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Apple Releases New 'Server' Configuration of Mac Pro to Replace Xserve
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And that's based on...?
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I've met Apple employees that have never seen an XServe either. Too bad, as it's probably the best thing they ever made. Just my opinion.
Okay I don't really know much about servers but,
could apple be releasing a hardware update for the mac pro in a couple months, or I guess maybe several months with hot swap drive bays, redundant power supply. Or could they be making a new product like "mac pro server" similar to this server configuration but with more xserve like hardware features.
and finally could they also have a "mac pro slim" with a compact form factor and able to be in a rack mount.
I know the mac pro update is a while away. but If they were making like a new product, like "mac pro slim" could that be available in late january, February.
could apple be releasing a hardware update for the mac pro in a couple months, or I guess maybe several months with hot swap drive bays, redundant power supply. Or could they be making a new product like "mac pro server" similar to this server configuration but with more xserve like hardware features.
and finally could they also have a "mac pro slim" with a compact form factor and able to be in a rack mount.
I know the mac pro update is a while away. but If they were making like a new product, like "mac pro slim" could that be available in late january, February.
since when Servers are towers? stevo is all about consumer and the iToys craze. Hell with the Pro and Enterprise users.
not sure they make Rum form Apple but Just in case.
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Maybe they still have something up their sleeve that will be announced later.
It's not like the Xserve is out of stock today.
There are third party rack options out there - but Mac Pros do take a lot of space. But let's take the power supply redundancy out of the equation: How many maxed out 1U XServers would you need to match a maxed out Mac Pro Server?
That's clearly the idea here.
Mac Mini Server farms for rack replacement, and this for anything else.
Apple is slimming down their server product lines, and trying to get rid of redundant products.
The 2011 mac pro. Coming in 2013 for the magical price of $3000. 2.4 ghz Intel Core 2 Duo. 4 GB ram. Integrated graphics. And a 35 inch touch screen.
That's clearly the idea here.
Mac Mini Server farms for rack replacement, and this for anything else.
Apple is slimming down their server product lines, and trying to get rid of redundant products.
Lol, call me when I can drop an infiniband card in a mini!
1. Yeah, just that 1. A Mac Pro is only a 12 core, 32 GB RAM machine.
Current Dell blades go up to quad socket 12-core (48 cores/blade) In the machine room 12 cores in as much rack space as a MP is a bit of a joke
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Apple doesn't give a rats behind when it comes to professional customers, the people who are the foundation of their success.
I have seen the xserve in use in quite a lot of locations. Now they've just installed Mac OS X Server on an Mac Pro, and that's supposed to be a realistic solution?
I have seen the xserve in use in quite a lot of locations. Now they've just installed Mac OS X Server on an Mac Pro, and that's supposed to be a realistic solution?
Exactly. I don't quite understand what point oban14 was trying to make, the Mac Pro's computing power density is just completely inexistant. Maybe he really thought the Mac Pro offered way more power than anything smaller ?
I guess we'll just have to take him to school if he tries that argument again.
Cheaper parts and cheaper silicon?
I was under the impression that workstation cards were 99% identical to gaming cards (except being slower than their equivalent models), the only real difference being software and their 'certified' drivers.
Anyway, my experience of osx server has been utterly abysmal - 'ok' for small apple only networks I guess, but not at all suited to the enterprise market. Ignoring the hardware - Far too many issues and quirks, far too few distinguishing features over every alternative.
Heh left out the "amen". But yeah, I agree w you, the mac pro is a powerful workstation, but it has no place in a rack!
Mac Pros can run with up to 64gigs of RAM, you would think this would be on offer with the MacPro Server.
This is Why Apple is Loosing Pro Users
It amazes me how Apple is marketing themselves for the future. While Apple is currently experiencing success with consumers, they are setting themselves up to loose potential enterprise users in the future. This has started back with the lack of support for the Pro tools of Apple including FCP and Logic.
Obviously the Mac Pro has the power under the hood to act as a server, but the scalability of a system comprised of Mac Pros is obviously not as efficient as Xservers. You can not mount them and they are not in the conventional server body. I just feel that Apple is eventually setting itself up for being a strictly a consumer based company, which I guess is not necessarily a bad thing, but for those in the enterprise area of things, this is not exciting.
It amazes me how Apple is marketing themselves for the future. While Apple is currently experiencing success with consumers, they are setting themselves up to loose potential enterprise users in the future. This has started back with the lack of support for the Pro tools of Apple including FCP and Logic.
Obviously the Mac Pro has the power under the hood to act as a server, but the scalability of a system comprised of Mac Pros is obviously not as efficient as Xservers. You can not mount them and they are not in the conventional server body. I just feel that Apple is eventually setting itself up for being a strictly a consumer based company, which I guess is not necessarily a bad thing, but for those in the enterprise area of things, this is not exciting.
Educate me, oh wise one.
The Mac Pro gives you more cores, more drives, more ram, and is more expandable. I never said you could use it in the place of 12 Xserves.
And I was so close to buying one of these.
What's up with Apple? Not everyone is a home user. Soon enough the MacBook Pro's will be merged with MacBooks and MacBook Airs, and Mac Pros with iMacs and Mac Minis.
This is a sad, sad day.
What's up with Apple? Not everyone is a home user. Soon enough the MacBook Pro's will be merged with MacBooks and MacBook Airs, and Mac Pros with iMacs and Mac Minis.
This is a sad, sad day.
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quadro cards use ECC ram (a hellva lot more expensive than just regular GDDR5)
also the quadro 5xxx series has alot more ram too, my GTX470 has 1.25 GB of ram, the quadro has over 2.5GB
same GPU, but just everything around it is diffrent including more heatpipes in the cooling solution.
People are talking about this making Apple irrelevancy in the corporate world, but Apple has never been big in the corporate world. People don't buy a Mac because they need a server. People buy Mac servers to support Mac desktops. The people this will impact are those who run Macs on the desktop and want/need a Mac server to support their desktops. The two groups that come to mind are education and video editors.
Education both schools and universities is an area where Apple were once dominate, without the Xserve that is one more reason for these institutions to go all Windows on the desktop (or even Linux).
It is my understand that Xserves are often used as media servers with Xsan to support FCP editors.
While the Xserve may not have been a big seller for Apple, the worrying part is that this may be another sign that Apple's attention is shifting away from the high end of the PC market to being be purely a consumer tech company.
Education both schools and universities is an area where Apple were once dominate, without the Xserve that is one more reason for these institutions to go all Windows on the desktop (or even Linux).
It is my understand that Xserves are often used as media servers with Xsan to support FCP editors.
While the Xserve may not have been a big seller for Apple, the worrying part is that this may be another sign that Apple's attention is shifting away from the high end of the PC market to being be purely a consumer tech company.
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But can the OS or the applications that run on it, really make use of 64GB of RAM?? Apple spin, doesn't make the computer any more productive.
Only as an individual unit. Taken all told, an xserve at 1u leaves a lot more space on the rack for external arrays, proper switches, and, of course, more xserves.
The MP is *not* designed for a datacenter, no dual power supplies, no externally accessible drive sleds, too much rack space. Even that expandability is ridiculous. In a data center you often have 3 types of machines (well, only talking about servers here, ignoring disk, network fabric, etc for a sec) these days: blades in chassis (apple doesn't make anything in this category, never did), 1 (xserve) and 2u servers, and the occasional 4-6u server (mac pro in this case). Those 4-6u servers though tend to hold *lots* of drives, *lots* of CPU power, and a helluva lot of ram. The MP is not designed to play in that arena.
In other words, yes the MP is more powerful than the xserve, individually, but *not* the way a machine room usually is deployed.
But can the OS or the applications that run on it, really make use of 64GB of RAM?? Apple spin, doesn't make the computer any more productive.
On the server side? you better believe it!
I run jobs on machines with over 100GB of ram, and can easily eat it all on the right job, and that's in scientific computing (MD). If you look at DB servers, or large application servers, they can eat even more- easily
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Everyone is puzzled by this but let us ask...WHAT does Apple run in their racks at the new N.C. server farm? Hmmm? X-Serve? Well not anymore! And we can bet they aren't using Dell or HP systems so let us speculate that Apple has something else up their sleeve, not just this weak little Mac Pro gap-filler.
Everyone is puzzled by this but let us ask...WHAT does Apple run in their racks at the new N.C. server farm? Hmmm? X-Serve? Well not anymore! And we can bet they aren't using Dell or HP systems so let us speculate that Apple has something else up their sleeve, not just this weak little Mac Pro gap-filler.
Actually I would bet they use general hardware (Dell, HP, Supermicro, etc). To be fair, it's not like they couldnt port OSX to it internally if they didnt want to run linux, bsd, windows, etc...