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Features like hotswappable and redundant power supplies are nice buzzwords to satisfy CIOs but in practice, they only add to the cost of the machine and are not 100% guaranteed to work.

Having had to swap out a few power supplies hot in our Sun servers myself, I can say that you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
Apple is a Mobile Devices company. XServe is not mobile nor is it a device. Apple caters to small businesses, the Mac Pro and Mac Mini are more then enough for those customers.

- Bruce

Not true at all. Apple is a electronics company, and they cater to customers. Anyone who will buy their product. They don't discriminate among big and small businesses or individual consumers. They are just trying to move product.
 
Good move for Apple. I have never seen an XServe, nor do I know ANYONE who has ever bought one. That could not have been a money maker for them.

Funny, I don't know anyone who has an iPhone, and I've never seen one in person. Must not be a money maker for them either.
 
Come on people...did apple ready sell a lot of 1U servers? No....and they dropped it. Most people buy HP, IBM or Dell for servers in their datacenters. Apple did not need to compete against this. They are more of a consumer company. They need to make OSX Lion a one OS type of OS...Why be like microsoft and split the OS into server and workstation?

What they need to do is make a mac mini server that is i3, I5, and I7.
 
Just a question for more avid followers than I:

Did anyone notice the online Apple Store go down for the addition of the Mac Pro Server?

If it didn't happen we now KNOW that when they do take it down to 'add stuff', it's all a load of hype.
 
Come on people...did apple ready sell a lot of 1U servers? No....and they dropped it. Most people buy HP, IBM or Dell for servers in their datacenters. Apple did not need to compete against this.

And do you really think the Xserve was made for competing in the general-purpose server market ? Of course not. The Xserve was there to support Mac shops, people that need render farms running Final Cut Studio and the required infrastructure service to centrally manage their Macintosh clients (Update Server, Netboot, OpenDirectory, etc...).
 
I know loads and loads of people with iPhones and have had two myself but I still haven't seen a single iPad outside of a shop.

Must mean the iPads don't sell... ;)

Seriously, we can stop laughing at that post, the poor guy is probably scared to death of coming back to the thread by now.
 
Just a question for more avid followers than I:

Did anyone notice the online Apple Store go down for the addition of the Mac Pro Server?

If it didn't happen we now KNOW that when they do take it down to 'add stuff', it's all a load of hype.

it's 2010 and you just figured that out?

i can imagine the CIO at apple designing an online commerce system where you have to bring the store down to add/subtract/update any product
 
it's 2010 and you just figured that out?

i can imagine the CIO at apple designing an online commerce system where you have to bring the store down to add/subtract/update any product

Yeah fair play, it's obvious that they shouldn't need to... So my next question is why do they sometimes bring it down, only not to release a new magical product?

Besides, since the Apple Store is running on WebObjects I wouldn't be surprised that it has only just gained the 'modify' capability recently! :p
 
Funny, I don't know anyone who has an iPhone, and I've never seen one in person. Must not be a money maker for them either.

It's true! Apple missed a country!

That's pretty amazing. I wish it wasn't, but it is...!
 
Yeah fair play, it's obvious that they shouldn't need to... So my next question is why do they sometimes bring it down, only not to release a new magical product?

Besides, since the Apple Store is running on WebObjects I wouldn't be surprised that it has only just gained the 'modify' capability recently! :p

hype and the fact that it's probably replicated on akamai and having it come back at once for everyone fuels desire of products
 
Hackintosh is starting to sound alot better to me. wonder if a Sony Viao Laptop with Blu-Ray will run Mac OS fine? (yes off topic, but i dont need a new server right now)

My shoe is untied (yes off topic, but I don't need a new server right now.)
 
Apple is not abandoning the Enterprise. They will continue to provide first class enterprise features on the client side. They are just abandoning the data room. There are lots of Xserve alternatives in the market now. JAMF replaces MCX and runs on Linux. There are enterprise-grade clustered file server appliances and SANs that will beat any server for file hosting with great OS X support. AD integration has become very good in Snow Leopard, but you can also use a Linux based LDAP server.
 
Apple is a Mobile Devices company. XServe is not mobile nor is it a device. Apple caters to small businesses, the Mac Pro and Mac Mini are more then enough for those customers.
The problem with that idea is that apple sells, Mac Minis, iMacs, Mac Pros, Apple TV, etc. They're more of a consumer company and as being stated in this thread. The Mac Pro is a rather poor option for small businesses.

Lack of redundancy, hot swappable drives, high cost makes the Mac Pro a poor fit. The Mac Mini is under powered in a lot of similar ways but at least that's cheaper.

I will say this, that apple's focus has been more on the mobile electronics, much to the detriment of is other product lines.
 
Not true at all. Apple is a consumer electronics company, and they cater to customers. Anyone who will buy their product. They don't discriminate among big and small businesses or individual consumers. They are just trying to move product.

Fixed.

I really wonder what they are telling customers who bought those massive FC editing solutions they sold to tv networks and film studios, or what they are telling the customers running Xserve computing clusters.

I plan on being in the room when our Apple rep meets with our guys running the clusters.

Apple is not abandoning the Enterprise. They will continue to provide first class enterprise features on the client side. They are just abandoning the data room. There are lots of Xserve alternatives in the market now. JAMF replaces MCX and runs on Linux. There are enterprise-grade clustered file server appliances and SANs that will beat any server for file hosting with great OS X support. AD integration has become very good in Snow Leopard, but you can also use a Linux based LDAP server.

But what you are describing is other companies servicing Mac client systems. Apple really isn't in the loop there, are they?

Apple's vision of serving the enterprise is iPhones and iPads. (See the BoA story on the homepage right now).

I already had a call from one of our IT staff about the viability of my Xserves in our datacenter since there is no upgrade path now.
 
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The Mac Pro can be converted into a 1U server without much trouble. All it takes is a Dremel, a bit of JB Weld, some duck tape, dental floss and about 10 minutes. If you are under the age of 12, please ask an adult to help you.
 
Apple will be phasing out hard drives and all local storage next year. What do you think that $1billion data center's for!

It's a secret missile base to attack google headquarters.


The Mac Pro can be converted into a 1U server without much trouble. All it takes is a Dremel, a bit of JB Weld, some duck tape, dental floss and about 10 minutes. If you are under the age of 12, please ask an adult to help you.

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But what you are describing is other companies servicing Mac client systems. Apple really isn't in the loop there, are they?
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Apple's foray into the enterprise has failed. I'd even say the idea of Macs making their way into the office is a long shot at best. You lose the data center, you lose the front office. The people who make the decisions on what servers to use, makes the decisions on what desktops to select.
 
2011 Mac Pro

Don't worry! The 2011 Mac Pro will be completely redesigned. It will be approximately 3u wide and 18" tall. The front will have at least 1 hot swap HDD instead of two Super Drives. This will make it ideal to rack mount once again.
 
i guess i worded the post bad, the MacPro is both a workstation and a server, which one of those needs a low end gaming video card?

gaming video cards have cheaper silicon and cheaper parts,
workstation cards have high quality components, higher spec parts, (you can see the diffrence between the geforce cards and the quadro cards, quadro cards have better heat sinks and heat pipes)

It depends on what you're looking for. Unless you're doing computations in GPU, all many servers need is a frame buffer. An integrated GPU can do that.
 
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