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Apple Releases Security Update 2007-004
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as a note, all Intel Macs reboot twice when doing security updates and what not
Thank you so much for that, was worried.
I'm fairly new to the Mac, but this repair permissions stuff sounds like Windows type of ridiculousness. My understanding is that it isn't really needed on modern Macs. I guess it doesn't hurt anything to run it, but do you really think it is fixing anything that was broken? I never run it on my system... if something isn't broken I don't mess with it.
You must be new here. A lot of mac users think that "repairing permissions" (which resets the permissions of a lot of system utilities they never use to the permissions they were given at Apple) makes their computer run better or fixes problems. Very rarely is this the case, but then again, people also think wearing magnetic bracelets makes them healthy.
I wonder where the thought came to be that Repairing Disk Permissions was a cure all panacea. I am probably one of the few that actually verifies permissions before needlessly going off to "repair" them.
~desu
Well, it's been shown already that repairing permissions may avoid many problems...most people having issues after updates DON'T repair permissions before or after...so this must be, AT THE VERY LEAST, harmless.
By the way, this update was FLAWLESS (as usual for Apple)...30 seconds to download and install, 1 minute to reboot, permissions repaired before and after...simply PERFECT!
Did I do something bad?
Hey guys. I'm new to Macs, (three weeks and counting). When I installed the update on my Mac Pro, it went abouth three minutes on the grey screen, then rebooted. Then it hung on the grey screen for about thirty minutes until I decided to just reboot it myself. Should I have not done this? Everything seems to be working fine. Should I try doing the update again, or just leave well enough alone?
Hey guys. I'm new to Macs, (three weeks and counting). When I installed the update on my Mac Pro, it went abouth three minutes on the grey screen, then rebooted. Then it hung on the grey screen for about thirty minutes until I decided to just reboot it myself. Should I have not done this? Everything seems to be working fine. Should I try doing the update again, or just leave well enough alone?
Updates get installed with administrator privileges they will not be affected by permission issues. They will write their own permission over it.
At lot of it is myth based on rumor based on misunderstanding...
That sounds like strange behavior to me.
You may want to consider downloading the update from Apple and running it again just to make sure it fully succeeded.
Interesting PPC vs Intel
I wonder if anyone could enlighten us as to the reason for the difference here. I have noticed on some Windows updates that this is also the case. Does the PPC chipset interact with the OS differently than Intel? I know that there is a Hardware Abstraction Layer in Windows that separates much of the OS from the hardware, and I'm assuming that something similar is going on with the Intel version of the MacOS.
I also know that files may be in use when a system update is applied, so they must be copied in during startup after a rudimentary kernel is loaded up. If it is a large update, this can obviously take some time. On Intel machines, has this kernel also had to be updated, thereby requiring the second reboot?
And just for the record, I installed the update fine on both my iMac G5 and my PowerBook G4, without touching permissions. (As someone else mentioned, I thought they had fixed that problem/requirement, so I don't do it anymore) Thanks to FiOS, it downloaded nice and FAST.
I wonder if anyone could enlighten us as to the reason for the difference here. I have noticed on some Windows updates that this is also the case. Does the PPC chipset interact with the OS differently than Intel? I know that there is a Hardware Abstraction Layer in Windows that separates much of the OS from the hardware, and I'm assuming that something similar is going on with the Intel version of the MacOS.
I also know that files may be in use when a system update is applied, so they must be copied in during startup after a rudimentary kernel is loaded up. If it is a large update, this can obviously take some time. On Intel machines, has this kernel also had to be updated, thereby requiring the second reboot?
And just for the record, I installed the update fine on both my iMac G5 and my PowerBook G4, without touching permissions. (As someone else mentioned, I thought they had fixed that problem/requirement, so I don't do it anymore) Thanks to FiOS, it downloaded nice and FAST.
PPC machines boot radically differently than Intel machines. PPC uses Open Firmware, whereas Intel uses EFI. All machines have some form of HAL, it allows the OS to interact with the hardware. Basically the boot-up process goes:
Power --> POST --> OpenFirmware/EFI --> Bootstrapper & HAL --> Rest of OS (kernel, then everything else).
The bigger update for Intel hints that there may be more being updated here, and an updated kernel sorta makes sense. It does because of the dual reboot, but it doesnt because I don't think Apple would update the kernel in a security update. Besides the kernel on Intel and PPC is the same, its just compiled differently. Methinks theres some other difference between Mac OS X on PPC and Mac OS X on Intel...what else explains the bigger updates? Or, alternatively, there could just be more broken with Intel Macs and Apple haven't had the time to iron out the bugs yet
. However, Mac OS X for PPC and Mac OS X for Intel were developed concurrently, so theres some missing piece of the puzzle here.
My macbook now weeps openly after rebooting. Thanks 
Anyway, so far so good. I'm curious why the intel update was significantly larger myself.
Anyway, so far so good. I'm curious why the intel update was significantly larger myself.
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Any solutions that works like how Vienna handles tabs. Doesn't bother the user just keeps them. I tried ForgetMeNot but got very annoyed with it asking me everytime i closed Safari.
Do not run this update if you are running 10.3.
Many people including me are having serious Airport connectivity problems afterward that do not seem to have a remedy.
Many posts already on apples discussions about this already.
Too bad my first post has to be a bad one.....
Many people including me are having serious Airport connectivity problems afterward that do not seem to have a remedy.
Many posts already on apples discussions about this already.
Too bad my first post has to be a bad one.....
Security Update 2007-004 Problems
All is not right in Security Update 2007-004 land. My Panther 800mz G3 iBook will connect to the internet on initial boot. However, after wake up from sleep the Airport cannot find local wireless network. Reboot solves issue, but what a pain. Is next fix at least a month away?
All is not right in Security Update 2007-004 land. My Panther 800mz G3 iBook will connect to the internet on initial boot. However, after wake up from sleep the Airport cannot find local wireless network. Reboot solves issue, but what a pain. Is next fix at least a month away?