Apple Releases Ninth Beta of macOS Big Sur to Developers

[antmarobel]

Edited.

 

[billyok]

8 betas (9 now) and they didn’t fix the fan issue with the MacBook Pro 16-inch when connected to an external monitor. At this point I’m ready to give up and sale this piece of c.... machine.

This is why Apple should kill the public beta program. People like you should just have to wait while developers actually use these betas as intended.

 

[Schismz]

You know, what "Beta" means?

Yes, it's called: every release of Catalina.

 

[ateslik]

Whenever there is a check or other symbol next to a menu item, it doesn't align correctly with the name of the menu:

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It's a very small detail most people probably wouldn't notice, but being a graphic designer I noticed it right away and it's actually pretty irritating.

It is possible that it's intentional, but it just seems a bit weird to me. I'd prefer it aligned.

hm, I see what you mean. Thanks for the quick graphic.

I hear other people's observation that the text is always lined up. I see that too.

I'm not sure which I prefer. I think I would prefer the text always lined up and the menu lined up with the margin of the selected menu. Not sure why it can't be both. Mabye it makes the menu spacing too big.

 

[csalm87]

hm, I see what you mean. Thanks for the quick graphic.

I hear other people's observation that the text is always lined up. I see that too.

I'm not sure which I prefer. I think I would prefer the text always lined up and the menu lined up with the margin of the selected menu. Not sure why it can't be both. Mabye it makes the menu spacing too big.

It's a difficult design decision because I don't think you can have both without something looking off. I think, since the actual menu is the most prominent, it should all be aligned the same. The check could still be aligned under the menu text and it would look ok in my opinion. The alignment would still be ok because it would split through the center of the checkmark, but the more prominent feature would be aligned the same way as everything else.

There are also different ways they can represent that as being selected without using a checkmark. However, this is would fundamentally change the way people know the Mac and Apple has done a fantastic job over the years at keeping interface elements and how they are represented the same, and at the same time updating the look. Big Sur is a major overhaul of the look obviously and, like Mavericks to Yosemite redesign, I expect we will see tweaks in the next several OS releases.

 

[q64ceo]

It's a difficult design decision because I don't think you can have both without something looking off. I think, since the actual menu is the most prominent, it should all be aligned the same. The check could still be aligned under the menu text and it would look ok in my opinion. The alignment would still be ok because it would split through the center of the checkmark, but the more prominent feature would be aligned the same way as everything else.

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There are also different ways they can represent that as being selected without using a checkmark. However, this is would fundamentally change the way people know the Mac and Apple has done a fantastic job over the years at keeping interface elements and how they are represented the same, and at the same time updating the look. Big Sur is a major overhaul of the look obviously and, like Mavericks to Yosemite redesign, I expect we will see tweaks in the next several OS releases.

It wouldnt be much of a change to use radio buttons. Those feature prominently in macOS. In fact many items in the menubar that use the checkbox should be using the radio button. Look at your example. View as Icons, or as List, or as Columns, one can only select one option. The checkmark is used for multiple option selections whereas the radio button is used for one option selection.

 

[RandomDSdevel]

It wouldnt be much of a change to use radio buttons. Those feature prominently in macOS. In fact many items in the menubar that use the checkbox should be using the radio button. Look at your example. View as Icons, or as List, or as Columns, one can only select one option. The checkmark is used for multiple option selections whereas the radio button is used for one option selection.

-----On the one hand, you're right. On the other hand, I don't recall any Mac operating system ever using radio buttons in menus. Windows might/might have, but I'd have to look that up to check.

 

[Marius Hincu]

Hello guys, my macbook has updated over the night to latest beta and now when I've turned it on after I'm putting my password is loading like 3/4 and then restarts. Any idea?

 

[MCKLMT]

So after few days, how is the beta 9 for you?

 

[Paulo Freitas Valvator]

In general everything works fine, there are some third party apps that will only work in the final version, problems with the drivers not yet updated.

 

[smartmiller]

In general everything works fine, there are some third party apps that will only work in the final version, problems with the drivers not yet updated.

Yes, works fine at all. No problems.

 

[DoctaDre]

i get an network error when attempt to download Beta 9
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I've not been able to get around this...have you figured out a solution? It was doing it for Beta 8 too

 

[viettanium]

I've not been able to get around this...have you figured out a solution? It was doing it for Beta 8 too

SOLVED, turn off Secure Boot

 

[l0stl0rd]

Does anyone have this issue? Had it for the last 3 betas I think, beta 9 does it too.

SceneKitQLThumbnailExtension memory leak and high CPU

 

[ateslik]

anyone else have the problem where videos suddenly decide to playback at super high speeds? Closing all apps and killing coreaudiod fixes it for me, but it's super annoying to have to close everything. Feedback sent.

 

[ErikGrim]

It's a difficult design decision because I don't think you can have both without something looking off. I think, since the actual menu is the most prominent, it should all be aligned the same. The check could still be aligned under the menu text and it would look ok in my opinion. The alignment would still be ok because it would split through the center of the checkmark, but the more prominent feature would be aligned the same way as everything else.

View attachment 961930

There are also different ways they can represent that as being selected without using a checkmark. However, this is would fundamentally change the way people know the Mac and Apple has done a fantastic job over the years at keeping interface elements and how they are represented the same, and at the same time updating the look. Big Sur is a major overhaul of the look obviously and, like Mavericks to Yosemite redesign, I expect we will see tweaks in the next several OS releases.

I would much prefer this solution to the borders being seemingly randomly out of alignment.

 

[DiamondarBoss]

JUST RELEASE THE GODDAMN THING ALREADY, lol

 

[MCKLMT]

It's only me or the Mbp runs hotter under Big Sur than on Catalina? 🤨

 

[Dao Mau Thin]

Waiting for Big Sur! Someone else know when it's realeased?

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

Nice analysis, but probably Apple is not that logical..

Well, they announce the October 13 event on October 6, and there’s still no Big Sur GM, only six days before the event.
There are no max rumored to be announced at this event, both Mark Gurman and L0vetodream have said that there will be an event in November, and I highly doubt Apple is going to randomly drop Big Sur with no prior announcement or GM. They tried that with iOS 14, releasing the GM one day before it’s released to the public, and it didn’t go so well with the developers. I don’t think they’ll be trying something like that again anytime soon, especially with something taken as seriously as an entire design change, with tons of new architectural underpinnings like Big Sur is.
that’s definitely won’t be coming out on October 13, and it most likely won’t be coming out this month. So I’m still sticking to what I said, GM released in the last week of October, Mac event in the second week of November, with release following.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

All signs point towards October 13 event being just about iPhones and airtags, with some possible AirPods studio info thrown in there.
Also, all the current iOS builds that are in beta are 14.2. We still haven’t gotten 14.1 yet, which is rumored to ship with the new iPhone 12 ‘s.
I doubt that we will get 14.2 until at least November, and I think that 14.2 will ship at the exact same time as Big Sur.
My guess is November 10. There was an event in the second week of September, an event in the second week of October, and I think they’ll be a Mac and HomePod centric event in the second week of November.
So we should be seeing the Big Sur GM in the last week of October, or the first week of November. I think Apple is going to give plenty of wiggle room for app developers to update their apps for Big Sur. They only gave one days notice with iOS 14, and it didn’t go so well. Big Sur is a major update, so I think we’ll at least get one week, but hopefully two, of prior notice.
So here is my thought of what the schedule will be.
October 13: iOS 14.1, tvOS 14.1, and watchOS 7.0.2 are released to the public.
October 14 or 15th: iOS 14.2 beta three, tvOS 14.2 beta three, watchOS 7.1 beta three, and Big Sur Beta 10 are released to developers and public beta testers.
sometime during the week of October 26-30: Big Sur GM is released.
Sometime during the week of November 2: Apple sends out invites to a November 10 event.
November 10 after event: iOS 14.2, watchOS 7.1, tvOS 14.2, HomePod OS 14.2, and macOS 11.0 Big Sur are all released to the public.

 

[Chris The Bipolarbear]

As it has now been 14 days since last beta could we see a new beta after event tonight?

 

[DoctaDre]

SOLVED, turn off Secure Boot

Unfortunately that’s from iMacs that have the T2 chip. My iMac is 4 years old and does not have that