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Apple Releases New MacBooks

And if they had given you about 5% more CPU-power and 30-40% more GPU-power (those are what Santa Rosa would have given you, more or less), you would have been ecstatic. And now that they didn't, the updates suck?
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If they had given me SR I would have been able to buy one. With what they've given me I can't. Therefore no Mac for me, no matter how badly I'd like one.

So for me, absolutely these updates suck. They mean no MB for me. And since that's the only Mac I'm interested in it means I'm stuck with a crappy wintel. Probably a Sony.

You're comparing Apples to Oranges. The Macbook IS competitive.
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With the SR laptops?

So go and buy one of those other laptops then. You make it sound like you are in a position to demand SR in MacBooks, and when Apple doesn't obey your commands, you whine.
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I expect Apple to remain competitive. When all other manufacturers are announcing Santa Rosa laptops I expect something similar from Apple if they want me to buy their computers.

Your attitude stinks. You act as if Apple doesn't want me as a customer. If Apple doesn't give me what I want I buy elsewhere. Which is bad for Apple since it's a lost customer. You're acting as if I'm lucky to get anything at all from Apple, as if I owe them something. I owe them nothing and neither does any consumer.

And the brand-spanking new SR-CPU's would have been maybe 5-10% faster. Is that 5-10% the difference between a crappy update and great update? You propably wouldn't even notice the speed-difference between the two!
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I play WoW, so with the integrated graphics I would most certainly have seen a difference. And it's why I can't buy a MB.

Then buy one of those laptops then and quit your whining. Apple is under no obligation to satisfy you.
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Apple under no obligation to satisfy a potential customer? Like I said, what a stinking attitude.
 
This page

http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/irlstore

was up briefly (it's down again), and I got this grab from it (attached).

It suggests a possible pricedrop. Notice that the main image says from €1049, while, below, the old price is listed as €1199. That may just be a response to Euro-Dollar movements, but it might show up in the UK store as well.
 

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I think it's important to point something out.

Santa Rosa is not THAT interesting as a platform update.

People in particular seem to be focusing on the continued use of GMA950 instead of GMAX3100, but why exactly is this a deal-breaker?

What specifically do you think GMAX3100 is going to do for you that GMA950 graphics don't already?

I get the impression people think there is some massive performance increase with Santa Rosa or GMAX3100 specifically, but so far reviews have shown it to not be all that big a deal.

-Zadillo
 
At the risk at being flamed ..... again :rolleyes: I really don't think comparing Macs to Win machines is fair. You're talking two different architectures of which each OS is built. Have you considered the hardware requirements for Vista and compared it to OS X? Sure you could get a beefed up Win machine, but for Vista alone you need it. Macs don't need to be so chunky in order to run efficiently and better than the current line of Win machines.

Quit your complaining folks and rest in the knowledge that whatever Mac you own is infinitely better than the majority of Win machines out there.
 
Very dull update indeed. Still a premium for black and no DVD burner standard. Why Apple doesn't do this and why it charges so much more than a comparable Windows laptop I don't know. Probably want to upgrade the MBP first so there's a good difference in features, but why not wait to upgrade the MB until after that?
 
Manic Mouse said:
I'm not trolling. I've been waiting since November for this update to buy my first Mac. I was ready to order today.

While all other manufacturers are announcing their brand spanking new SR laptops Apple give us this and you call it a "solid update".

I think everyone can agree that this update stinks. Slightly faster, last gen CPUs. Brilliant.

When all comparable laptops are shipping with SR and DVD burners as standard we'll see how "good" this update is, eh?
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No, I think you're trolling. If not intentionally, then you're just a fool.

I disagree that this update stinks. Do you know why? Because I'm a calm, rational person and I do not need to pay a premium to get the fastest thing available today. I understand that the fastest model today will not be the fastest model tomorrow, and I don't need the most power available just to use the computer as I'd like to use it. If you do need the absolute fastest, then you are resigning yourself to a life of frustration.

If you're upset that the low-end laptop line is not the fastest possible system, then you're just looking for an excuse to be irate.
 
gpapava said:
Well thats not an excuse for outofdate hardware, is it?
We pay money to buy these computers u know...
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lol... Santa Rosa is just announced and because it's not in this update, the current processors are "out of date" hardware. A possible 10% increase in speed. OOOoOoooooo, god, gotta get it now now NOW!

We pay money to buy these computers u know

Apparently you're not, because you just said you're not buying one...
 
synp said:
Why? What do you think Santa Rosa would give us that it's worth sacrificing 200 MHz?

Compare this to Lenovo's N100 with 14.1" screen. They have a larger screen, the same Intel graphics 950, a slower 1.66 GHz processor, 512MB RAM, 80GB hard disk, and a 677 MHz FSB - not santa rosa. Oh, and it also includes a combo drive. All that for $929 or $829 after rebate.

You can get better - you can get the Santa Rosa at 1.8 GHz on a 15.4" for just $1100 dollars. This also includes an Intel x3100 graphics accelerator, and includes a DVD burner, but doesn't include 802.11n. It's a matter of taste whether this is better, but it's probably a better value than the MacBook, until you consider that it doesn't run Mac OS X.

Point is, the PC industry is not "moving on". They're offering a whole range of options, some as new as the Santa Rosa, some as old as the celeron-M. Apple has a narrower range, and they're choosing the technology for you.
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You can't use logic on some people. Not trying to insult Mouse, but he is just made right now. He has been waiting 6 months for an update and he didn't get what he wanted. Like I said, it's like not having something for a long time just because you think it will be better if you wait, then once you get it, it sucks and you are pissed off for waiting so long.

He really needs to just get the MacBook Pro (mid range model) and be happy. Or wait another month for the MBP to be updated with all the bells and whistles so you can use MS Word and surf the web on Santa Rosa and LED displays
 
Would you rather have a prehistoric g5 macbook??

This is a good update.
The only thing i can see people should be whining about is lack of superdrive in low end. It cost like 35 more for a superdrive, it should be standard by now. oh well.
 
store is not just "down"... it's like completely offline... never seen that before:

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It's funny because everyone got so carried away with the other post. Everyone got caught up in the dream of something huge and were let down at what was released.

Don't blame apple, and certianly don't call them "idots" because you hyped your own darn self up!


Seesh!
 
Manic Mouse said:
Not really. The laptop I'm typing this on (a 3.2Ghz P4, 1Gb RAM and 9800) is fine. I want to switch to Macs. All I wanted was a competitive MB (ie: one that has the current integrated graphics and chipset).
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If you want to switch, then switch. What exactly does SR offer that you need so badly that you are willing to wait for months? faster GPU? for what, games? It would still be too slow for any serious gaming.

Seriously, do you want some cheese with your whine?
 
Kaptajn Haddock said:
No, they wont. The image file on top showing the macbook family shows the new MBs with the old MBPs - I hardly think they will upgrade that image twice. I think the MBP will se a much larger (LED) revision and therefore Steve would want to show it on stage at WWDC.
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Does the MacBook look any different right now (after update)

Don't state an image with models of the MBP does tell you they won't put a new processor in it. Updates proberly will be on the inside, not on the looks...
 
I'm confused on why people thought there would be major updates without a showy press conference?

Typically that's how they :apple: do things...
 
synp said:
Why? What do you think Santa Rosa would give us that it's worth sacrificing 200 MHz?
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I'll go for this - yes, I really do. The weakest part of the Macbook is its graphics, I believe everyone will agree on that. Whilst the increase in base CPU/memory/HD is all good, it isn't anything that really improves the Macbook as a system as these could often be bought as options anyway.

If this has happened a few weeks ago, I think everyone would have been cool. Now that point is Santa Rosa is out so the Macbook is behind in technology.

Can I tell the difference between a 1.86GHz Core 2 Duo & a 2GHz Core 2 Duo? Unlikely, but I suspect I could easily push the graphics card to notice a difference.
 
Leoff said:
Have fun with all the viruses, crashes, and Wintel crap. Better "specs" doesn't make a better computer.
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Good answer....well thought out. I was thinking more along the lines of Kubuntu with KDE 4.0 when it becomes available.

"Specs" do make a better computer. "Specs" is the reason why my AMD 64 desktop runs rings around my P2 400Mhz with MMX. It's also the reason why I won't buy yesterday's integrated graphics when with Santa Rosa there was a new, better option available. You won't see me spending $200 for a DVD burner, and you especially won't see me spending a $1000 premium for a graphics solution that has more than 64MB shared memory.
 
I'm not mad at Apple at all. I'm mad at the people who are whining about their updates. Your guys' problem has nothing to do with the macbooks. It's that you are just never happy. They could have made them with 4GB or ram and 5,000,000 Ghz processors (lol) and you would still find something to whine about. What you guys need to realize is that while they may not have the newest graphics card or Santa Rosa (which isn't really that big of a deal if you ask me), you aren't going to find another laptop that is gonna be nearly as fast for under 2K. If you think that other computers are so much better then just get out of here and buy it. You'll be sorry anyways when you see your buddy and he has a rev A macbook core duo lol. It'll still probably be faster than the PC laptop. Sorry about the rant, now if you'll excuse me I gotta put some money on the debit card and buy me a shiney new macbook.

Oh yeah... another thought... most people who buy a macbook aren't gonna need a high end graphics card. A lot of you don't either. The people who need them are usually the ones who buy MBP's. I mean cummon... if you're so smart then why aren't you working at Apple? </rant>
 
And you guys do realise that this update will be the MB for the next 6+ months? Not using SR may not seem too bad now, but in 3-4 months when EVERY other laptop will be shipping with it then it may be a big deal.
 
I personally think they should have kept the specs the same and dropped the prices. This is meant to be the entry level model for student and home use, why should anyone expect it to have cutting edge processor specs? I think a sub-$1000 pricetag would sell even better than a spec bump and I was hoping that going above a grand was just a temporary measure when they were rushing out the intel boxes. I suspect the RAM is the most important upgrade future-wise. Every apple having a gig by the time Leopard is out is probably the goal.

Noobs expecting entry level laptops to be a gaming machines -- you're the best, keep it up!

Solid upgrade for sure but just not anything that tempts me to upgrade my G4 Powerbook yet (come on 8" or 10" MBP tablet!!!)
 
It needed to be a Santa Rosa update just for the Intel GMA x3100... But, it wasnt.

So Whatever.
 
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