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Apple Releases Second OS X Yosemite Golden Master Candidate to Developers, Public Beta 5
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The situation really wasn't too different when OS X was on a multi-year release cycle. I remember a lot people having issues with Mac OS X Tiger at first per example. It wasn't the release with the most 10.x.x updates in OS X history without reason.
Exactly, the problem is that people compare the .0 version of the new OS against the .8 or .11 version of older ones. Of course any version that has had a number of updates is going to have more bugs worked out than any version that's on the very first one point oh.
Given that more people own iPhones than Macs it's basically a syllogism.
To answer my previous question that all the turnip heads ignored, the temperature with the new public beta seems to hover around 45c which is amazing and a huge improvement over Mavericks. I'm quite pleased.
Haven't been able to test games or temp under stress (such as rendering etc) because my Yosemite partition is rather small compared to my Mavericks main OS.
Its just not fluid, things take too long even with a really specced machine.
The 8.0.1 debacle was only the icing on the cake. 8.0.0 was way buggy out of the gate as well.
Absolutely not. The MacBook Pro product line has always been on a strict 8-10 month release cycle, whether there are new chips from Intel or not. It has been that way since they were introduced from the ashes of the PowerBook G4 in 2006. July 2014 was the last update. It is extremely safe to assume that they won't be updated until March at the earliest and May at the latest, Broadwell or not.
You're wrong. See above.
Tiger for Intel was substantially better than Tiger for PowerPC in my experience. But that's because the only PowerPC hardware Tiger ran silky smoothly on were things with the PowerPC G5 in tow (which was limited to the PowerMac G5 and the iMac G5). OS X became way too bloated for PowerPC by that point.
10.6.8 - fastest, most stable, most reliable OS Apple has released. Snow leopard is the mac version of Windows 7.
If anything, Snow Leopard was the Windows XP of the OS X world. Both because it added stability, reliability and smoothness that wasn't present in its predecessor OS releases as well as because it was so beloved compared to its immediate successor (which, incidentally, also had more than its fair share of issues) that most people voluntarily didn't upgrade past it. I'd then argue that Mountain Lion, which resolved a ton of what made Lion so annoying, was the Windows 7 release.
While I am not huge on Mavericks by comparison to Mountain Lion...calling it a Windows 8(.0) is a bit of a stretch; though I've remained on Mountain Lion on my primary Mac and probably will continue to do so through Yosemite (all my other Macs will likely be given clean installs of Yosemite on day 1). That said, it's obvious that Mavericks does set up a lot of under-the-hood changes (support for Swift code only being one of them) that set the stage for Yosemite.
All that being said, much like my love of the look of Windows 7 compared to Windows 8/8.1, I wish that Yosemite didn't have to look so ugly on non-retina displays (which still make up a vast majority of the Macs that will be running it out of the gate).
10.8 was actually very solid. Much much moreso than 10.7 and 10.9 and comparably to 10.6. Going from my Mavericks machines to my Mountain Lion machine marks an immediately noticeable difference and it really shouldn't. I'm hoping that 10.10 is also solid...so far, it looks like it is an improvement over 10.9, but not quite as good as 10.6 and 10.8 were. I'm hoping 10.11 irons out whatever 10.10 does not
Are you referring to Yosemite or is this your experience with Mavericks as well?
That's a silly thing to do. All .0 release OS updates are glitchy. The .0.1 release being recalled was new for Apple, but already 8.0.2 is an improvement and I'd imagine that 8.1 will have it ready for prime time by the time it's released. Saying you'll never update just because one update went bad is silly. If you want to wait and see what issues come out or if you want to wait for 10.10.1 to be the version you download from the Mac App Store, that's sensible. But to not update at all just because they made a mistake only hurts you in the end.
10.9 has always been rough around the edges compared to 10.8. 10.9.5 doesn't change that.
Eh...10.8 was fine, as was 10.6 and every .0 release I've used personally before that. I used to be a day 1 adopter and I never got burned...they just stopped coming out on disc, so I stopped pre-ordering it...that and I really didn't like 10.7 (or 10.9). But I imagine I'll be doing clean installs on my Mavericks machines; my primary machine is sticking with Mountain Lion.
So does 10.8.5, which isn't at Windows XP status in the way that 10.6.8 is.
10.9 is worse than 10.8, and it breaks a lot of things. While I won't go so far as to say that the last good version of OS X was 10.6.8, there is such a thing as crappy releases, case in point: Lion and Mavericks. Yosemite is STILL rough around the edges. With some patching and careful development on Apple's part, it has the potential to be a good release.
Sure would be nice for all of us 2011 iMac users.. normally I would complain less except that the entire rest of the line that year DOES support this...it is still a fantastic machine, the last all-in-one for those of us who actively utilize the Superdrive for different things....sigh
I've not experienced the roughness that is mentioned throughout this thread, but, beta 5 has been more stable than any of the Mavericks updates I've used since February of this year. No crashes or unexpected freezes. Mavericks crashed once a day since then. Most times it would take six or seven restarts to get back to normal. I hope the release of 10.10 on Octber 16th will be as stable!
Couldn't agree more. The 15 inch is becoming more and more bulky to carry around though (especially when sat next to guys with the 13 inch rMBPs), but it's still a great machine.
Anyone else finding that their sound is muted when they start up?
Going in to System Preferences shows that the Mute box is ticked every time.
I've reported it to Apple.
Going in to System Preferences shows that the Mute box is ticked every time.
I've reported it to Apple.
In some environments, it's normal for a single update to require two restarts the second of which is automated shortly after the first.
A sequence of two restarts may give an impression of double-locking.
Which temperature? While my cpu cores are registering slightly lower, my gpu (6770m) is substantially hotter under yosemite (could just be my setup..).
Which leads me onto something that may be a complete coincidence. A few months ago I reflowed the gpu due to the ol' radeongate issue on my 2011 mbp. Within an hour of playing with the latest gm candidate the mbp started to crash with graphics glitches very often (within 5 minutes of each other). I went back to mavericks which seemed okay. Switched back to yosemite and the crashes persisted. Switched back to mavericks was okay-ish. Looked very much like the ol' reflow was coming to the end of its usefulness.
Did this for a little while until both mavericks and yosemite were crashing like mofo's, then the problem just got worse and now the mbp is for all intents and purposes is dead again (will just get a new gpu/reball now).
But before the issues started I did notice first the gpu temps being higher on yosemite, then both cpu and gpu being higher. This could just be my setup that was about to fail, but it leads me to wonder... Is this just a one off thing, or will radeongate issues pop up even more so with yosemite. I guess we'll know in due course.
I am just wondering, is there anyone out there that has run the dev previews of yosemite on a mid 2010 Mac Pro? How does it feel compared to ML & MAVS? I'm still on ML and it runs ok, still notice a few things in ML that was never addressed but nothing that stops me from working. The main issue I fear is GUI lag & what concerns me most of all is how well yosemite is gonna run on older Mac's. Anyone care to share?
That sucks! I had an early 2011 15" which I was very happy with but it developed some strange problems that Apple couldn't fix so they gave me a mid 2012 for free; reading about Radeongate, I can't tell you how relieved I am because these aren't cheap machines.
To answer your question, I had the internal GPU running, Intel 4000, and the temperature (as given to me by iStat menus) was really quite low. It gives the highest temp at any one time and it was always 45 or so, except if Chromium loaded a webpage where it'd briefly spike to 49/50 then go back to 45.
I haven't been able to test games, but Kepler GPUs run cooler than Radeons, I base this on having owned an early 2011 and mid 2012 MBP.
Works nice on my laptop. But when Apple is going to wake up? Why still there is no possibility to turn off a screen through the display setting?
How comes such a minor ,easy feature to implement is still absent?
Such small things are driving people mad .
I still experience glitchy UI but I think it is going to be resolved .
Anything else seems to be fine , maybe the caching files in memory still bothers me a little ,it seems to fill the memory every minute but why isn't there a normal mechanism which cleans unnecessary cache after some time?
Even when I close some apps , only "real memory" is being freed as should be but still the cached files in memory remains almost the same size. I have to use Purge cmd.
How comes such a minor ,easy feature to implement is still absent?
Such small things are driving people mad .
I still experience glitchy UI but I think it is going to be resolved .
Anything else seems to be fine , maybe the caching files in memory still bothers me a little ,it seems to fill the memory every minute but why isn't there a normal mechanism which cleans unnecessary cache after some time?
Even when I close some apps , only "real memory" is being freed as should be but still the cached files in memory remains almost the same size. I have to use Purge cmd.
Can anyone tell me how to upgrade to PB5?
I'm an idiot and clicked the "Do not get pre-release updates in the AppStore syspref" and now I can't get PB5.
I don't really want to reinstall.
I'm an idiot and clicked the "Do not get pre-release updates in the AppStore syspref" and now I can't get PB5.
I don't really want to reinstall.
Can anyone tell me how to upgrade to PB5?
I'm an idiot and clicked the "Do not get pre-release updates in the AppStore syspref" and now I can't get PB5.
I don't really want to reinstall.
You go to System Settings-> App Store
and there you will see an option to turn on (show pre-release updates) :
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Waiting For Our Lost OS X...
I had to stop trying... to use Yosemite beta version 5, because the fiasco with iOS 8 is being echoed in Yosemite 10.10. Enough of the incompetent delusional prima donna's. That are obviously bent on destroying OS X. The core components of the OS are still full of bugs and degradation. This is not an upgrade or improvement. And, in reference to the much discussed aesthetics, which I do not like, but I was willing to tolerate, if the OS form and function would be improved. But now I just wonder, will it ever be usable, much less improved. Back to Mavericks and over looking it's inherit bugs, at least it's usable. Apples actions and behavior are unfathomable.
I had to stop trying... to use Yosemite beta version 5, because the fiasco with iOS 8 is being echoed in Yosemite 10.10. Enough of the incompetent delusional prima donna's. That are obviously bent on destroying OS X. The core components of the OS are still full of bugs and degradation. This is not an upgrade or improvement. And, in reference to the much discussed aesthetics, which I do not like, but I was willing to tolerate, if the OS form and function would be improved. But now I just wonder, will it ever be usable, much less improved. Back to Mavericks and over looking it's inherit bugs, at least it's usable. Apples actions and behavior are unfathomable.
That does not show up anymore after selecting the "Do not get pre-release updates" option
It happens every time I open my computer, not just on restarts. So, unless it restarts every time I shut the computer, I don't think this is the problem.