Apple Releases Second OS X 10.11.2 El Capitan Beta to Public Beta Testers

[CancelThat]

Windows and older Macs have NO issues accessing SMB shares. This problem has been present in the last 4 versions of OS X and Apple has done little to nothing to address it. Go search their user forums or Google it. There is no shortage of people complaining about it.

And yes, egregiously broken. An older Mac or Windows client can list a directory on an SMB share containing 400+ files in a matter of 2-3 seconds. El Capitan (and Yosemite and Mavericks...) take upward of 3 minutes to list that same directory. File copying takes twice as long.

That is the very definition of egregiously broken.

And once again, I've updated to this new beta and all those problems are still there.

It's an issue with how OS X deals with SMB shares and DS_Store files. Because OS X writes a DS_Store at ever level of the folder tree on local and mounted drives and folders, it can seriously slow down folder population in Finder on those SMB mounted drives. So turn off DS_Store file creation on network mounts. In Terminal, enter:

defaults write com.apple.desktopservices DSDontWriteNetworkStores true

That will definitely speed things up considerably, near instant folder population in Finder. OS X also doesn't index mounted drives by default, so if you and your users want to search mounted drives just type in Terminal:

mdutil /Volumes/<folder name> -i on

To turn it off:

mdutil /Volumes/<folder name> -i off

It takes a long time to index mounted drives typically. To see the progress, Type in something into Spotlight and there'll be a progress bar for the index progress.

That should definitely speed up everything on network mounts!

I should caveat that not writing a DS_Store file makes it so Finder will not remember your chosen view for that folder/drive. Meaning if you like column view on your mounted folders, you have to select the column view each time. Not a huge deal, but just how Apple made it. Not having those DS_Store files writing is sooo much better though. I also highly recommend deleting the ones that already exist on your SMB share. They're hidden files so you have to turn on view hidden files.

Also make sure your SMB share is using the highest available SMB version. Yosemite and El Capitan use SMB 3.

 

[star-affinity]

It could be an issue with Windows. It's specific to SMB shares hosted on Windows 2008 and 2012 servers.

However, someone at Apple admitted to me it was a problem with OS X.

I called Apple support when we were on Yosemite and was escalated to their engineering group, one of whom did a remote session into the machine to witness it for himself. Once he saw it, he admitted that it's a known issue with OS X and then hinted it was going to be fixed in El Capitan.

So far, that hasn't materialized.

Maybe it's worth testing this: http://www.acronis.com/en-us/mobility/mac-windows-compatibility/

We've too been having some issues using a Windows 2008 server at work, and I remember finding that. Never got to actually try it, though.

 

[Erdbeertorte]

I’m NOT a developer but a long-term committed user and have just upgraded my late 2009 iMac with a top-of-the-range 27inch iMac, using, obviously, El Cap.

Did you install this beta and/or the one before and recognised any problems with not working USB ports, especially that only one port is working with external drives and very slow speed?

 

[/dev/toaster]

More and more I am finding stuff broken, they really screwed up this build. SMB shares don't work, AirDrop doesn't work, USB external drives don't work, VMs are running slow as crap and the whole system is just damn slow now.

(Only reason I updated was trying to fix another issue with the previous version)

 

[rtjstevens]

Did you install this beta and/or the one before and recognised any problems with not working USB ports, especially that only one port is working with external drives and very slow speed?

No, I'm not developer so no betas were downloaded. At present I can't detect any issues with external USB drives (and I have four attached - mostly Seagate ones and USB3s)
Bonky

 

[mistafro]

Here come the nut jobs again... working flawless for me and FAST!

 

[wizard]

Will safari be snappier? Seriously, Safari in El Capitan 10.11.1 run so slow.

You have to be kidding right? Everything about El Capitan is snappy for me. The latest beta just enhances it a bit more.

 

[DCJ001]

Seconds Betas and fixes all around... but still no release date for iPad Pro!

November 11.

 

[joueboy]

Everytime I see a news like this I'm always tempted to install the public beta profile on my iPhone and iMac. Beta has been good to me ever since and mostly the bugs I have are minors. I guess I just wait patiently and enjoy the moment.

 

[wizard]

strange I'm not having those issues. at least no issues with USB drives nor VM's In fact this rev is relatively smooth.

More and more I am finding stuff broken, they really screwed up this build. SMB shares don't work, AirDrop doesn't work, USB external drives don't work, VMs are running slow as crap and the whole system is just damn slow now.

(Only reason I updated was trying to fix another issue with the previous version)

 

[DEMinSoCAL]

Windows and older Macs have NO issues accessing SMB shares. This problem has been present in the last 4 versions of OS X and Apple has done little to nothing to address it. Go search their user forums or Google it. There is no shortage of people complaining about it.

And yes, egregiously broken. An older Mac or Windows client can list a directory on an SMB share containing 400+ files in a matter of 2-3 seconds. El Capitan (and Yosemite and Mavericks...) take upward of 3 minutes to list that same directory. File copying takes twice as long.

That is the very definition of egregiously broken.

And once again, I've updated to this new beta and all those problems are still there.

I'm with you buddy. I manage a mixed environment and a couple years ago removed an aging Mac Pro server with a Windows server and the Mac clients struggle with sluggish file/folder browsing and copy times when working on the Windows server. Fortunately, they mostly work on their own (mac mini) server so over afp things are better.

But, it probably goes without saying Apple could give a rats butt about servers and office environments since dumping their server and networking business. I would not hold out for any real improvements in the area. They're busy tinkering with watches, home automation and TV (and building spaceship shaped "campuses"). No time for real business.

 

[naeS1Sean]

My Safari runs super quick. Try a couple clean installs...

It runs snappy you mean...

 

[Even Longer]

The most disturbing thing: there are no new/updated emojis.
I can't believe, Apple has pulled its resources from such groundbreaking and highly important topic...

 

[lkrupp]

and the bluetooth fix?

What bluetooth fix? You assume everybody has your “issue” and therefore know exactly what you are talking about? I don’t have a bluetooth issue. Why do you? What did you do to screw up your system and blame it on some bug nobody else has?

 

[inkswamp]

It's an issue with how OS X deals with SMB shares and DS_Store files. Because OS X writes a DS_Store at ever level of the folder tree on local and mounted drives and folders, it can seriously slow down folder population in Finder on those SMB mounted drives. So turn off DS_Store file creation on network mounts. In Terminal, enter:

defaults write com.apple.desktopservices DSDontWriteNetworkStores true

That will definitely speed things up considerably, near instant folder population in Finder. OS X also doesn't index mounted drives by default, so if you and your users want to search mounted drives just type in Terminal:

mdutil /Volumes/<folder name> -i on

To turn it off:

mdutil /Volumes/<folder name> -i off

It takes a long time to index mounted drives typically. To see the progress, Type in something into Spotlight and there'll be a progress bar for the index progress.

That should definitely speed up everything on network mounts!

I should caveat that not writing a DS_Store file makes it so Finder will not remember your chosen view for that folder/drive. Meaning if you like column view on your mounted folders, you have to select the column view each time. Not a huge deal, but just how Apple made it. Not having those DS_Store files writing is sooo much better though. I also highly recommend deleting the ones that already exist on your SMB share. They're hidden files so you have to turn on view hidden files.

Also make sure your SMB share is using the highest available SMB version. Yosemite and El Capitan use SMB 3.

I've searched so many forums for fixes and tried all of them and none have worked. Never heard of this one though. Thank you so much for taking the time to write this up. Hopefully this improves the situation.

 

[SlipperySlop]

Error

 

[BaltimoreMediaBlog]

I've done several El Capitan installations and it still always corrupts my MAIL database. The latest installation was apparently fixable, but still testing. In previous attempts, my Email account names and servers were all corrupted, couldn't send/receive email at all on most accounts, but it looks like Apple has mostly solved that problem. Still had to import my mail a couple times which should not be necessary. Apparently I have more email saved and more accounts than the average user, but you would think Apple would account for businesses and Hillary Clinton having multiple accounts right?

In previous installs, El Capitan also made my Apple ID unusable, unable to log into iTunes, connect to iPhone, download pictures from the phone, you name it. That problem appears to be fixed.

The original installer program was extremely buggy. Now its just SLOOOOOOW.

Overall the latest BETA works pretty good, but keep in mind it took me over 5 hours to do the installation! That's worse than Windows 95 & Vista put together and that's on a Mac Pro! HAHA!

What bluetooth fix? You assume everybody has your “issue” and therefore know exactly what you are talking about? I don’t have a bluetooth issue. Why do you? What did you do to screw up your system and blame it on some bug nobody else has?

I have not tested the Bluetooth issue yet with El Capitan, but many had it with Yosemite and it was never fixed.

 

[jasnw]

There are two camps of folks posting on the OS X release topics these days: (1) those who have a problem and act as though everyone else must have the same problem or else they're lying, and (2) those who don't have a problem and assume all those who do are beandip-for-brains idiots. Would people in both camps please put a sock in it so those who have found problems can identify them and others can make suggestions about fixes without being harassed?

Thanks from the rest of us.

 

[JGRE]

Windows and older Macs have NO issues accessing SMB shares. This problem has been present in the last 4 versions of OS X and Apple has done little to nothing to address it. Go search their user forums or Google it. There is no shortage of people complaining about it.

And yes, egregiously broken. An older Mac or Windows client can list a directory on an SMB share containing 400+ files in a matter of 2-3 seconds. El Capitan (and Yosemite and Mavericks...) take upward of 3 minutes to list that same directory. File copying takes twice as long.

That is the very definition of egregiously broken.

And once again, I've updated to this new beta and all those problems are still there.

So, if I understand you correctly, the issue is restricted to SMB shares access only and OSX works fine for the rest? Hardly egregiously broken software to my opinion.

MACRUMORS

Should this really be front page news? We're getting updates on OS X and iOS Betas almost every other day it seems. Wouldn't it be better to have it on the Mac/iOS Blogs? Or are you just short on interesting content?

You are here fully voluntarily....., you don't need to read or respond to these treats. I would complain more about the fact that these 'newsflashes' contain little to no news value as nobody seems to know what has actually changed.

 

[BaltimoreMediaBlog]

There are two camps of folks posting on the OS X release topics these days: (1) those who have a problem and act as though everyone else must have the same problem or else they're lying, and (2) those who don't have a problem and assume all those who do are beandip-for-brains idiots. Would people in both camps please put a sock in it so those who have found problems can identify them and others can make suggestions about fixes without being harassed?

Thanks from the rest of us.

You don't speak of me. All my complaints are well documented and most were fixed in Yosemite eventually, but not without a LOT of griping and hounding of Apple. Here's one example. Most people don't have multiple displays but I do. Yosemite could never figure out and set which one to boot to. Apple denied the problem, didn't believe me, wanted more proof that the Display Preferences panel was not performing correctly. There was no way to do that without visual pics, but that really doesn't prove anything.

But lo and behold, the problem was fixed in El Capitan anyway, so Apple obviously knew they had made a mistake since this didn't happen in Mavericks.

I never had the WIFI issues much, but definitely had the Bluetooth issues. I did every snapshot known to mankind to prove it to Apple but once again they ignored it for a very long time.

The ultimate problem here is that Apple has certified Yosemite & El Capitan for machines as old as 2008-09, but they never really tested many of the older systems, so those people were last in line for bug fixes. If you have a new Mac, you won't have a lot of these problems, but the install is still SLOOOOOOOOOW even on a Mac Pro!

 

[JGRE]

I'm with you buddy. I manage a mixed environment and a couple years ago removed an aging Mac Pro server with a Windows server and the Mac clients struggle with sluggish file/folder browsing and copy times when working on the Windows server. Fortunately, they mostly work on their own (mac mini) server so over afp things are better.

But, it probably goes without saying Apple could give a rats butt about servers and office environments since dumping their server and networking business. I would not hold out for any real improvements in the area. They're busy tinkering with watches, home automation and TV (and building spaceship shaped "campuses"). No time for real business.

Don't forget the iCar hahaha.....

I've done several El Capitan installations and it still always corrupts my MAIL database. The latest installation was apparently fixable, but still testing. In previous attempts, my Email account names and servers were all corrupted, couldn't send/receive email at all on most accounts, but it looks like Apple has mostly solved that problem. Still had to import my mail a couple times which should not be necessary. Apparently I have more email saved and more accounts than the average user, but you would think Apple would account for businesses and Hillary Clinton having multiple accounts right?

In previous installs, El Capitan also made my Apple ID unusable, unable to log into iTunes, connect to iPhone, download pictures from the phone, you name it. That problem appears to be fixed.

The original installer program was extremely buggy. Now its just SLOOOOOOW.

Overall the latest BETA works pretty good, but keep in mind it took me over 5 hours to do the installation! That's worse than Windows 95 & Vista put together and that's on a Mac Pro! HAHA!

One thing to keep in mind, everytime you install an update, OSX will start re-indexing is files. During this period you Mac seems near dead; wait for half an hour an you will be notice that it is (I hate the word) snappier.

 

[jasnw]

The ultimate problem here is that Apple has certified Yosemite & El Capitan for machines as old as 2008-09, but they never really tested many of the older systems, so those people were last in line for bug fixes. If you have a new Mac, you won't have a lot of these problems, but the install is still SLOOOOOOOOOW even on a Mac Pro!

I have begun to suspect this as an underlying cause as well. I was using a fairly new MBA as my testbed for El Capitan and all was fine on that machine. I then installed El Capitan 10.11.1 (clean install over Mavericks) on an older iMac and ran into so many problems I fell back to Mavericks. Given the rapid rate of OS updates it would not be surprising if the QA gang has only enough time to test on the latest hardware.

 

[/dev/toaster]

strange I'm not having those issues. at least no issues with USB drives nor VM's In fact this rev is relatively smooth.

I have it running on a headless Mac Mini that is my build server. I have 4 external drives that I store artifacts and scratch data on, only 1 of them is connected.

One of them uses a thunderbolt to USB 3 connector, and that is also not working.

 

[Orisons]

Does it fix FaceTime?

 

[Pirate Patrick]

Interesting, my display connected over thunderbolt no longer works...

Same here! Thought it was an issue with the new Henge Vertical Dock. Not the case. Beta.