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Wolfpup thank you for your well thought out and calm posting. I happen to agree with a number of your points.

I think the main disappointment from this upgrade is peoples expectations of what it was going to be. I for one expected SR and the improved onboard graphics. However i did expect that to come AFTER a MBP upgrade in June. I think if this upgrade is a small temporary one till last until maybe August or October then fair enough, If its to last another 6 months......well that takes the ****.

MRTEKKID. I have to say i have been pretty disgusted by some of your posts and the way you have spoken to some members of this forum! Whilst i respect your point of view there are better and more civilised ways of getting your point across.

Agree on all counts. I thought the MB upgrade would come late summer, and who knows, maybe it still will -- I just hope this update isn't a long delaying action that precludes Santa Rosa for another 9+ months.
 
I don't really see your point at all, you NEED 1GB RAM to run more than about 2-3 applications at once, on the MB.

I don't see the big deal about a DVD Burner nowdays, it's not easy to burn a DVD to watch on a TV using one without buying expensive Dual Layer disks or having a lot of technical know-how, also they are too small for sensible data backup especially when you can get a 300GB USB Hard Drive for $100 you might as well use that.

If you want to burn your girlfriend a CD, you can do that with the base model, so I don't see why it's a big deal.

i'm sorry to shoot you down here, really, i am.

but one of my favourite in store demonstrations on the (old) entry level macbook is to open the applications folder, select all (cmd + a) and open (cmd + o). it takes a few minutes, but if you give it time, it will open _every_ application on the computer at once, with only 512mb of ram.

the best bit: without crashing.
yes, it slows down while they all open, but once they're open, it works fine. slower than if they weren't all open at once, but fast enough to be able to work normally to do most things.

now, most people don't actually need 20+ applications open at once, so 2 - 3 apps using 1gb of ram is more than enough.

let's push it a little and suggest that maybe even 6 is not stretching the ram budget? up to say, 10, reasonably?

i don't even remember the last time i needed 6 apps open at once, let alone 10.
 
Please Give Me A Updated Mbp

hey guys im not that upset bout this but I really wanted an updated MBP because apple is replacing my macbook in the next couple days due to RSS which they can't seem to fix anfter replacing my logic board and my heat sink. So i was going to turn this is and pay the difference for the MBP so i dont kow if i should no wait or just get the current MBP
anyone got any suggestions should i wait or no?
 
Still waiting

Waiting for better screens. I find the MacBook screen to be rather dim. I'm hoping this new screen technology rumored to be coming will improve this. Other than that, now that the MacBooks have the same processors as the MacBook Pros, I expect the Pros to be getting the new Intel chips soon, probably at the developers conference.
 
Do I care about SR? Not a bit as it only adds additional costs with no noticeable benefit for me.

I can believe that there would be no benefit to you, but what are these additional costs you mention? Santa Rosa doesn't cost any more than the previous Intel chipset, does it?

If a $300 piece of hardware [:apple:TV] can have a low-end GPU, then a $1500 piece of hardware should at LEAST have that same low-end GPU.

Keep in mind that :apple:TV's reason for existence is to connect to HDTVs. (Alas, 720p ones instead of 1080i/p.)
 
If your iBook is better/faster than the new MacBooks, regardless of the graphic card, good for you, but you are obviously wrong.

Did you even read my post? I said the graphics card in my iBook was better than the current Macbook's integrated graphics. No **** the current Macbook processors are way faster, but the graphics card isn't.
 
um, my imac actually sped up when i put tiger on it.
it's faster now than it ever was under os 9, which is what it shipped with.

yes, 256mb of ram is nothing.
but that shows you how efficiently these computers run.

i've kept this mac out of necessity, but when i'm finished with it, my brother is going to be using it to write his thesis.

most people with macs that i know of either sell them or give them away when they're done with them, because they just don't die. (well, they do eventually)

my new imac (assuming they keep the 24" in the lineup when they update them) will be my combined computer/television for the next 4 or 5 years.

obscelescence comes on a mac far, far slower than a pc. which is why a mac's specifications are not nearly the whole story.

btw, every benchmark i've ever seen shows os x as outperfoming windows on the same hardware, and has for years. a lot of benchmarks that i'm aware of show mac os x outperforming windows when windows is on better hardware!

certainly, until the cs2/intel debacle (which has been fixed with cs3 anyhow), all the adobe apps perfomed waay better on the mac. that's why about 80% of the design industry use them.

We have different views on "efficient". OSX is too painful to use on 512mb of ram. It would be completely unusable with 256mb. You are just used to that and have accepted it somehow so you don't know the difference. For me, iphoto is completely unusable on the Mac Mini. It's just way too damn slow.
And I am an enthusiast. I game on my PC. I want cutting edge. I want power. I build my own systems and I keep them up to date.

And it is true that on the Intel Macs that XP does indeed outperform OSX across the board. There was quite a bit of discussion about it. I'm surprised you don't remember that.
 
I don't see the big deal about a DVD Burner nowdays, it's not easy to burn a DVD to watch on a TV using one without buying expensive Dual Layer disks or having a lot of technical know-how

Then maybe Apple should remove iDVD and iMovie from the iLife suite. :rolleyes:
 
No dual 8800 ultras in the macbook, come on apple get with the program.











People expect too much and then get disapointed and then they make a big deal out of a little update. People like to focus on the problems not on the improvments. Just being able to run OSX well instead of windows is reason enough to buy it.
 
Honestly

I don't understand people who play games on laptops anymore, if you want to play CoH, Prey, FEAR, BFME2 you buy a desktop, my powerbook is for work, my PC desktop is for pleasure, honestly I don't these games will be running like race horses on a MB.

OMG I can't play the newest games on my $1099 laptop, oh maybe I should just build a desktop for $1099 to play games on....:confused:
 
Wolfpup thank you for your well thought out and calm posting. I happen to agree with a number of your points.

Thanks. Honestly this bizaro-world reaction to this update has me really down on Apple-owners. Rationally I know it's just a couple of jerks who spout off on message boards, but still, it's hard for me not to take it the wrong way :( (And harder still for the people in this thread that are thinking of buying their first Apple!)

I too hope this is just a temporary update. If it's only supposed to last a few months, then I'm okay with it.

I *really* hope the Macbook Pros fit my needs when they come out. Hope it's really next week :)
 
I'll repeat this one time, then I'm out of here: NO, Santa Rosa is NOT competing with MacBook. Brand-name SR laptops are currently priced above $1500. All the cheaper laptops you see out there are using chipsets equal to the one in MacBook, or more likely even older and weaker.

Dude, you don't get what I'm saying. When you have a line like the MB that's only updated every 6-8 months, the INITIAL comparison is only part of the issue. Sure, at the moment the MB is a bit cheaper than Santa Rosa PCs, but in 3 months when all the back-to-school sales are going from the PC companies (who pump out updates more frequently), the MB will be outclassed by all the major PCs. That's what I'm saying. Apple needs to compensate for their size by coming out with well-timed updates, and they missed the mark here. The only reason to come out with this update now is so that the MBP update will wow everyone in June. But many people can't afford the minimum $1000 price bump to MBP, especially for a chipset/board that is available for MB prices in a PC.
Apple won't make the major gains in the market that they could have this summer because of a weak MB--unless they surprise us all and come out with another update in mid-August
 
I am pretty annoyed by the non SR update. I've always owned the highest end powerbooks because I needed all the power I could get. When I heard that there was a possible SR update I got really excited because I love the form factor of the MB and I love the fact that I could get it in black. I didn't want to get a MBP because of the size, I need something more portable that I can hook up my 20' lcd when I'm home. Now I'm stuck because I just sold my powerbook and need to purchase a machine soon. I didn't really want to have to make the choice between the size I want and the performance I need. Either way I'll have something new on my desk whether it be a blackbook or a MBP that I know I won't like the size on.
 
Maybe we can hope for a lower priced MBP? I do think they need a machine to fill the gap between the $1300 MB and the $2000 MBP (not including the BlackBook).

It used to be that Apple priced their 12" Powerbooks below their larger models. That was unusual in that most manufacturors put a premium on small size. Hopefully they will return to this with a small MBP that includes a more powerful graphics card.
 
Im pleased with the results I was about to get an 80 g but now thanks to the upgrade im getting a 120g with a good processor. Although i must say i was sad when there were no color choice
 
I don't understand people who play games on laptops anymore, if you want to play CoH, Prey, FEAR, BFME2 you buy a desktop, my powerbook is for work, my PC desktop is for pleasure, honestly I don't these games will be running like race horses on a MB.

OMG I can't play the newest games on my $1099 laptop, oh maybe I should just build a desktop for $1099 to play games on....:confused:

Because there are other $1099 laptops and cheaper that you can play those games on. And it's nice to have the portability.
 
We have different views on "efficient". OSX is too painful to use on 512mb of ram. It would be completely unusable with 256mb. You are just used to that and have accepted it somehow so you don't know the difference. For me, iphoto is completely unusable on the Mac Mini. It's just way too damn slow.
And I am an enthusiast. I game on my PC. I want cutting edge. I want power. I build my own systems and I keep them up to date.

And it is true that on the Intel Macs that XP does indeed outperform OSX across the board. There was quite a bit of discussion about it. I'm surprised you don't remember that.

i'm biting my lip as i write this. i really feel for you.

the design studio i was working in 2005 let us choose whether we worked on macs or pcs, and about 6-7 out of 10 in my team used macs. we (individually) got far more done day to day than those using pcs, so at the end of 05, they simply dropped all the pcs from the studio and replaced them with macs.

because, (wait for it) they. are. more. efficient.

i'm exposed to much much newer macs than the one i'm using right now every day at work. if this one that i'm using for my home use was as sluggish as you're making it out to be, i wouldn't have the patience for it either.

this one is not nearly as fast as the one i use at work, and i never claimed that it was. but it's still useable, and useful, and wasn't made obselete the second that a newer model came out.
 
I don't understand people who play games on laptops anymore, if you want to play CoH, Prey, FEAR, BFME2 you buy a desktop, my powerbook is for work, my PC desktop is for pleasure, honestly I don't these games will be running like race horses on a MB.

OMG I can't play the newest games on my $1099 laptop, oh maybe I should just build a desktop for $1099 to play games on....:confused:

Some people can't afford 2 computers, friend. If you can afford to have a dedicated system for games, then that's sweet, but I can't. I need a laptop for portability but also want to play games...hence, I'll probably buy a PC this summer instead of a MB...sad.
 
I guess they figure that with a 13" screen you won't be buying a MB for games or Aperture. Those are the only things that might want a more powerful graphic chip.

Uhh... You ever heard of a little application suite called FINAL CUT STUDIO??? The ONLY reason I don't buy a MacBook is because it can NOT run Final Cut Studio. That one little reason forces me to spend almost $2,000.00 more.
 
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