I can't be certain when Apple got their test hardware, but I know that Linux vendors got their equipment a couple of months ago and that people inside Intel only had it shortly before then. The Windows driver team may have had some prior access, but they've also got some insanely large number of people working on it.
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I can't be certain when Apple got their test hardware, but I know that Linux vendors got their equipment a couple of months ago and that people inside Intel only had it shortly before then. The Windows driver team may have had some prior access, but they've also got some insanely large number of people working on it.
um, my imac actually sped up when i put tiger on it.
it's faster now than it ever was under os 9, which is what it shipped with.
yes, 256mb of ram is nothing.
but that shows you how efficiently these computers run.
i've kept this mac out of necessity, but when i'm finished with it, my brother is going to be using it to write his thesis.
most people with macs that i know of either sell them or give them away when they're done with them, because they just don't die. (well, they do eventually)
my new imac (assuming they keep the 24" in the lineup when they update them) will be my combined computer/television for the next 4 or 5 years.
obscelescence comes on a mac far, far slower than a pc. which is why a mac's specifications are not nearly the whole story.
btw, every benchmark i've ever seen shows os x as outperfoming windows on the same hardware, and has for years. a lot of benchmarks that i'm aware of show mac os x outperforming windows when windows is on better hardware!
certainly, until the cs2/intel debacle (which has been fixed with cs3 anyhow), all the adobe apps perfomed waay better on the mac. that's why about 80% of the design industry use them.
well why don't they spend a lot more for the low end MBP and get the same size harddrive, same amount of RAM, slower superdrive, and the rights to vent when the MBPs are updated next week with (most likely) similar "negligible" updates.
Comparing the MB and MBP shows you how good of a lappy the MB is (or how crappy the MBP is). If someone is really that much against the update and was waiting, then go buy a "cheaper" Dell with SR and uber sweet graphics, then update it to have (as close as possible) to the MB and start the crying.
But the real question is do such long posts attract more attention or does it just make people scroll past it? Wait what were you saying? I only read the first line.
Low expectations = Satisfaction???
So the moral of the story is, if you expected something decent, you're a fool?
If Apple sticks with that philosophy, you WILL be sorry.
So the moral of the story is, if you expected something decent, you're a fool?
If Apple sticks with that philosophy, you WILL be sorry.
I'm all for better value for consumers but who is this group of everyone that needs and/or upgrades to DVD burners?
I work in corporate IT with developers--web dev, Oracle guys, etc. When I look at these people plus people I know who are not technical I know that 90% of them have never--never--burned a DVD in their life.
You are thinking about your requirements and the requirements of people here on MacRumors. Apple is trying to sell machines to the 99.99% of the population that is not reading these boards.
There are trolls on here today who multi quote several posts for no reason other than to waste screen space.
If you consider the fact that I have insulted every reasonable person on this thread, there aren't many then. Cause according to your thought process, everyone who does not agree with you is not reasonable. In that case there are many more people who are NOT reasonable than are.
Yet you throw personal attacks at this. This is about MB and not about me. I hope you are mature enough to realize that.
I wonder, if those who buy one now, will get a free upgrade to Leopard like in the old days... Or are we no longer hippies?
I wonder, if those who buy one now, will get a free upgrade to Leopard like in the old days... Or are we no longer hippies?
sadly, we're past our hippy days and wear black turtlenecks and jeans.
the last free update was from x.1 to x.2
x.2 to x.3 was paid, as was x.3 to x.4
and, i assume, therefore, will be x.4 to x.5
I don't have any direct information but I was assuming Apple and Intel's relationship is close enough that they would never allow something like drivers to hold back some sort of product update. Apple does a lot of research and development of their own so I would think they would be a little closer to Intel's development team then Linux vendors.
Wolfpup thank you for your well thought out and calm posting. I happen to agree with a number of your points.
I think the main disappointment from this upgrade is peoples expectations of what it was going to be. I for one expected SR and the improved onboard graphics. However i did expect that to come AFTER a MBP upgrade in June. I think if this upgrade is a small temporary one till last until maybe August or October then fair enough, If its to last another 6 months......well that takes the ****.
MRTEKKID. I have to say i have been pretty disgusted by some of your posts and the way you have spoken to some members of this forum! Whilst i respect your point of view there are better and more civilised ways of getting your point across.
Even the cheapest core 2 duo notebooks from dell or others are large, ugly, and disgusting looking. So for ~$1000 you are getting a nice laptop.
wow, not a great update
i guess the rumors were right, (at appleinsider.com), this update really IS a yawner. even Apple knew this and so they had to spin it on it's start page: "SAME lovable macbook, new lovable speed."
while i agree that it's our own expectations that is causing our disappointment, it irritates me that all the Apple apologists are doing so much defense. let's let people whine and complain. isn't that what forums are for?
these things are selling like hotcakes still to the "general public" (read: not us forum-participating nerds). so why do anything if it's still selling?
i guess the rumors were right, (at appleinsider.com), this update really IS a yawner. even Apple knew this and so they had to spin it on it's start page: "SAME lovable macbook, new lovable speed."
while i agree that it's our own expectations that is causing our disappointment, it irritates me that all the Apple apologists are doing so much defense. let's let people whine and complain. isn't that what forums are for?
these things are selling like hotcakes still to the "general public" (read: not us forum-participating nerds). so why do anything if it's still selling?
I realize that Apple is not the only computer maker. But you are lumping apple's products in with other computer manufacturers when, in fact, apple offers a unique product because they offer a unique operating system. If people are just looking for a notebook computer, and have no care of what kind of OS they are going to be running-- then yes, they are probably going to buy a different computer. No one is arguing that point.
If you can find me a lower priced laptop computer that runs OS X, I will jump on board with your argument that $1100 is a "mid-level" computer. Until then, to me at least, that argument doesn't wash. Today, there are exactly TWO product lines that run OS X. TWO. The MacBook and the MacBook Pro.
Yes, Apple competes in a free market economy, so they must always balance the price of their products based upon the law of supply and demand. ALL of the prices Apple has placed on their products are there because that is what their market will bear. If Apple couldn't sell the 8-core Pro Macs for $4000 -- then they wouldn't be $4000.
The bottom line is - if people are so bound and determined to have the very latest processor, and the very best graphics chipset -- then maybe an apple product isn't for them, or at least not an Apple notebook computer. Personally, the operating system is worth every penny of the price differential.
And I'm still waiting for whoever it was to find me a 5lbs notebook computer with comparable specs for $600.
damn, if the 1099 one had a superdrive it would be a good deal.
they could've gone with less memory but the dvd burner
I don't really see your point at all, you NEED 1GB RAM to run more than about 2-3 applications at once on the MB.
I don't see the big deal about a DVD Burner nowdays, it's not easy to burn a DVD to watch on a TV using one without buying expensive Dual Layer disks or having a lot of technical know-how, also they are too small for sensible data backup especially when you can get a 300GB USB Hard Drive for $100 you might as well use that.
If you want to burn your girlfriend a CD, you can do that with the base model, so I don't see why it's a big deal.
5.1 lbs is no progress at all
At 5.1 pounds, this is exactly the same as before.
FYI, my five year old G4 ti-book weighs 5.4 and it has a 15" screen.
Apple didn't have to go "ultra" portable to make this machine MORE portable, but instead they settled for a "why bother" speed bump.
Maybe the MBP upgrade will have something decent, but it sure seems like the overload created by Leopard and the iPhone have pretty much driven everything else at Infinity Loop down to absolute zero.
At 5.1 pounds, this is exactly the same as before.
FYI, my five year old G4 ti-book weighs 5.4 and it has a 15" screen.
Apple didn't have to go "ultra" portable to make this machine MORE portable, but instead they settled for a "why bother" speed bump.
Maybe the MBP upgrade will have something decent, but it sure seems like the overload created by Leopard and the iPhone have pretty much driven everything else at Infinity Loop down to absolute zero.
You are irrational and are now attributing your irrationality to others. A 160Mhz speed bump is not a meaningful upgrade, particularly when far better upgrades are now available. Anyone who denies that is not rational.
No, you did. You called me a fool. You've attacked multiple people on here for being reasonable. I merely reversed your attack. I expected you might see how unreasonable you are being, but unfortunately I now realize you're a troll who is either incapable of understanding reason, or enjoys flaming message boards.
You don't need to be some kind of "authority" to expect that an update would include new hardware that's now available...you know, like an actual upgrade. Moving from 2 to 2.16GHz would be fine as a minor mid-cycle upgrade, but not for a major upgrade. The CPU in the Macbook has never been an issue (and in fact I expected the CPU speeds to stay the same, with possibly a FSB bump, but maybe not even that). It's the GPU that desperately needs an upgrade, and was expected.
And how can you assume they don't agree with my mindset? I'd like faster Macbooks as much as anyone. Either way, my comment led to a lovely troll macro image, so I don't regret making it as it resulted in many laughs.[/QUOTE]
have you compared similar specs on Dells?
If not, then stop the non-sense.
There is always better technology, but the MacBooks are not the old and crappy technology as you are tyrying to imply. It would be better to post based on facts. If your iBook is better/faster than the new MacBooks, regardless of the graphic card, good for you, but you are obviously wrong.
As for Santa Rosa, same thing happended a while ago with the Core 2 Duos. A bunch of manufactures announced them before Apple, yet they delivered them the same month, if not wihtin a week or two.
WWDC is less than a month away and surely they will announde the new MBPs over there.
If not, then stop the non-sense.
There is always better technology, but the MacBooks are not the old and crappy technology as you are tyrying to imply. It would be better to post based on facts. If your iBook is better/faster than the new MacBooks, regardless of the graphic card, good for you, but you are obviously wrong.
As for Santa Rosa, same thing happended a while ago with the Core 2 Duos. A bunch of manufactures announced them before Apple, yet they delivered them the same month, if not wihtin a week or two.
WWDC is less than a month away and surely they will announde the new MBPs over there.
X3000 and X3100 have drivers certified for running the Aero skin on Vista. GMA950 didn't. That's the only significant difference in this respect.