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mischief said:
Did no one else find it prophetic that the Apple Logo went permanently blue about the same time Apple started co-designing it's HW with IBM?


Oh yeah....you're onto something there....
 
afields said:
Well, I can understand everybody's frustrations. Coming from my perspective though, I will buy this revision. Going from a 800 mhz ibook g4 to a powerbook would be a HUGE boost for me. :cool:

I agree. I need something for editing video and doing photoshop work. This is just what I need. A sure step up from what I'm using now. Now the question is between 15" and 17"... I would like to have digital audio...
 
mischief said:
Did no one else find it prophetic that the Apple Logo went permanently blue about the same time Apple started co-designing it's HW with IBM?

I just figured it was an emotional issue, a mood swing, and that Apple would feel more upbeat at the end of this period.
 
ordered a 12" combo PB, nothing extra, in a moment of madness. my mums paying for it till my next student loan comes in so haha! ima happy :) 10 days max and it will be in my hands... my first mac :) i really am on cloud nine. i know its not a major upgrade, but i need a new computer *just this morning my wintel machine took about 30 minutes to boot up with some funky scary HD noises* the time is right

just earlier today i was saying to myself there is no WAY i am buying a mac until 64bit processors are as standard. oh well!

and tommorow my DS arrives.

happy days until i find out im poor XD
 
pubwvj said:
See: http://gnufoo.org/ucontrol

It does a whole lot more and frankly the trackpad scrolling is better than what Apple has implemented. More natural. And it is free.

You might be right, but have you even used Apple's technology yet?

I looked at uControl and at Apple's site and my first impression is that Apple's is the better option for, for me anyway. It would appear to me that you simply put two finger-tips to the trackpad on the new Apple and it knows that you're scrolling not moving the cursor. And it would seem to work vertically, horizontilly and even seems to show rotary movement a la iPod. I can't see how it's more natural to yse one finger in conjunction with a keystroke.?? And surely Apple's new tech is as free to a PowerBook customer as uControl would've been to the person buying thier PB yesterday?
 
Well the expected update is here. Like the new track pad and 100 gig disk...
HDD gravity feature is welcome.
Brighter backlight sounds cool.
BT extreme :) sounds interesting but can't see that being useful anytime soon.
Ditto for dual graphics card.
Like the price drop (as well as free upgrades)...Apple's way of saying sorry, no G5 this year - ok maybe for Christmas...
 
Why are you here?

SiliconAddict said:
And so it begins. This is the same BS people were giving to make up for the piss poor performance on the G4 PowerMac pre-G5. I guess what goes around comes around. It was a stupid argument then it's a stupid argument now.
Get one thing straight. A computer is made up of two components. Hardware and software. A deficiency in either and you have a subpar experience.

The PC world has cutting edge laptop hardware that blows away the PowerBook but lacks on the software side. The Mac has solid software but lacks drastically on the hardware side of things. Until Apple fixes this deficiency you can make all the dang excuses you want. It’s not going to change fact that the PowerBook still sucks.

And your car comparison is flawed. It would be like comparing a 20 year old BMW vs. one that just came off the showroom floor. You can put a wing, racing stripes, new headlights, and bling bling hubcaps on the thing its not going to make it better then the latest and greatest. Nor will what Apple has done to the PowerBook make it compare more favorably to the PC world's laptop line. The entire damn architecture of the PowerBook line of laptops needs a serious revamp. From the shell of the thing, on down to its core chipset, to its CPU. Basically Apple needs to do to the PowerBook line what they did to the PowerMac. A massive complete overhaul.

Apple better have something GOOD planned for WWDC or they are screwed even further for sales. This 'bump is going to help a little but watching the reactions of people on the board there do seem to be more then a few that are saying screw this. Whether or not this is a majority only time and next earning reports will tell.

You obviously hate Apple hardware. Which i won't debate with you except to say... I have used Dell, Toshiba, Compaq and IBM laptops in the PC world. Only IBM comes close to Apple hardware quality. This is jsut a fact. No opinion here. Others on this thread have pointed to the studies. By the way... Apple will take your $3200 when they see fit it seems.
 
drlunanerd said:
Thank you. Someone speaks some sense. The G4 is a great chip and has done us sterling service over the years. It's sufficiently fast for a lot of people, me included, having modded a Powermac G4 Gig E over the years to keep pace. HOWEVER - if Apple is asking me to drop that much dough on a new Powerbook it'd better spank some ass, and these just don't. They are a joke at the price, really. Come on people, the iMac G5 is a case in point, there's just no justification for the price premium anymore with the Powerbooks, and as someone suggested earlier Apple are marketing themselves some time before the G5s are released. For me personally, I'm not taking the bait. For work, there's no alternative and I'm going to have to buy at least one of the new PBs soon. Good job it ain't my hard-earned paying for it, but it still annoys me all the same.


No offense, but I don't think Apple was targeting you two specifically. They are just trying to keep their supply line fresh until they solve the g5 heat issue. Unless, you are quite content to live with a 3-inch think pbook. Please, if you have any idea how they can solve their issue, offer them help.
 
Well... it wasn't the updated that people were hoping for. Just a speedbump.

However I'm okay with it, seeing as I sold my PB 12" Combo 1.33GHZ for more than it will cost me for the new PB 12" Combo 1.5GHZ model.

Okay, I've had to endure the time and hassle organising the sale and waiting for the new model, but I've gained a faster computer and future-proofed myself for another six months.

In five months, I'll do the same, and fingers crossed... get the G5 ;-)

Floop
 
Caiwyn said:
As I'd said all along, I didn't really expect a G5. But there were some interesting clues pointing to one, even if they weren't substantial. What I DID expect was for Apple to use the 7448. That would've still constituted a "speed bump," but one with double the L2 cache, a faster system bus, and lower power draw, which would've made for better system performance, less heat, and lower battery life overall. But I guess it wasn't meant to be. Oh, well.
Yeah, but the interesting thing is what might be inferred from the choice of processor, i.e. that the 7448 is *not* ready for production. Which in turn makes the time-line for the dual-core G4 of sampling H2 look more realistic. And if the dual-core chip is only sampling in H2 then production quantities aren't likely to be available until 2006. I guess Freescale are maybe having issues with their 90nm process just like everyone else. Sooo, the next PB will *not* contain a dual-core G4 or even the single-core version. Therefore the next PB *will* contain a G5, QED.
 
fanbrain said:
I agree. I need something for editing video and doing photoshop work. This is just what I need. A sure step up from what I'm using now. Now the question is between 15" and 17"... I would like to have digital audio...

If you want to edit video and do Photoshop you should get a dual g5 [waiting for the "but I must edit while on a plane" argument :) ]
 
They bumped it from 1.5 to 1.67, this is 9%. But, it's just numbers, I think the benchmark comparisons will show less, probably 4 or 5% increase in speed. Probably I'm still going to wait, although a price drop is nice, heck in Japan compared to my old Ti it's 1,000 dollars cheaper than in 2001.

Brian
 
Well, I sit here still stuck on my 550MHz TiBook. I've been looking at the iMac G5, but I really want something more portable. I told myself I wouldn't make a decision until I saw this round of updates... and, of course, they're underwhelming. Too many little problems with the internals, and Apple keeps trying to make you forget that by adding in little features that, while nice, don't change the fact that their PowerBooks are less and less "power" every day. (And no, I'm not JUST talking the G4.)

If Apple has put a decent screen on their laptops for once, I might break down and get one even though I think it'll be a waste of my money. But if the screens are even still sub-par, I might have to just suffer on my pokey TiBook for longer.

And before anybody flames me, I LOVE Apple, love Mac OSX, I just wish their hardware was more worth the money you pay for it. I don't have a problem with Apple's prices, like many do, I just have a problem with the quality of the hardware you get for that price.
 
SiliconAddict said:
... A computer is made up of two components. Hardware and software. A deficiency in either and you have a subpar experience.

The PC world has cutting edge laptop hardware that blows away the PowerBook but lacks on the software side. The Mac has solid software but lacks drastically on the hardware side of things. Until Apple fixes this deficiency you can make all the dang excuses you want. It’s not going to change fact that the PowerBook still sucks...

So if both MS Windows PC laptops and Apple's Laptops have a deficiency on either their hardware or software components that would make them about equal or 'on par' to use your own terminology.

This would leave the final decision between the two to a judgement call of how they 'feel' in use and I'd say that as it's the software that connects me to the hardware that's what's most important.
 
cgc said:
If you want to edit video and do Photoshop you should get a dual g5 [waiting for the "but I must edit while on a plane" argument :) ]

Some of us don't have the room for a Dual G5, and/or need a computer that can easily be moved/taken with you at times.
 
Photorun said:
Does anyone here actually READ about new technologies or are is everyone here into NOT THINKING!!!

G5 Powerbooks... NOT HAPPENING!!!

G4 DUAL CORE 64 BIT PROBABLY NEXT!!!

I'm sick of you people, seriously, you don't get it, G5 isn't the be-all end-all, get a clue or stop posting!!! Read up or shut up! Good god!

UGH!!!
Hey, congratulations, a whole post without mentioning peecee lusers, the therapy must be working.

BTW, the G4 dual-core you are shouting about is *not* a 64 bit chip. The only mention of 64 bit in the Register's article refers to the memory controllers.

Reading is one thing, comprehension something else entirely.
 
Updates to come

I don't think we'll see anything for powerbooks at WWDC, cuz Apple now has other problems to deal with since they made us happy..for now. At WWDC I expect to see a whole new line of iBooks, or update to be at par, and I really think we will also see the long awaited revision of the PowerMac. I will then be expecting to see our dual g4 or g5 at WWSF next year. Thats jsut my thought, it's also very realistic too.
 
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Except for the marketing hype, will the G5 outperform a G4 for most tasks in a portable? Doubtful.

Regarding a mobile G5, doesn't the heat issue lies mainly with the memory controller, not the processor? At some point the G5 will have the memory controller onboard, but that new version would debut on the desktop models first.

But seriously, I'm sure that the silent majority of recent powerbook owners are content with the hardware performance, the stability, and the software experience. Personally, I haven't restarted mine in over a month, just close the lid and open it with each use.

With each new release of OS X the performance improves noticeably, which makes the entire package more appealing going forward no matter the hardware used.
 
shidoshi said:
If Apple has put a decent screen on their laptops for once, I might break down and get one even though I think it'll be a waste of my money. But if the screens are even still sub-par, I might have to just suffer on my pokey TiBook for longer.
If by "decent" you mean "higher-res" than they are now, dream on. Apple has already stated that they will keep their screens at 100ppi for the forseeable future because that's the optimum resolution. So no stupid screens like 1920 x 1200 on a 15" laptop. Get over it.
 
Awesome, time to buy a new powerbook! do you think its worth getting the AppleCare Protection Plan (APP)? I just dont know if its going to be worth it, i cant make up my mind. Someone help...
 
seans9 said:
Awesome, time to buy a new powerbook! do you think its worth getting the AppleCare Protection Plan (APP)? I just dont know if its going to be worth it, i cant make up my mind. Someone help...

Buy the apple care before the 1 year warranty expires.
 
Bus Speed

I have a 1.5 Powerbook and a Imac G5 1.6ghz. The Imac G5 blows away my powerbook. The key is the Fsb....
 
seans9 said:
Awesome, time to buy a new powerbook! do you think its worth getting the AppleCare Protection Plan (APP)? I just dont know if its going to be worth it, i cant make up my mind. Someone help...

I'm putting my order in tonight, and I will not be buying AppleCare. The 'book already comes with a 1-year warranty, and that's plenty as far as I'm concerned. If you're rough with your hardware, though, it might be worth it. AppleCare covers more than your standard warranty from defective hardware, and it lasts 3 times longer.
 
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