are really weak. You say you don't want a MBP but in the same regard you turn around and say you want a MBP in the same post. That is why the MBP is there. It has those features. And if you wanted those feature and if Apple gave them to you, your computer would be heavy and you would still complain.
And your point being? It was during a transition to a new platform you can't seriously be using this as an argument.
I wonder if they're doing 2.16GHz updates as a way of clearing their stock of unused CPUs in time for June's massive update of iMacs and MBPs?
Does make the BlackBook pretty good deal though (except for the GPU).
I do hope for a replacement for the PowerBook 12".
Does make the BlackBook pretty good deal though (except for the GPU).
I do hope for a replacement for the PowerBook 12".
Yeah, the black premium is really lame. I love the black, but how can someone justify paying $200 extra for essentially the same computer (or $150 more once you spec the white MB exactly the same).
This is something I never understood from Apple. I really am curious what their reasoning would be. Is the black casing actually more expensive?
My mom wanted a RED PT Cruiser. It costed $400 more then the "standard colors"
That's the one thing that confused me as well. My manager wants to buy it, but shes like, it's more expensive than the white one...why??
I basically told her because of the hard drive (kept it simple) being bigger. That and I guess that it was more stylish.
Still don't see a reason for it being more expensive.
2gb Ram $175???
Not that I'm in the market--I'm happy with my Macbook which I upgraded to 2GB myself. But the problem is people who upgrade their own comps from 1GB to 2GB won't have anyone to sell the two spare 512MB sticks to since the base model already comes with 2 512's. What a waste of RAM.
(I'm rather bitter that the forum keeps changing my Title from 2GB to 2gb and from RAM to Ram. Entirely different meaning.)
Not that I'm in the market--I'm happy with my Macbook which I upgraded to 2GB myself. But the problem is people who upgrade their own comps from 1GB to 2GB won't have anyone to sell the two spare 512MB sticks to since the base model already comes with 2 512's. What a waste of RAM.
(I'm rather bitter that the forum keeps changing my Title from 2GB to 2gb and from RAM to Ram. Entirely different meaning.)
Have you seen the difference between a BlackBook and MBP15"? Very little indeed. In fact piling a MBP15, BlackBook and PowerBook 12" on top of each other shows just how small the PowerBook is (was) and how big the BlackBook is.
Try it.
I'll agree with the first paragraph. But I just don't like the paternalistic approach people are taking (and I don't think Apple is thinking this way, as they claim), when they say that people shouldn't want or hope for a mid-range laptop that can do X, Y, or Z, when it's clearly not too far out of the realm of possibility -- though it was probably too expensive for this time around.
People wanted a different mix of price and features than Apple decided on for now. String 'em up!
Please point me to a 5 pound notebook with better specs that retails for $600!!
PLEASE!!!
Santa Rosa was a perfect opportunity for MacBooks to be upgraded with integrated video capability that isn't *****. This "upgrade" is a total bomb.
it's a combo drive in the australian store when you spec it out, so i'd say it's an error
People are forgetting the biggest leverage point for apple : osx
apple is the only place to get it
Apparently you haven't read the rest of this thread. Please do so next time before you post and make a fool out of yourself.
People who complain about how the MacBook Pro is such a huge computer crack me up...
MacBook specs:
1.08 inches height
12.78 inches wide
8.92 inches deep
5.1 lbs
MacBook Pro specs:
1.0 inches height (thinner than the MacBook)
14.1 inches wide (1.5 inches wider than the MacBook)
9.6 inches deep (@.5 inches deeper than the MacBook)
5.6 lbs (.5 lbs heavier than the MacBook)
okay..
Cars can be different than computers, though. Paint jobs on cars DO cost more, and it makes sense that if your mom wanted a special color, or a color that wasn't made regularly, it should cost more. But Apple only offers two colors for the MB - neither of which aren't "standard".
Just seems like a bloated fee. I could maybe understand a $50 difference, or $100 with the upgraded HD, but $200 is ridiculous. That's a 15% increase over the white.
So they're just going to ignore the rest of the market? And that's okay because they say it is? That's ridiculous. Calling something "consumer" doesn't defend it having sub-par specs at a given price point.
You are dense.
The MB and theTV serve completely different purposes. Of COURSE the
Wow, another apologist name caller! What a shock.
Our point stands. If a $300 computer can include a low end GPU, then clearly a $1500 computer can also include (at least) that same low-end GPU.
Hi Wolfpup. Cute post you made there.
Now if this update had come AFTER a MBP update I could understand the frustration. But seeing that the MBP has not been updated yet, there is no reason to complain. If you want a good laptop, spend the money. It's as simple as that. Right now with the current update here, the MB is the equivalent of the current low end MBP.
The Macbook Pro has nothing whatsoever to do with our (completely valid) complaints. We're comparing it to what else is on the market. It makes no difference whether this was introduced before or after the MBP update. It's a minuscule update either way.
Being willing to buy a mid-range notebook does not make him/her a "cheap bastard". Wanting at least the new Intel graphics is not a strange expectation.
The majority of users out there could probably get by with a G3 iMac, so what does that have to do with anything?
Many, many users, including BigPrince, already have. Several of them in fact.
No, we're complaining about a COMPLETELY REASONABLE, COMPLETELY LOGICAL expectation. Intel just released an updated chipset that includes better video. The Macbook uses integrated video, which is it's weakest link. Therefore it's quite logical to expect any Macbook update to use the new chipset, improving it's weakest spec.
As has been repeatedly pointed out over the last few months, it's the Macbook that benefits more from the new chipset, not the Macbook Pro-entirely because of it's use of integrated graphics.
No. Not one single person posting here expected the Macbook to be turned into an "uber-portable". They just expected modest, reasonable upgrades based on the hardware that's no on the market.
The kool-aid drinkers are the ones who keep pretending that someone expected the Macbook to suddenly use all top of the line specs.
No it can't. To be Direct X 7 compliant you have to have hardware T&L. You can't just support some features and claim you're DX 7 compatible (let alone DX 9). GMA950 is a Direct X 6 part, which means it's eclipsed by hardware released in late '99.
$1100-1500 is not entry level. Entry level laptops are <$800 right now.
I could be remembering wrong, but I think Apple started using Core 1 around the same time it came out, in which case that argument is valid.
Exactly. I saw a nice, shiny new laptop a few weeks back. I think it was a Compaq. Nonetheless, it was very nice looking machine and was about $600.
Yeah..... um..... it had a Vista Index Rating of 2.0. So, the point of the $600 is what again, when the OS tells you it will run like crap on it? And, of course, the specs were NOT better than the MacBook, except for maybe screen size.
No one else offers cheap Santa Rosa either
PAY ATTENTION, ALL WHINERS!
I would like to point out one simple fact that will hopefully tone down the pointless negativity most of you are expressing: there are NO brand-name Santa Rosa laptops under $1200 yet.
Take a look: http://www.google.com/products?q=centrino+OR+rosa+x3100
You will find that SRs are currently in the $1600-2500 range. There is exactly one model listed at a lower price, and it is out of stock at every single store that offers it. I'm guessing it's a bait & switch/loss leader item.
So don't complain that Apple is falling behind or being jerks. MacBook feature/price ratio is right in line with all the other brand name laptops.
In a better world, Apple would have unleashed this MB update 2 weeks ago (before SR came out) to preempt you guys, with SR MBP launching now. Oh well, a couple weeks difference isn't a deal breaker for me.
PAY ATTENTION, ALL WHINERS!
I would like to point out one simple fact that will hopefully tone down the pointless negativity most of you are expressing: there are NO brand-name Santa Rosa laptops under $1200 yet.
Take a look: http://www.google.com/products?q=centrino+OR+rosa+x3100
You will find that SRs are currently in the $1600-2500 range. There is exactly one model listed at a lower price, and it is out of stock at every single store that offers it. I'm guessing it's a bait & switch/loss leader item.
So don't complain that Apple is falling behind or being jerks. MacBook feature/price ratio is right in line with all the other brand name laptops.
In a better world, Apple would have unleashed this MB update 2 weeks ago (before SR came out) to preempt you guys, with SR MBP launching now. Oh well, a couple weeks difference isn't a deal breaker for me.