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While the desktop 6970 would have certainly been faster, it's not necessarily better. I understand the reasoning behind using mobile parts. The desktop 6970 is a beast of a GPU. Due to the heat it generates, it requires a relatively open case design and a dedicated cooling system. This would significantly affected the design of the iMac and resulted in it being somewhat loud under load.

And that's EXACTLY what separates perfectionist Mac users from ordinary Windows hobbyists...for the latter it's all about specs without any regard to battery life, design, noise levels and overall build quality.

Bottomline: I do NOT want to build my beige box, I do NOT want to worry about custom cooling, I do NOT want to infringe OS X's license by using it on unsupported machines and I do NOT want to worry about stickers on my keyboard or CPU.

Now if someone could explain the enormous Swiss/European subsidy to the benefit of US customers...:rolleyes:
 
"The new FaceTime HD camera lets you make FaceTime video calls in 720p resolution"

Why on the tech specs page does it say:

Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to a 30-inch display (2560 by 1600 pixels) on an external display

?
 
iMacs are always going to provide greater "bang for the buck"...so if you dont need a mobile platform*, cheers to your new iMac friend:)


*Id really consider the possibilities of needing a notebook in the near future though. It would be a shame to need one and have to buy out of pocket. Stay well:)

PS: Just curious, why not go for the 27inch? The base 15inch is actually a tad more expensive than the base 27.

I've had a MacBook Pro for the last 6 years and since I graduated college 3 years ago I haven't needed it as a mobile computer. I live in a small Manhattan studio. 27in would be HUGE in there.

This is a home computer so I will have my work machine. I'll still use it for personal projects, but it will not be used as my main work machine.

Basically I can get the base model iMac 2.5GHz i5 with 8GB of RAM, 32GB Verizon iPad2, and a cover for the same price as what I currently have. Or I can get a 2.8GHz i7 with 8GB of RAM, and a 2TB hard drive. I'm just trying to weigh my options.
 
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Because this is coming from you Aiden, and you've provided the links which I shall read soon, I won't consider HT a plus in my search for a new workstation.

The cache issue is that pairs of virtual cores share the L1/L2 caches of one physical core. This means that when two virtual cores on the same physical core are running, the effective size of the L1/L2 cache is more or less halved. This effect will typically be minor, since the L3 cache is shared among all virtual cores the actual memory traffic increase may not be significant. Some L1 hits turn into L1 misses, some L2 hits turn into L2 misses, some L3 hits turn into L3 misses.

The scheduling issue is much more significant. Since a pair of virtual cores shares a physical core, if threads are active on both virtual cores neither thread gets the full speed of the physical core. A best-case figure of around 20% improvement for HyperThreading is often used, so let's work on the basis that two virtual threads on a physical core will each run at 60% of the speed of a single virtual thread on the physical core.

If you always have 8 (for a quad HT socket) or more threads computable, then HT is a win. You'll average 120% of the speed of the none-HT system.

If, however, your job averages 3 or 4 threads computable - sometimes you'll have 1 thread running, sometimes 3, sometimes 5, sometimes 8. This may bounce up and down quite randomly during your job - and changes microsecond by microsecond as the job runs.

The situation where HT will slow you down is when at microsecond 0 you have 8 threads active - and the scheduler assigns the 8 active threads to the 8 virtual processors.

The problem is that at microsecond 10 you may only have 4 threads active - and by chance it's possible that those 4 are running on the 4 virtual processors on 2 physical CPUs.

At that instant, you'll be getting 240% of the performance of your chip, not 400%. Without HT, you'd be getting 400%.

That's why my rule is that I don't enable hyperthreading unless my workflow spends most of its time with 5 or more active threads.
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Note also that HyperThreading increases throughput at the cost of added latency.

In the ideal case of a constant 8 computable threads, you'll get 120% of the throughput (things per second). Your response time (latency), however, will be 120% of the non-HT case. "Seconds per thing" goes up, even though "things per second" also goes up.
 
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6750M performs better than 6970M?

Did anyone else notice that on the Performance page for the new iMac, Apple lists the performance of the 6750 as better than the 6970? What gives?

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Edit: Oh, now I see... They're comparing each to different machines. I guess the low end one is more bang for your back as compared to previous gen models.
 
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Now if someone could explain the enormous Swiss/European subsidy to the benefit of US customers...:rolleyes:

You mean as in the extra 25% you have to fork out for the entry model in Switzerland?

It's CHF 1350 there, which is equivalent to almost 1500 USD (in the States, only 1200$).

Btw, in Norway, it's 9500 NOK (1800 USD) so that's 50 % extra.
 
No USB3 gives one an 'excuse' to wait for next time to think about buying, and not spend $NZ5k now. The GPUs seem like pretty nice ups especially on the very top-end, which is where I couldn't possibly help looking, of course :D.

I too am sceptical about TB and whether it will end up going the obscurity route of FW; seems to be the trend for Apple to follow such ports....

This seems to be the year of the GPU for Apple though, they made quite significant jumps in the MBP updates earlier as well.

And yes, the SSD option pricing is annoying, especially when one has seen the graphs comparing the drives Apple includes to what is out there, and not at that great expense anymore either! Of course one of the benefits has always been that you don't have to do too much confusing customisation on these machines, but it would be nice to have the realistic after-market option in areas like that where there are known ups that could easily be included!

Other than that the updates seem solid; I like that their 8GB RAM upgrade goes to 2x4GB so you can go further later without waste ... only in the top end, of course ><, but still.

Might have to break my podcast avoidance for the year and see if the MBW fellows annoy me any less in their talking about the new models this time!
 
I just called three local Apple Stores in the Seattle area and not a single one has the new iMacs in stock. Is this happening to everyone else? I really wanted to pick mine up today!

Went to my local store here in upstate NY at noon today. They didn't have them (d'oh!) but a friend that works at the store told me he'd let me know when they got them. Just a couple hours later he let me know the iMacs were at the store. So I went back to the store (only 5 minutes away, thankfully). I didn't see my friend so I spent 25 minutes milling about the store trying various gadgets, and not a single employee asked if they could help me out. Do you need to pin a credit card to your shirt to prove you're interested in making a purchase? I had to approach an employee and politely ask him if the new iMacs were in stock yet. "No," he told me tersely, in a manner that suggested I was some kind of idiot *******.

But shortly thereafter I spotted my friend and he hooked me up with a new iMac right off the truck. So check back often...they could arrive at your Apple store at any minute.
 
Oh how I neeeeeed a Mac Mini with dual Thunderbird ports.

Surprising, since there are exactly zero TBird (or TBolt) devices on the market.

What do you "neeeeeed" two TBolt ports for, exactly?

Or, did you just forget the <sarcasm> tags on your post - which would make more sense than what you wrote....
 
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Heh, just had a rush of blood to the head, cancelled the 'sensible' i5 iMac and bumped it up to the i7 with 2Gb of video ram instead. What the heck, this is going to last me at least three years (hopefully a bit more) and will be a gaming machine as well... might only be 10% extra processor speed but should notice that when trying to run games in a year or two.


You did the right thing bro!
 
Surprising, since there are exactly zero TBird (or TBolt) devices on the market.

What do you "neeeeeed" two TBolt ports for, exactly?

Or, did you just forget the <sarcasm> tags on your post - which would make more sense than what you wrote....


Two 30 inch Mac monitors! That's what!
 
Went to my local store here in upstate NY at noon today. They didn't have them (d'oh!) but a friend that works at the store told me he'd let me know when they got them. Just a couple hours later he let me know the iMacs were at the store. So I went back to the store (only 5 minutes away, thankfully). I didn't see my friend so I spent 25 minutes milling about the store trying various gadgets, and not a single employee asked if they could help me out. Do you need to pin a credit card to your shirt to prove you're interested in making a purchase? I had to approach an employee and politely ask him if the new iMacs were in stock yet. "No," he told me tersely, in a manner that suggested I was some kind of idiot *******.

But shortly thereafter I spotted my friend and he hooked me up with a new iMac right off the truck. So check back often...they could arrive at your Apple store at any minute.

You the man dog! Which one did you get?
 
Apple continues their model to suck most money out of their customers.

Example:

-Can't buy base 21.5'' with 6770M or 6970M.
-Can't buy base 27'' with 6970M.

Why does it always have to be that if you want a good graphics card, you must go for the top model, and thereby paying so much more than if you could just customize the base model with it?

Already know the answer, but let your defending excuses come.

That is very frustrating. I was looking at the base 21.5 inch model and you can't even choose a different size hard drive :mad: And before any of you say anything, yes, I do realize that I am cheap :D I am disabled and I do spend a lot of time on my computer, but I'm not marrying the darned thing and there really isn't any sense in buying something with specs that I will most likely never use. I am glad to see most of the stuff that has accompanied this update. I just wish that they would give us more options. I realize that if I can pick a model without any changes or options that I can buy from someplace like Amazon and not have to pay sales tax. Yes, I know that I am cheap. See above. Does anyone know of a place that does allow options and still no sales tax for North Carolina? Yes, I know I'm cheap.
 
Not a ringing endorsement for a $2200 desktop machine.
This would be great in a notebook, not so much for a high end desktop.

Dude this is the best desktop all in one system out there. Everything else being sold out there looks junky..

Wait till OS Lion comes in a few months....its going to rock the world!
 
wtf... just went to store to pick one up and they still had old iMacs sitting out... store clerk said they should probably get them in tomorrow... thought Apple was good at planning these things? :confused:

* edit: just read up and saw others are having similar problems... disappointing all the same.
 
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You the man dog! Which one did you get?

Well, it's a treat that I'm even able to buy a new Mac at all, so I chose the base model. I really wish I could have gotten a 1TB HDD instead of 500GB but I couldn't stomach paying another $300 for 500GB of hard drive and a couple minor speed bumps. But otherwise I'm very pleased with its specs! The 27" models would be too big for my workspace so I'm cool with the 21.5".
 
4-6 week wait on SSD

Disappointed that the 256GB Solid State Drive BTO option adds 4-6 weeks to the ship date. It will be worth it, but I hope that "June 15" is a conservative estimate.

My current iMac is a doorstop with a bad logic board.
 
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