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Apple Releases Software Installer Update 1.0 for Mac OS X 10.6.8
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It has nothing to do with the money. After using Lion since release, I finally swore at it for the final time and reverted both our machines back to SL.
It is slow, buggy, unresponsive and so many of the applications - that Apple supply - are riddled with bugs.
The main ones I came across almost every day were:
1, Mail would not quit, even a force quit did not close it.
2, Safari updates often broke things.
3, Expose was just a no go area.
4, iTunes wouldn't open.
5, Since the lat "bug fix' for Time Machine the thing has been useless. It'll back up, but you couldn't get into it to see what it had backed up.
Adobe's software was far more reliable, which is not something I would say very often.
Hopefully Mountain Lion, will do to Leopard what Snow Leopard did. Make it a finished polished OS.
I didn't realise how slow Lion is until I reverted back, the amount of time saved is only 10 or so minutes or certain tasks, but they soon add up.
The biggest damn bug bear with it though, is they harped on about the introduction of delta updates - to make updates quicker and smaller - and no longer needing restarts. The 'delta updates' haven't materialised and we still need to restart with some updates. If anything the updates to Lion have become even larger.
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I know what you mean. I have a SL drive that I slip into the MP every couple of weeks or so to update email, software and data. Aperture 3 accesses data on the same drive as the OS, Photoshop CS5 reads data from another internal HD.
Both applications feel considerably more responsive on SL, way less beachballing. My impression is that Lion is falling all over itself trying to sandbox or check versions or look for lock files or lord knows whatever else that makes it so bloody slow.
Just because you have not had any issues, doesnt mean nobody else does.
Power users will always have more issues than those who only use safari and iphoto to send gramma and grandpa pictures of their cat.
As a graphic designer and photographer running the entire adobe creative suite along with a few web development tools for mysql, php, etc. Lion fails miserably as an operating system for the professional such as myself and others.
Its probably all the bloat theyve added. Mission Control is a huge mess that needs heavy optimization (and the ability to show all applications and windows all at once).
In SL, I disabled dashboard (because I never use it). Spaces I turned off (because I never use it). The only thing that is useful (actually extremely useful) is Expose with hot corners (top right to show all windows and apps, bottom right to show all windows in one app, bottom left to show desktop).
On my Mac Pro, RAM usage with SL was down to about 500mb on a cold boot. A far cry from how much RAM Lion sucks up.
Installer-ception
LOL...funny. I would have gone with "Metastaller" though....get it?
Mail was the biggest problem that I ran into when I upgraded back to Snow Leopard, but it's still a really easy thing to do. While on Lion, create a new folder on your desktop, call it something like "Mail Archive," open Mail.app, select all of your mail folders on the left hand column, right click (or Control-click) and select "Archive Mailbox" and navigate to the "Mail Archive" folder and let it rip. It will create a file for each mailbox folder. Move that folder to your Snow Leopard install, open Mail and pull down "File+Import Mailboxes." Select "Apple Mail" and navigate to the "Mail Archive" folder, select them all and click "Choose." Hopefully you'll like what you see.
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Thanks for the info. I didn't know this at the time, before I wiped Lion off the drive. Now I don't have access to Lion to do this. Oh well. I will be going back to Lion in a few months when my current projects are finished and I can start everything fresh again, save my Mail archive at that point.
also, software update does not show up in a spotlight search. Should it? I can see the ones that are in my backup folder, but not the one from my system/library/coreservices folder.
just adding my voice with the others who ask apple to don't abandon SL.
I don't want to upgrade to Lion because I run a low end macbook 6.1 and I don't want to lose in performance for no reason, but apple have kept me off all the new cool things that require Lion.
I really don't see other reason than money, to keep me out from iCloud, or iBook author etc.
And again doesn't make sense, because I will use apple's ecosystem through iTunes and generate money for apple on way or another.
Now apple is not making any money out of me since they left me out of the party.
I really don't get it.
I don't want to upgrade to Lion because I run a low end macbook 6.1 and I don't want to lose in performance for no reason, but apple have kept me off all the new cool things that require Lion.
I really don't see other reason than money, to keep me out from iCloud, or iBook author etc.
And again doesn't make sense, because I will use apple's ecosystem through iTunes and generate money for apple on way or another.
Now apple is not making any money out of me since they left me out of the party.
I really don't get it.
Adding to the release of "Software Installer Update v1.0 for 10.6.8"
The "automatic" software update servers seem to have replaced/changed/updated almost every installer that could apply to 10.6.8 (including iLife apps, 10.6.8 combo update, and others).
My private software update mirror downloaded about 25GB of updates overnight that already existed at older URLs.
I'm assuming it has something to do with the "Software Installer Update" but I don't know what as yet.
I also don't know if the downloadable .dmg installers have also been updated.
EDIT: The "automatic" Software Updates seem unchanged except for the header of the .pkg file (a .xar format) but I'm not sure what this change represents (if any). The payload and scripts seem the same.
The downloadable .dmg updates similarly have changed, (around 15th March 2012) but I suspect again that the payload and scripts are the same.
I can only speak for the random update I selected to compare.
Can somebody verify that an old dmg download (from prior to March 2012) works with the updated installer? I don't have a machine I can throw it at as yet.
The "automatic" software update servers seem to have replaced/changed/updated almost every installer that could apply to 10.6.8 (including iLife apps, 10.6.8 combo update, and others).
My private software update mirror downloaded about 25GB of updates overnight that already existed at older URLs.
I'm assuming it has something to do with the "Software Installer Update" but I don't know what as yet.
I also don't know if the downloadable .dmg installers have also been updated.
EDIT: The "automatic" Software Updates seem unchanged except for the header of the .pkg file (a .xar format) but I'm not sure what this change represents (if any). The payload and scripts seem the same.
The downloadable .dmg updates similarly have changed, (around 15th March 2012) but I suspect again that the payload and scripts are the same.
I can only speak for the random update I selected to compare.
Can somebody verify that an old dmg download (from prior to March 2012) works with the updated installer? I don't have a machine I can throw it at as yet.
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He does not know for a fact as the statistics from Apple and everyone else show the upgrade to Lion was pretty fast and pretty huge. Look at these stats for example (click on Major Version).
For Feral the margin is even more skewed towards Lion and anything pre Snow Leopard is under 5%. The truth is most people run Lion and Lion is gaining just under 1% a week in growth based on most places I can see.
The Lion pickup was quicker than any previous OS in Apple history as evidenced by Apple PR and statistics from software companies. A lot of the reason is that Lion is a download so it is both cheap and easy to upgrade.
I know for games Lion is better than Snow Leopard in some cases a lot better with both performance and stability.
I am not saying some people don't love Snow Leopard and want to stay on it but every Mac OS released (apart from perhaps 10.0 to 10.2) has had a small and vocal community that say the new OS sucks and their older OS is better.
Some OS 9 users said OS X sucked and they would never upgrade
Some Tiger users said Leopard sucked
Some Leopard users said Snow Leopard sucked
I have seen the cycle many times but Snow Leopard/Lion is not anything special in this regard most people upgrade immediately then you get a solid growth curve over the first few updates then the tail slows down to a slow but steady gain in user base.
The remaining Snow users are a mixture of companies where the new OS adds nothing but a support headache (for example our artwork guy was last to upgrade due to issues with CS Suite in Lion), people who dislike a certain OS feature or people with old machines that cannot update or will run too slowly once updated.
Edwin
Basically new apps use and are developed using Lion SDKs having to target Snow Leopard (and have engineers work on Snow Leopard) takes engineers away from Lion and Mountain Lion.
Apple have always been a forward looking company so adding features to a dead OS is not their modus operandi.
I understand your pain but dev companies always have to split their resources, Apple usually go with the "devote resources to the new and current OS only" plan and drop older OS's. It has Pro's and Con's but that is how they always do it for good and bad.
Hate to break it to you but x.x.8 releases are the most likely on Mac OS X
10.0.4
10.1.5
10.2.8
10.3.9
10.4.11
10.5.8
10.6.8
Would be nice to have iCloud in Snow but it is built pretty deeply into the OS so I can see why Apple did not add support as it would likely be a pain. This is unlike the .Mac to MobileMe transition that was mostly a name change so easier to implement.
Edwin
Hate to break it to you but x.x.8 releases are the most likely on Mac OS X
Edwin
whoops.... Fixed.
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Same issue with lion 10.7
I am having trouble installing aperture 3.1 disk version on my lion installation. I was able to correct the problem i had with snow leopard by getting this update that apple put out. But I still cannot install aperture 3.1 on lion 10.7.3 Please help, and apple quit breaking your software.
I am having trouble installing aperture 3.1 disk version on my lion installation. I was able to correct the problem i had with snow leopard by getting this update that apple put out. But I still cannot install aperture 3.1 on lion 10.7.3 Please help, and apple quit breaking your software.
It will be better to start a new thread because you are completely off topic and it is unlikely that anyone will notice your problem here.
I'm not sure why everyone want's iCloud anyway. I do just fine without it. I suppose sharing information across multiple machines could come in handy but I have never liked web based, excuse me, cloud based alternatives. One of the biggest reasons being what many people are experiencing today; changes in and cancelations of services which just causes big headaches. I enjoy having more control.
That Vista can run iCloud but Leopard can't (Vista came out before Leopard) is ridiculous. So much for looking after your own community over your competitor's, Apple
Don't forget iCloud is on XP as well.
I would much rather forget that
But it's not official, and about as much of a hack as iCloud on SL is, from my 2 minute Google search..
At least IMAP is now officially supported..
That's just what the problem is.. people who signed up to MobileMe(/.Mac/iTools) having their service cancelled because Apple decided iCloud was only for Lion.. So, yes, iCloud would be nice, but being able to continue using MobileMe is more important to most people here, methinks.
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Coming from .Mac/MobileMe and on Lion with iCloud, iCloud really is a major downgrade for me. I have this iCloud icon thats now useless to me in Lion. As I have no iPhone or iPad. But back last year when Lion was launched I did not know once you transfer to iCloud your MobileMe icon is rendered useless.
So not only for the past year do I have a useless iCloud control panel in Lion that I can't make any use of, I also have a defunct MobileMe control panel in 10.5.8. Account status: Your MobileMe account has been upgraded to iCloud.
If I knew iCloud was as useless as this I wouldn't have upgraded the account when Lion told me.