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Might just be me, though I have seen the odd comment concerning this as well...

Thumbnails of .NEF files work. Hitting space bar opens the file, and the picture might be visible... but, doing so on other .NEF files will get the system in a condition quickly, where the image is completely black.

Same issue can also be seen in Aperture, so I'm thinking RAW Camera compatibility with the OS, though my specific camera is... long in the tooth now. Nikon 70s.
 
First of all, it is techie. I'd venture to say that the average individual doesn't even know what a "partition" is. The fact that you know doesn't make it common. This is why Apple sells more appliances than anything else.

Second, you are flat out wrong here. You are free to boot from any supported device, and your limitation is the ports on your Mac (and your external enclosure). Of course, you are assuming too much here (again).

The idea is to test out the OS before installing it full on. This is IT101.

If you have to test more than one machine (like many pros actually do), then an external is one of several, very useful alternatives.

You must widen your gaze beyond our nerdy little world, sir.

Get personal much?

First of all, again, no, it's not techie. It's freaking EASY. My point isn't that grandma who uses her 21.5" iMac to check her FB page and email should know how to partition a drive.

But anyone who is loading a beta version of an OS, and doesn't know how to partition a Mac is really diving into the deep end of the pool where they don't belong. You might be interested to know that I am not in a "nerdie little world." I am, in fact an IT director who supports over 1500 users, most of whom "don't even know what a partition is." I get that Apple computers are appliances. That's why I always recommend them to users when they ask. But again, people who are loading beta versions of OS are presumably not the typical user.

I'm not sure what I'm "wrong" about. I simply stated that using an external drive would require someone to use a USB, which is slower than an internal drive. Granted, there is a chance, albeit somewhat slimmer that someone could be using an external drive that is Thunderbolt or USB3, which would make the boot process pretty much as fast as an internal drive. But I was speaking to the much more common scenario.

Fact is, the vast majority of people who are loading dev builds of OS X are just people who ponied up $99 a year to play with the new toy. None of those people care much about "testing it on various machines."

I get that you find the external fits your needs, and that's fine. I was just pointing out that, for the people who are loading the OS just to play with it, which is the largest percentage of this forum, creating a partition on the internal and loading it there is (almost always) the simplest and safest way to go.
 
for the people who are loading the OS just to play with it, which is the largest percentage of this forum, creating a partition on the internal and loading it there is (almost always) the simplest and safest way to go.

I can't agree. It's fine to create multiple partitions if that's what a user wants to do, but there's nothing about doing it with partitions that's simpler or safer than putting it on a second drive. External drive, you don't have to touch your boot drive at all, can't get any safer than that. And I don't see what's not simple about hooking up a USB3 drive and installing on that. If anything now that OSX creates recovery partitions it seems like using a completely separate drive is safer, it's not going to wipe out the recovery partition or have to worry about having two recovery partitions on one drive. Those may not be a problem, but I'd still rather not take that chance.

If you want to do it with partitions, go for it. But that's no reason to insist it's the best way for everyone.
 
Dark mode and that funky sys pref app icon makes this the best OS release ever. Can't wait for a public beta.
 
"Get personal much?" When conversing with someone, everything is personal.

"First of all, again, no, it's not techie. It's freaking EASY. My point isn't that grandma who uses her 21.5" iMac to check her FB page and email should know how to partition a drive." Which is why I said 'if you're techie enough' the first time. I'm not talking about difficulty, I'm talking about how "grandma" doesn't know how to do this. Replace techie with whatever words fits in your mind then.

"But anyone who is loading a beta version of an OS, and doesn't know how to partition a Mac is really diving into the deep end of the pool where they don't belong." Agreed. That is what makes it "techie".

"You might be interested to know that I am not in a "nerdie little world." I am, in fact an IT director who supports over 1500 users, most of whom "don't even know what a partition is." By "our nerdy little world", I meant the comparatively small subset of our society, even the IT world, that Mac-related tasks exist in. There's a gazillion industries out there that do not require their members to know how to partition a drive.

"I get that Apple computers are appliances. That's why I always recommend them to users when they ask. But again, people who are loading beta versions of OS are presumably not the typical user." Agreed, but were talking about OSX here, not Red Hat Enterprise Linux. For the purposes of my response to the OP, the use of an external drive to test if Yosemite is for you is a completely acceptable alternative, and for me, the only one.

"I'm not sure what I'm "wrong" about. I simply stated that using an external drive would require someone to use a USB, which is slower than an internal drive. Granted, there is a chance, albeit somewhat slimmer that someone could be using an external drive that is Thunderbolt or USB3, which would make the boot process pretty much as fast as an internal drive. But I was speaking to the much more common scenario." How do you know that? That is where you are wrong. You keep assuming a so-called common scenario. There isn't one.

"Fact is, the vast majority of people who are loading dev builds of OS X are just people who ponied up $99 a year to play with the new toy. None of those people care much about "testing it on various machines." " Another assumption.

"I get that you find the external fits your needs, and that's fine. I was just pointing out that, for the people who are loading the OS just to play with it, which is the largest percentage of this forum, creating a partition on the internal and loading it there is (almost always) the simplest and safest way to go." I categorically disagree with yet another assumption of yours. It is neither the simplest, nor safest, in my opinion or use-case.

The issue is that your post came against my suggestion to use an external drive, if you have it, without you knowing anything about the OP's use-case, remaining HD space, hardware configuration, etc.
 
I have a late 2011 MBP 13" 750gb 2.8ghz 8gb ram.

I installed DP1 on an external(slow) HDD Hitachi(slow) 250gb 5400rpm(slow), 2.0 USB(slow) with a VERY cheap enclosure(13dlls)(slow) and I tough it would be very(yes, slow) but its not.

It boots in about 110 seconds... yes a little slow. But when its ready to work it has almost normal speed. And also with the update it stayed the same or got a little faster.

I find it very weird that some people feel it's TERRIBLY slow and other dont.

I may be better if I could move the virtual memory to the internal hard disk, is that possible? Would you recommend it?
 
The /Users folder bug was addressed and fix a long time ago, and you can make the ~/Library folder visible by selecting "Show View Options" while in your home directory, then check the option. Why can't you use Terminal? Most of those issues are fixed or seem to be matters with your system. Clean installs should absolutely address them, a better look into third party app's may point to something that may help.

Terminal appeared to stop working with these new updates, but additional research meant that I might have to reboot for some of those things to work.

The /Users folder bug is still an issue for me. I did a clean install of Mavericks months ago. And I've tried that view in your home directory to restore the Library to no avail.

Something is up...

At any rate, not upgrading with today's announcement, so I have to decide if I should attempt a clean install yet again or just deal with the machine being cranky and hope she holds out until the Fall or whenever the real Mac updates happen.

I appreciate the responses I got here. I've done the clean install and wiped the hard drive, but it's apparent something is cooking.
 
Terminal appeared to stop working with these new updates, but additional research meant that I might have to reboot for some of those things to work.

The /Users folder bug is still an issue for me. I did a clean install of Mavericks months ago. And I've tried that view in your home directory to restore the Library to no avail.

Something is up...

At any rate, not upgrading with today's announcement, so I have to decide if I should attempt a clean install yet again or just deal with the machine being cranky and hope she holds out until the Fall or whenever the real Mac updates happen.

I appreciate the responses I got here. I've done the clean install and wiped the hard drive, but it's apparent something is cooking.

After the clean install, you're not restoring your data from a "Time Machine" backup, are you?
 
"Get personal much?" When conversing with someone, everything is personal.

"First of all, again, no, it's not techie. It's freaking EASY. My point isn't that grandma who uses her 21.5" iMac to check her FB page and email should know how to partition a drive." Which is why I said 'if you're techie enough' the first time. I'm not talking about difficulty, I'm talking about how "grandma" doesn't know how to do this. Replace techie with whatever words fits in your mind then.

"But anyone who is loading a beta version of an OS, and doesn't know how to partition a Mac is really diving into the deep end of the pool where they don't belong." Agreed. That is what makes it "techie".

"You might be interested to know that I am not in a "nerdie little world." I am, in fact an IT director who supports over 1500 users, most of whom "don't even know what a partition is." By "our nerdy little world", I meant the comparatively small subset of our society, even the IT world, that Mac-related tasks exist in. There's a gazillion industries out there that do not require their members to know how to partition a drive.

"I get that Apple computers are appliances. That's why I always recommend them to users when they ask. But again, people who are loading beta versions of OS are presumably not the typical user." Agreed, but were talking about OSX here, not Red Hat Enterprise Linux. For the purposes of my response to the OP, the use of an external drive to test if Yosemite is for you is a completely acceptable alternative, and for me, the only one.

"I'm not sure what I'm "wrong" about. I simply stated that using an external drive would require someone to use a USB, which is slower than an internal drive. Granted, there is a chance, albeit somewhat slimmer that someone could be using an external drive that is Thunderbolt or USB3, which would make the boot process pretty much as fast as an internal drive. But I was speaking to the much more common scenario." How do you know that? That is where you are wrong. You keep assuming a so-called common scenario. There isn't one.

"Fact is, the vast majority of people who are loading dev builds of OS X are just people who ponied up $99 a year to play with the new toy. None of those people care much about "testing it on various machines." " Another assumption.

"I get that you find the external fits your needs, and that's fine. I was just pointing out that, for the people who are loading the OS just to play with it, which is the largest percentage of this forum, creating a partition on the internal and loading it there is (almost always) the simplest and safest way to go." I categorically disagree with yet another assumption of yours. It is neither the simplest, nor safest, in my opinion or use-case.

The issue is that your post came against my suggestion to use an external drive, if you have it, without you knowing anything about the OP's use-case, remaining HD space, hardware configuration, etc.

Sigh. Whatever. I have external drives with OS X on them, and I have partitions with OS X on them. I happen to know that partitioning is simpler and easier. Have a great day.
 
To everyone who is saying that they're getting the update in App Store showing as "Version 1.0," and that it's the same as DP2. It is NOT. I installed "Version 1.0" and my build number is not correct and I also don't have any of the changes noted in this thread. I can't seem to download DP2 any which way.
App Store->Updates->OSX 10.10, recommended for everyone. Worked like a charm, took 5 minutes ( well the reboot took several more minutes ).

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Terminal appeared to stop working with these new updates, but additional research meant that I might have to reboot for some of those things to work.
Terminal is working for me with the latest OS X updated. Using it all day, so far no problems.
 
iTunes logo looks like it is chaining to red.

After I updated my Yosemite developer preview 2 and opening Safari I was greeted with this message under search bar.

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It looks like apple has decided to change the colour of the iTunes logo to red.
 
Is anyone able to get phone calls to work? When I try to make a call it loads FaceTime, the call box comes up but it says 'Your iPhone is not available'. I have iOS 8 beta 2 installed on my iPhone and both devices are on the same wifi
network.

Just wondering if this is working for some people, if I have to enable something or if it's simply not a feature that is working at all yet.

Thanks!
 
Is anyone able to get phone calls to work? When I try to make a call it loads FaceTime, the call box comes up but it says 'Your iPhone is not available'. I have iOS 8 beta 2 installed on my iPhone and both devices are on the same wifi

network.



Just wondering if this is working for some people, if I have to enable something or if it's simply not a feature that is working at all yet.



Thanks!



Its currently in lottery mode atm

A very very few amount of people claim to have got it to work
 
I have a late 2011 MBP 13" 750gb 2.8ghz 8gb ram.

I installed DP1 on an external(slow) HDD Hitachi(slow) 250gb 5400rpm(slow), 2.0 USB(slow) with a VERY cheap enclosure(13dlls)(slow) and I tough it would be very(yes, slow) but its not.

It boots in about 110 seconds... yes a little slow. But when its ready to work it has almost normal speed. And also with the update it stayed the same or got a little faster.

I find it very weird that some people feel it's TERRIBLY slow and other dont.

I may be better if I could move the virtual memory to the internal hard disk, is that possible? Would you recommend it?
Its strange because for me (I have a Macbook Pro early 2011
13") DP1 was running very smooth.
But DP2 feels slower.

Hopefully they optimize it better before release.
I also might have to upgrade my Bluetooth,HDD & RAM.
In the hope to get good performance.
 
Not the system stuff no, just writing/creative stuff and movies iTunes does not have. I did not use migration assistant either.

I did another clean install, hopefully this will do until I'm ready to upgrade.

Thanks for the help. :)

You realize when you restore from a Time Machine backup, even if you don't select system files, it will still add modified files from third party apps, especially those that use an installer. Your best bet is to perform a clean install and manually copy your personal files from your latest backup, or install it on another partition without restoring anything and have Mavericks run alongside as your main system. It most def is effecting your system as there are system dep files that are restored.

I assume you created a guest account and logged in to check if anything runs as it should. That would indicate that system files in your home ~/Library folder are causing these random errors. Could be something as simple as a plugin you don't know is installed or any other dozens of errors. If not, then something changed your main /Library folder that is being copied over from restoring even just your personal data.
 
Crap! I hoped they gonna improve the memory management for Safari as its crazy how Safari on Mavericks easily eats 2GB of RAM with 5 tabs. That's unbelievable.

This is normal. Since 10.9 memory management has been redesigned.
 
This is normal. Since 10.9 memory management has been redesigned.

NO, it's not normal to have a tab in Safari which has over 150MB of allocated memory while the same web page has nearly half of the allocated size in Chrome or even Firefox. I understand the change in 10.9+ memory management, but having allocated twice more memory for the same page is not normal. Just saying.
 
Forklift 2 not working

Since preview 1 and now 2. It opens and closes after a second. Not crucial, but is there a workaround? Google search isn't much of a help at the moment.
 
Oh boy, that green baterry icon … so out of place. Looks like Jony Ive stabbed the back of Steve Jobs. Too sad to comprehend
 
Resolved Thanks Bedifferent

You realize when you restore from a Time Machine backup, even if you don't select system files, it will still add modified files from third party apps, especially those that use an installer. Your best bet is to perform a clean install and manually copy your personal files from your latest backup, or install it on another partition without restoring anything and have Mavericks run alongside as your main system. It most def is effecting your system as there are system dep files that are restored.

I assume you created a guest account and logged in to check if anything runs as it should. That would indicate that system files in your home ~/Library folder are causing these random errors. Could be something as simple as a plugin you don't know is installed or any other dozens of errors. If not, then something changed your main /Library folder that is being copied over from restoring even just your personal data.

Yeah, I did create the guest account and everything is running a lot better than it did. I still see beach balls but many other issues have sorted themselves out.

Thanks, bedifferent. Between your suggestions, information and other folks easy to follow instructions, I'm hoping for another few months out of this iMac now.
 
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