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Apple Releases Safari 3.1.1, Addresses PWN2OWN Vulnerability
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Yeh because I've been using it since 96, you're right. Unless you have specific medical/science apps, it's a server OS, and that's final. It's by no means a daily desktop OS for the masses.
since 96 doesn't make your statement true. medical/science app is not only thing, if the "masses" only surfing, emailing, chatting, writing, simple calculation, video watching, music playing, podcast receiving and playing, bt downloading... etc
Not to mention there was no ubuntu in 1996.
there is people ranting here at MR sometimes call OSX worthless as well, does that make it true?
there is people ranting here and everywhere calling vista a piece of ....., does that make it true?
Im not interested in arguing, just want to make sure people don't get wrong idea from your over-simplified statement.
You are really not part of "mass" from beginning anyway.I was referring to Linux itself, not Ubuntu. I started with Slackware in 96. If the general public does not know what Ubuntu is, or even Linux for that matter, it's not OS for the masses.since 96 doesn't make your statement true. medical/science app is not only thing, if the "masses" only surfing, emailing, chatting, writing, simple calculation, video watching, music playing, podcast receiving and playing, bt downloading... etc
Not to mention there is no ubuntu in 1996.
there is people ranting here at MR sometimes call OSX worthless as well, does that make it true?
there is people ranting here and everywhere calling vista a piece of ....., does that make it true?
Im not interested in arguing, just want to make sure people don't get wrong idea from your over-simplified statement.
And fwiw, the XO-1 runs linux and is entirely a computer for the masses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLPC_XO-1
you obviously should know slackware is much more advanced and much less end-user friendly than ubuntu. I m not sure if you tried ubuntu or not at all, since 7.10, ubuntu has been very much "masses" friendly. Its really not accurate to categorize linux as a whole nowadays.
"Generally public doesn't know" is not a criteria. when firefox started, general public didn't know it neither, but that doesn't mean it was not for the "masses".
Well, that was my point. They are surfing... being "the masses." They certainly are not using it as strictly a server OS.
Can I get TurboTax on Ubunutu? And I'm not talking about the online edition.
Ok so as long as the only thing you do is use a web browser, then Ubuntu and other Linux desktops are ok. Got it. I stand corrected.
if you want to just argue for sake of arguing, do the "masses" have to use turbotax?
I didn't see turboxtas used by 100million people. did you?
PS. I don't care arguing just for the sake of arguing, but I do understand its not honest and helps no one. Just so you know, I didn't start it.
I guess its ok for you to ignore Mplayer, Openoffice, skype video chat, inkscape drawing, adobe reader, DVD ripper, amorok music manager/player, bt downloader, etc...
Lets face it, they are all in ubuntu repo that can be accessed through start menu with no need for a single terminal line.
Yes, I would be cool if you had an option "Remind me later" so it doesn't bug you for a few days.
The funny thing is the Safari update on Windoze doesn't ask for a reboot!
Actually, it does but it's for the QT update (which makes sense)
The funny thing is the Safari update on Windoze doesn't ask for a reboot!
really? my impression is that when safari 3 for windows beta rolled out, it indeed asked for reboot... maybe it changed, idk.
At least they now have a separate section that specifies Safari as new software... (It may have already been there.)
its still from software "updater", its still checked by default, masses still "clicking ok" all along.
reduce deception from 90% to 85%, IMHO, is still dishonest. But I really don't except apple to be honest anyway. I just hope all users would educate themselves enough. Not only in this case, but also in day-2-day usage.
It wasn't like that before. I just checked my machine that I install iTunes on this afternoon and it presented me with an Update to Apple Software Update, ran the update and then I was presented with the new style update including the Safari option so they have pulled it from the update and moved it to a new section. Although it is still checked by default.
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Apple uses WebKit for a lot more than just Safari, so it may be that they make us reboot to release those other hooks. I suspect that low-level patches to Explorer require a Windows reboot.The funny thing is the Safari update on Windoze doesn't ask for a reboot!
But since Safari on Windows is just an app with no outside hooks... no reboot.
Universal Binaries have both Intel and PC versions... Update code may be more complex then just an install Folder Copy) Possible update to the OS X code base (Web kit) which is used for other sections as well. There are lot of reasons why the update can be bigger then firefox. As well firefox doesn't have the same features as Safari. Also firefox developers are focused on making a small binary vs. Apple who focus on Interface and time out. Sacrificing binary size. (at $0.50 a gig who cares)
so does firefox
so complex that mozilla can make it and apple can't? (i still think its they dont "care")
Highly unlikely, its a 0.0.1 update, patches 4 security holes, it askes 22MB (universal/2) on windows version too, last time I checked, there is no OSX code base in windows
same !=more, most people would agree firefox has more features, and with totally native nature of safari, it should take even less space
I never seen firefox focused on making small binary.
Does 3.1.1 change any interface and time out (what is it?) compare to 3.1? I don't think so.
I don't think you are making valid argument here.
Remember its the same behavior as iTunes, every 0.0.1 update of iTunes is packaged with a 45MB download.
Which goes totally against your views on browser-built-in anti-phishing technology, doesn't it? Have you changed your views on this?
no, i have not, and there is nothing against my previous posts.
my world isn't black and white, I hope users can be educated, doesn't mean I think they current are (no offense to anybody here
).Just to add, there is something even if you educate yourself enough, you still can fall into it, many phishing websites are among them. Lot of creative ppl out there trying to get you.
Apple's trick, good to say, is quite low level, ppl can educate themselves relative easily and escape the trap.
I have different judgment on different level of tricks, Im not expecting users to do things out of their reach.
Great little patch so far. It feels a bit faster and a couple websites I rely on that weren't compatible with Safari now are. Looks like I can put Firefox back on the shelf again.
Im so confident right now, I don't really care what some individual do anymoreShh. Clevin might hear you.
did you not see I haven't been arguing for a long time? Yep, THAT confident