Im so confidant right now, I don't really care what some individual do anymore
did you not see I haven't been arguing for a long time? Yep, THAT confidant
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Apple Releases Safari 3.1.1, Addresses PWN2OWN Vulnerability
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*Confident.
Ubuntu is specifically designed for universal uptake with everyone from first time users in the developing world to what you describe variously as "the general public" and "the masses".
Faking experience tends to show up inexperience rather quickly. You'd be better off Googling 'ubuntu' and keeping quiet.
Faking experience tends to show up inexperience rather quickly. You'd be better off Googling 'ubuntu' and keeping quiet.
Thank you G58. I appreciate your advice... ??
Amongst Mac users, we tend to help each other out when one asks for help. My mistake was assuming that being allowed to use a superior browser might have a positive effect on a PC users.
Amongst Mac users, we tend to help each other out when one asks for help. My mistake was assuming that being allowed to use a superior browser might have a positive effect on a PC users.
That's sort of crazy. A browser update needing to restart the computer? Isn't that what got Microsoft into trouble with "The Man" in the first place... a free internet browser being an integral part of the OS?!
Don't let Netscape learn of this!
That's sort of crazy. A browser update needing to restart the computer? Isn't that what got Microsoft into trouble with "The Man" in the first place... a free internet browser being an integral part of the OS?!
Don't let Netscape learn of this!
Great point.
How does Apple get away with so much that Microsoft does not? Lack of real market share?
The internet browser is not an integral part of the OS the underlying technology (webkit) is used for quite a few different applications for example iTunes store iirc. It requires a restart because it is the simplest way of making sure that all applications that use it are restarted.
You missed the point about other applications that use WebKit also need restarting..
really? what did I miss? doesn't windows explorer/file manager use underline code from IE as well?
or IE is bundled less deep in windows than safari in osx?
Well, it isn't a "webkit" update. It is a Safari update that needs to access something deep enough to require a reboot that Apple reserves for low-level system updates.
I know that times have changed and Netscape is an asterisk in the history of the internet but this IS what got MS in trouble with Uncle Sammy.
Try reading the thread before posting
Again with the restart questions... {sigh}
Again with the restart questions... {sigh}
1) If you have a lot of plug-ins and 3rd-party apps, then wait until the 3rd-party developers update your plug-ins and apps before you apply Safari's update. These guys usually push out updates to their products within a few days of an Apple update. You'd think most of you would have figured this out by now considering how long most of you claim to have been using OSX.
2) Unless you are using dial-up, quit whining about the size the Apple updates are. You torrenters are too impatient if you can't stand a 20-second download from Apple. Lay off the Red Bull and Monster!
3) Finally, unless you are a software engineer and know what you are talking about, stop whining about restarting your Mac when you have to apply Apple software updates. Apple has a reason for this "inconvenience." I'm quite certain their engineers know more about how OSX works than 99% of the users here (mostly teenagers).
No wonder the PC folks call us snobs! Whining like this is like a 1st-class airline passenger whining about not getting the wine glass refilled fast enough. Yes, you pay more for a better service/product, but you're not the Queen of England. Cut back on the caffeine and try chanting "goose-frahbah." {/rant}
I remember and it required me to restart once when removing IE6 then it installed IE7 and required a further restart. So it took 2 restarts.
Then moving from IE7 to IE8 also took another restart on XP SP2.
Yes I hear that the problem is the old libraries that may have been upgraded may still be resident in memory until everything free's it up it. Try upgrading libc on (pretty much as *nix) and it won't need a reboot but a lot of stuff won't be using the new versions.
I suspect this is the case with these type of updates it's the only way to ensure the new libraries are loaded and as these are predominately security related it makes sense. For the brave amongst us you can ignore the restart but on your heads be it !
What's the big issue with rebooting?
OS X is designed to sort out lots of issues upon restart. That is: DESIGNED TO!, meaning you have less need to use apps such as Disk Utility etc.
Te days of taking pride in not restarting a Mac are over. Intel [inside... sshhh] to care of that.
Now, a restart is the first and best way to sort issues. Get over it.
OS X is designed to sort out lots of issues upon restart. That is: DESIGNED TO!, meaning you have less need to use apps such as Disk Utility etc.
Te days of taking pride in not restarting a Mac are over. Intel [inside... sshhh] to care of that.
Now, a restart is the first and best way to sort issues. Get over it.
not a big issue, still
1. loss of a bragging right, and realize the real world truth about rebooting of computers, mac or pc
2. more series question, from me, i don't believe for a second this has anything to do with webkit and underlying OSX code (I also don't think webkit is a deep integral part of OSX code base and used by significant amount of stuff in OSX). Its a 0.0.1 browser update, these security holes mentioned in previous reports do not require anything deep in OSX to be changed (at least I don't think so), combined with apple's inability to deliver partial updates. My impression is apple just doesn't care about making good software anymore (not sure they ever did). This, IMHO, is directly encouraged by some mac users who are all too forgiving for any mistakes or shortcoming from apple.
I remember and it required me to restart once when removing IE6 then it installed IE7 and required a further restart. So it took 2 restarts.
Then moving from IE7 to IE8 also took another restart on XP SP2.
Thanks! My old XP was transformed into ubuntu directly, never updated it, new windows box is IE7 from start....just curiosity, not "missing point"
Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
Seriously, you just got my vote for the most ignorant post of the day.
A whole lot of believing, thinking, and impressions.
No facts, stats, or evidence. What are you basing your ridiculous beliefs, thoughts, and impressions upon?
Upon installation and subsequent reboot, my (Intel) Mac Mini hung at the "blue" screen with the spinning cog highlighting the "six o'clock" area of the cog. I left it for about 10 minutes, then resorted to powering off and on.
It got a little farther in the boot-up, then restarted again on it's own...after this restart everything seems to be normal...but it had me scared there for a couple minutes that a x.x.1 update would hose the system.
It got a little farther in the boot-up, then restarted again on it's own...after this restart everything seems to be normal...but it had me scared there for a couple minutes that a x.x.1 update would hose the system.
Safari on Vista
Who in their right mind would run Vista anyway? I feel sorry for you if you have to run Windoze OS
Who in their right mind would run Vista anyway? I feel sorry for you if you have to run Windoze OS
Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
Seriously, you just got my vote for the most ignorant post of the day.
A whole lot of believing, thinking, and impressions.
No facts, stats, or evidence. What are you basing your ridiculous beliefs, thoughts, and impressions upon?
at least I use those word, there are ppl making guesses w/o any of those words, ignorant?
believe or not, your freedome, nobody force u, whats the pointing attacking, no guessing allow here or what?
you don't like to hear ppl complaining, then you need to realize this place is for ppl to complain, ignore it, or answer the question, attacking is against forum rules.
just to add, i wouldn't be sitting here guessing if anybody previously provided convincing document rather than their own "guessing" plus apple's non-substance briefing.
So, you're saying if you use those words ("I think", "I believe", etc.) then we are to believe the claims you are making, with no facts or evidence to support them?
I don't think anyone minds complaining, provided there is a valid gripe. Many users on this thread have explained to you, time and again, why Apple makes you restart and why these types of updates aren't incremental.
I didn't attack you. I read you're post, with no facts, just speculations, like:
...and I said that it was an ignorant thing to say. If you think that's an inappropriate thing for me to say, then I would say it's no more inappropriate than you saying Apple doesn't care about software development. Seriously...clevin said:
Other people have "guessed" here, but they have backed those guesses up with rational and logical thought. You haven't done that, and that is why I'm questioning (not attacking) your comments.I asked you questions:
Would you like to answer or just be "confident" with nothing to base it on? If you don't want to back up your previous comments, that's fine, nobody is forcing you to or attacking you. But you will lose credibility here if you make statements like the above and don't back them up. Just FYI.iFizz said:
I would say this a good explanation for why we have to reboot. I'm sure there are others too. I just read an article that says Apple has increased computer market share by over 30% since this time last year. They are now the #4 personal computer seller, behind Dell, HP, and Acer. I would say they definitely care about making good software. They have to.
i will let objective ppl read my words for themselves. u obvious taking bashing of apple upon yourself. im not interested in such personal exchanges.
about backing myself up... please.. wasn't my guess directly from apple's real world action? other people backup their guess with rational thought ? rational? what rational about some people's thought? when they obviously defending apple? u satisfied with those, but i don't, it tells more about what u like to hear than what is true.
please, these type of double standard kids game, play alone.
i m done with this exchange with ya, b4 it gets out of hand
enjoy urself.