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Is it true the new PowerBooks got a FSB speed update with the new 7448 chip inside? If so then the performance will be slightly faster. :D
 
plinden said:
So how is this better than the Mobility Radeon 9700? Take a look at this http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050524/vga_charts-02.html

Don't care.

The PB supports dual DVI without a dongle.

Because the connector is soldered to the board. :eek:

I meant to say that on desktop boards, you can add dual-out without buying an aftermarket video card with it's own GPU.

My fault.


I'm still waiting for an explanation of why PCI-express would be an advantage in a laptop, considering you can't actually upgrade to a different card. In a desktop, it's different.

Um, I gave you intel's speil about the bandwith differences, which certainly applies to laptops.

I don't know what else to tell ya.

So you might be waiting a LONG time for that explanation.

Especially since I'm going home for the evening. :p
 
generik said:
That is mildly misleading.

Considering that Yonah and Merom are dual core processors... I am going out on a limb here, let's just say dual core scales performance by 50%. So a 2Ghz dual PM chip then would be 1.5X faster than your present day G4 1.67 chip..

Using your claims (which is unbacked by any studies no doubt), overall system performance on that new PB will still be significantly faster.

Of coursse saying that a dual core Merom is only 50% faster than this craptastic architecture we have today known as the PPC is simply... moronic! No pun intended!


Oh god. *sighs* I'm not comparing a Powermac G5 to a Pentium M. Or even chip vs. chip. I'm comparing:

PPC application performance on a PPC PowerBook

vs.

PPC application performance via Rosetta on a dual core x86 PowerBook.

It has been noted that PPC software running on Rosetta will "theoretically" run 80% as fast as the same software running on a PPC. Hence the reason I gave that users with a ton of PPC software (Which is everyone right now.) MIGHT be interested in this release.
 
igetbanned said:
You just answered your own question buddy.

Attention to detail.

'Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900 featuring up to 128 MB shared graphics memory'

Speaking of attention to detail, eww, ick, shared memory?!?
 
Chrispy said:
Also, just because a GPU is PCI-Express does not make it faster than an AGP card...


Why in the world is AGP being phased out then?

PCI-e allows for greater bandwith.

Plain and simple.

What that means in practical terms is up to the card makers themselves.(In terms of how they implement it)

But why is Apple charging the premium price, for tech that's outdated?

That's the whole point of why AGP was even brought up.

It's being PHASED OUT.
 
0423379 said:
YAAAAAAAAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
*placing the order for a BRAND new PowerBook G4 15" superdrive with 100GB 7200RPM disk and TWO gigs of memory!!*

MADE IN HEAVEN, made in heaven by steve jobs, TO MEEEEE!!!! =) :D

Well I'm certainly glad that someone is happy! :p

I guess I'm feeling pretty okay myself. Feeling even better about my ibook purchase.
 
iQuit said:
Is it true the new PowerBooks got a FSB speed update with the new 7448 chip inside? If so then the performance will be slightly faster. :D

No. Chip seems to be 7447A by all previous accounts on this thread. I'd still like to know how the battery life increased. Bigger battery? DDR2? Some new fangled RDF?
 
artifex said:
Speaking of attention to detail, eww, ick, shared memory?!?

That's better than 64MB in the current 12" isn't it?

Oooooops, Apple skimps on the onboard RAM.

My bad. :rolleyes:

It's for the mobile space, smartguy.

If you want hardcore performance, you'd buy a desktop, and put an aftermarket card in it.

Now wouldn't you?
 
igetbanned said:
plinden said:
So how is this better than the Mobility Radeon 9700? Take a look at this http://graphics.tomshardware.com/gr..._charts-02.html

Don't care.
So you're just bitching for the sake of it?

There's plenty to complain about with just the lack of speed upgrades, but bitching about the video card is just plain nuts. The PB is one of the best GPU equipped laptops out there. Any other laptops with better are twice the weight and thickness.

If and when I get enough money together, I'll be going for an iMac 20" and 12" iBook combination. Edit: unless a good Intel PB comes out first.
 
Since I need this laptop soon and am in need of a Pro Machine the 17" will be the one I will be getting, and will have to last me a while. I really can't wait any longer. Also should I get the 7200 RPM 100GB or the 5400 RPM 120GB, I don't know if the 7200RPM HDD will actually improve performance.
 
igetbanned said:
Why in the world is AGP being phased out then?

PCI-e allows for greater bandwith.

Plain and simple.

What that means in practical terms is up to the card makers themselves.(In terms of how they implement it)

But why is Apple charging the premium price, for tech that's outdated?

That's the whole point of why AGP was even brought up.

It's being PHASED OUT.

All that bandwith means a big load of crap if the chip sucks. The X300 gets KILLED by the 9700 in benchmarks... so I guess PCI Express is not helping that card... you have to deliver the entire package for PCI Express to really deliver better performance. Unless Apple would have added an X700 it would not have made a difference...
 
starfishprime said:
Brother you rock! Thats damned awesome.... :cool:

Hmmm, Ive built many a peecee in the past... but i dunno if i trust myself in the guts of a brand-spanking-new PB. :eek: Memory on the other hand... no prob! ;)

Glad I could be of some help! :D

BTW: for the rest of you, I did my good deed for the day, don't ask, because i am done helping :rolleyes: ;)
 
plinden said:
So you're just bitching for the sake of it?

There's plenty to complain about with just the lack of speed upgrades, but bitching about the video card is just plain nuts. The PB is one of the best GPU equipped laptops out there. Any other laptops with better are twice the weight and thickness.


The guy asked out PCI-e compared to AGP, and I told him.

'improved bandwidth'

And, THE LINK IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

PEACE!
 
anyone know what 7200RPM hard drives will fit in either the 12" PB or the new 15" powerbook? Who makes them? And how much they are?
 
New 15 inchers

Do they still burn as hot?

Will the new intel powerbooks be so hot?

Right now I'm running an old Aluminum and it's really hot. Sometimes when I turn it off, I can't even turn it on. I've got to hold down 'E' 'P' 'alt/option' and 'apple' before I can even turn the thing on. It works fine afterwards.
 
Chrispy said:
you have to deliver the entire package for PCI Express to really deliver better performance.


'What that means in practical terms is up to the card makers themselves.(In terms of how they implement it)'

Did you skip that part?

The part where I said it's up to the card makers to utilize all that potential performance?

Attention to detail.
 
Just ordered a 12" iBook and will upgrade w/ an extra 1G stick, and some other cool things, i'm happy with it, and it will last me 3-4 years.. then i'll get a rev b or c 12" PB!! all works out in the end.
 
and for that matter, what kind of RAM which matches the RAM that apple installs (for cheaper?)
 
igetbanned said:
'What that means in practical terms is up to the card makers themselves.(In terms of how they implement it)'

Did you skip that part?

The part where I said it's up to the card makers to utilize all that potential performance?

Attention to detail.

Then.... I am confused... why would it matter if Apple used PCI Express or AGP if not all card manufactures use it??? I guess I just don't get why you are so upset with Apple about using AGP still. Apple made the right choice here. They saved money by not having to switch to a different graphics standard before going to Intel and they used a chip that is still better than many mobile PCI Express cards.

EDIT: You also left out in your quote my comment at the end addressing what you said. I said Apple would have to have used the X700 for it to have made a difference.
 
igetbanned said:
The guy asked out PCI-e compared to AGP, and I told him.

'improved bandwidth'

And, THE LINK IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

PEACE!
Actually I'm "the guy", and I know how PCI-e compares to AGP. There's just no advantage to putting it into the PB now. It's not faster, it's not upgradable. There is no advantage to the increased bandwidth. You seem to think there is. It's that explanation I'm waiting for.

And here's the link again - I'll edit my original post with the fixed link:
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050524/vga_charts-02.html
 
starfishprime said:
Off topic but...
I have honestly been looking for a solid guide to do-it-yourself upgrades on macs, especially powerbooks... but to no avail. :confused:
Does anyone have any suggestions/info/direction as to what can be done (memory, hard-drives, etc.) and how one should go about doing it.
... I really dont wanna mess up the new PB im getting :p

Lacero mentioned this website on a different thread. It shows you photo-by-photo how to install anything you could possibly think of in a mac laptop. PBFixIt.com

You were talking about installing right? If you meant that you needed advice about what to install then you should maybe set up a thread in the "buy" section of the website and ask for people's advice. For memory help check out Crucial.
 
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